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Anybody knows a "proven" method to induce mutual or shared dreams?

Me and a friend think we had a shared dream a day or two before we first met and talked to each other. Now we'd like to conduct an experiment in which we'd try to intentionally induce share dreams.

Hey! My friend's town is at a two-hour drive distance from mine... so I figure it would be an "easy" way to meet her more often!! (just jokin')  

Any hint provided would help....

Thanks much!

Sylvain

Hi all,

The following happened to me about 10 years ago. I would need to know if anyone ever experienced a similar event, and if it can be linked to a kundalini phenomenon I don't know about:

Experience: After some meditation and a bath, a channel sort of opened on top of my head (I did not know about chakras at the time) and a burst of energy came through it. The incredible phenomenon brought me instant access to comprehensive knowledge of everything--that's the best way I could describe it.

It first came as inspiration about why the universe was created (the info was "downloaded" in a self-explainable visual form) and then every bit of information led to "teachings" about related subjects. The flow of the "downloading" accelerated at an astonishing pace (e.g. I took notes on a pad at first to make sure not to lose the information I got, but soon realized not even the best steno typer of all time could keep pace with the exponentially accelerating flow of communication).

In a matter of a couple of minutes--if not seconds--the joy of accessing answers to existential and scientific questions I always dreamed of knowing, was replaced by the frightening realization that if I was to let this strange phenomenon continue and accelerate, my brain would NOT survive the experience. I would lose control and perhaps turn mad or something.

I then tried to focus my thoughts on some mundane, concrete things such as sports or cars, but although it slowd the flow of the "download" it wasn't successful. Then I focused on a friend of mine long enough to find his phone number and, with much difficulty, took the phone and called him. I asked him to talk to me about sports, his job, anything down to earth. He found me a bit weird and initially feared something bad was happening to me, but fortunately he went on to talk for minutes and successfully "slowed me down".

I was still quite disturbed after the "channel" on top of my head was "closed". I felt like my brain had been short circuited. I had trouble concentrating on anything, felt weak and disoriented to the point where I lost myself in a city I had known for all my life. I actually almost felt "besides" myself for days until I recuperated successfully, but slowly. Even memories of childhood events seemed like remote experiences I did not not really live--a very weird feeling in itself.

It took even a few months before I could work again. But as I said I recovered completely and actually became a successful French-writing journalist. So that's the good part... I did not become crazy!!!  

Context:

1) I wasn't doing what you would call systematic energy development exercises at the time. Just a lot of prayers and some meditation and some very successful dream programming exercises where I would get detailed answers to my questions in the form of teachings within my dreams (I mention this because the information gotten from the "download" was delivered in much the same way as in my dreams, and I'm wondering if the dream programming exercises did actually trigger the phenomenon).

2) I wasn't doing drugs (and never did).

3) After some personnal woes (separation with my loved one and financlial difficulties), I woke up one morning -- about a week before the "download" phenomenon happened -- with a paradoxical feeling of well-being. It was as if my solar plexus was a 300-watt light of positive, loving, energy. This went on until "the download". People since have told me I was incredebly charismatic within that phase. I add this in case it could give anyone a clue about what I experienced.


Voilà... this is it. This event left me transformed, was at the same time fascinating, overwhelming, and quite frightening. But I still can't explain it and never truly heard of anybody experiencing it.

Thanks in advance for the clues....

Finding answers is particularly important to me, since I'd now be tempted to work on developing my energy centres but I'm afraid to trigger the same phenomenon again.

Cheers!

Sylvain

Kakkarot: Your quote was what I was thinking about all along my reading of the many replies to this interesting message.

I agree with the one who said that religions CAN put you in a box, and with the other one who said that religions CAN stop your progression.

The thing is, it depends upon how you use the wisdom found in many religions and how deep you go. To me in Christianity, the most important message is the one quoted by Kakkarot... a message paradoxically conflicting with the strict moral codes fundamentalists want you to obey to. True christians are meant to love. Others live in fear.

I strongly believe that all important religions were started by great spiritual masters well in advance of their contemporaries. What remains of their teachings has been to some degree modified by translators, oral traditions, power and committees of men debating. In short, man has always been tempted to make rules and dogma out of those teachings... hence the box.

But if one is serious about his study of religions, I believe you can learn a great deal by searching for the initial teachings. This alone can bring you a long way. After all, many now believe in reincarnation and karma (originally mostly eastern beliefs) but still think of Jesus (western prophet) as one of the wisest men who ever lived and one of the best inspirational examples of what anyone could achieve and create with true faith in his own abilities. You can also learn a great deal about dreams just by reading parts of the Old Testament. One of the earliest accounts of an NDE could easilly be the Damascus experience of Paul. etc etc etc.

So it really depends upon the openness with which you approach religion. Personally they've given me the first tools I needed on my spiritual journey.

Sylvain

Hi Ninthplanet!

Regression seemed to have worked for me because the meaning of the most important archetypes and symbols I saw were unknown from me at the time, except from the temple and the "wise man I met (looked more like a wise man, or a teacher/mentor, than an angel). Someone like Jung would tell you that those archetypes are available through the universal psyche... and I wouldn't have much of a case against him.

It was one of two times I've used a regression technique accompanied by a regression guide. I've also tried the technique on myself. I have to say that the results of the other regession experiences were not so conclusive and I was quite aware of the potential bias.

The technique is fairly simple: it involves deep relaxation techniques and lots of guided vizualization (images not suggested by the guide, though, that's critical). Often, if you feel some energy blockage while relaxing, the guide will aks you to vizualize the source of the discomfort and the regression will start from there. Sometimes an OBE will be simulated and vizualized through other techniques and the regression will start from there. Etc.

Regression is often used to cure psycho-somatic diseases by going at the source of the disease--which makes you travel to a tough childhood experience you had forgotten about, or even to difficult past live experiences, often tragic deaths.

It has often often verified that regression subjects cure their psycho-somatic diseased by buying in fully into the regression process. But obviously, it doesn't mean that you actually have access to past live experiences that way. As you said, lots of subjective bias can be included into the experience.

If you want to know more, try to find a Patrick Drouot book. He's a credible source for the technique. He's also collaborated with Monroe.

As far as my own mission is concerned: too intimate to share. The only thing I can say is that it wasn't like searching through a book for information. I opened the book and a hollographic image appeared. It told me what had to achieved through my "mission"... but not about how to get there!!!    

But quite frankly if I look at the professional path I've followed so far, I think I've been able get the experience and learn some skills that are going to help me get there.

Good luck in your own search!  

Sylvain

Hi Ninthplanet!

I haven't gone to the Akashic Records in a OBE mode, but experienced the place while being guided into a lengthy regression exercise.

The goal of the exercise was to find about what I should be doing with my life, but I did not know about the Records at the time and my guide didn't make me vizualize it. The only thing he did was to ask me to project myself mentally away from my body, then fly away from the Earth and stop on some planet of my choice (he said planets had symbolic meanings). I intuitively chose Saturn (after the regression I learned that Saturn was, symbolically, the planet of wisdom and knowledge).

Now, on that planet I saw a temple, besides a garden. I felt like I had spent much time there "studying" and meditating in between lives (I believe in reincarnation and really felt the place was like "home" and gave me a deep feeling of calmness and harmony). Then I decided to enter the temple and inside was a library.

At that point my conscience of everything around me in the physical plane had gone numb and felt a bit like in a lucid dream state. I felt "directed" towards a specific shelf of the library, then stopped in front of what felt like "my" book. I felt that book contained everything I ever was and will be. And in opening the first page I saw my mission for this life (in pictures that had to be interpreted, not words, which annoyed me a bit! But the meaning was still clear).

Then I got the book back on the shelf at its proper place and got out of the library. There, I met my angelic guide who asked me never to forget my mission. The weirdest part was that "scene" with the "angel" felt like a vivid "memory" from before I was born 35 years ago, not like it was happening in "real time".  In any case, after he told me that, I flew back to the Earth plane at an astoninshing speed and woke up from my regression exercise.

It is only then that my regression guide told me about the meaning of the planet, told me about the Akashic Records and etc. The trance in which I was and the hollographic way in which the message in the book was delivered to me (it is almost always in this fashion that paranormal messages seem to get to me) convinced me I probably really visited the Akashic Records. I say probably because the means to go there was through a regression technique and that the flaws of this kind of exercise might introduce more subjective bias than OBEs. But to me it proved to still be a worthy exercise spiritually.

I still think that the Akashic Records are just a symbolic way to symbolize a realm where all the knowledge is available. In my experience, I think you can retrieve information from that realm without "going" there or visualizing going there. I get my answers through dream programming techniques and it works for me.

Hope it helps!

Sylvain

Hi Quant!

There are several circumstances by which you can experience an OBE.

For example, in some cases I've:

- woken up out of my body,

- was conscient while going out of my body (relaxing, meditating, feeling vibrations, went out)

- was dreaming when I suddenly started an OBE

The last scenario seems to have been your case. I've both dreamt about OBEing and actually experienced "real" OBEs in the middle of a dream. Both experiences feel a lot different. If your experience felt so real, it is very likely that your OBE was "authentic" IMO.

There's still a difference between OBEs and lucid dreams, though. Did it feel real because you were suddenly in control in your dream or did it feel real because you were experiencing sensations generally associated with OBEs: like floating for example? But your feeling of happiness and completeness seems IMO to indicate your experience was an OBE.

Hope it helps!

Sylvain

Hi Patty!

I just read your message for the second time and it hit me that I've felt the "tingly" energy sensation you're talking about all my life since I was a young kid, either when praying or meditating when I was really sincere in my emotions. I've also felt it often when thinking about one of my deceased grandmothers.

To me this "vibrating" feeling is quite different from the pre-exit vibrations Monroe and others talk about. I've had two OBEs in my life where I remember the pre-exit and exit sensations and the vibrations were a lot warmer and deeper than the gentle tingly sensation you're talking about. The pre-exit deeper sensations made me immediately realize, both times, that it was possible for me to leave my body willingly and almost effortlessly. It was also in a much more relaxed state when I experienced both exits.

It may be the same vibrations but quite deeper that allows us to move out of our bodies. But inuitively, I think that the tingly more gentle kind happens when we either feel very positively about something or that a gentle spirit contacts or "embraces" us so to speak.

Another difference: While I can almost generate the gentler vibrations almost at will, I've never been able to relax myself to the point of intentionally generating the deeper pre-exit vibrations. Every OBE I have experienced have been of the instantaneous, unintentional kind.

Hope this info will help you out, Patty!

Sylvain

PS: I'm still debating wether or not I'll share the little I've retained from the "download" experience. I know this is a confidential forum and all that but even 10 years after the fact it feels like one of the most intimate experiences I've ever lived. Also, it probably is the most difficult thing to translate into words... and English is my second language!! In any case, I'll probably give it a try and write about it soon. Just give me time: I'm a shy person!!!  ))  

For me it changes.

My first experience (OBE): sounded like the loud laugh of a witch going out of my body.

2nd experience (sleep paralysis): sounded like the scrary and deep scream of a demon--that's actually how I literally interpreted it as I was sure I was dying!! )

3rd experience (OBE): I gained consciousness while already out of my body, but heard the crisp and loud sound of a whip while rushing back to my body.

4th and 5th experiences (OBE): lots of vibrations felt before coming out of my body, but no sound heard.

Other experiences in between those I wrote about were probably only dreamt. Again: no sound.

Sylvain

Hi Observer,

It is not THAT important to me to know if it was a Kundalini experience or not. But it could have given me a clue about the origin of the phenomenon and learn more about it.

But your point is logic: it really seems to have been the fruit of my prayers, much like your experience. What you ask sincerely will be given to you tenfold. But in that case the "tenfold" was quite overwhelming, if not dangerous.

That's why I thought it may have been Kundalini since I've read that the Kundalini experience is so strong that it can be dangerous if not properly controlled. My best guess is that it is really true what they say: "Be carefull about what you wish for it may become reality!"

Sylvain

Hi!

My first time happened when I was about 4. I kinda gained consciousness sitting on my bed. It did feel like reality and that I had just woke up feeling a bit woosy.

Suddenly something fantastic and scary happened: a witch entered my room through one of the walls near the ceiling! I remember rather vividly thinking that the room was exactly the same so it can't be a dream. It scared me but the witch, apart for her strange laughs, did not seem to be willing to do me any harm.

The witch was flying around my room and then quickly lost altitude and abducted me on her broom stick. By then I was completely terrified and thought she would take me far away from my house and my parents and that I would never see my family again. I wanted to scream to alert my parents but couldn't.

We flew around my room a few times at astonishing speed. It seemed that the witch was content just to stay in my room. Part of me felt frightened to death and part felt more excitement than what one would get from a rollercoaster ride. Less than a minute passed and the witch brought me slowly down to my bed and I woke up.

I still wonder today if there really was another being there (even a neg) or if it was simply my imagination making the witch up to logically justify the flight and sounds we hear when we get out of our body.

Sur enough that experienced left me being scared of the dark and I never was able to go out of my body until many years later.

Sylvain

Thanks for your generous reply, fellow Canadian Kakkarot.

What kind of prayers?

I was raised a Christian. So I did the Lord's prayer, for example.

But the prayers almost became meditations as I was asking for more knowledge about my destiny, the reason behind our existence, and so forth. I also prayed and meditated a lot so that I could follow the right path and accomplish something positive with my life. So most of those prayers weren't really dogmatic formulas of any sort.

The only notable exception was the "prayer" I used before going to sleep to program my dreams. It was basically a French formula saying that I recognized that I was more than a physical entity and that as an immaterial being i was able to communicate with other immaterial beings, then asking for a very wise and loving soul to act as a mentor and teach me the meaning of (insert whatever you want to know about in there)  during a dream, then to wake me up at the end of the dream and guide me through understanding in detail the symbolism and meaning of the dream.

I started this technique two times in the week prior to the "download" and the results were fascinating. I woke up both times at 4:44 am, each time at the end of the dream as I had asked. The contents of those (visually and symbolically) very rich dreams were directly related to the things I was praying to be be taught to me. The dreams were literally explained to me as I was guided through the symbols present in those dreams. No voice was heard from my "guide", nothing had to be expressed. It was like the dream was put on a videocassette with playback and zooming capacities and every important visual became self-explanatory.

The way the information was explained was really similar -- albeit much smoother -- to what I experienced during the overwhelming experience I got through when my upper energy center opened. That's why I think both events could be related.

Is this related to your experience?

Don't know. In a way we both got what we were asking and praying for: knowledge about existential and universal "thruths". Your experience seemed to last longer and go much smoother, to say the least!  )

But since my experience was associated with strong energetic sensations within two of my primary chakras (top head + solar plexus), I was wondering if anybody ever heard of those "outbursts" of knowledge. Can this be associated with an uncontrolled kundalini ? Or any other energy- or psi-phenomenon I do not know about ?

Any clue you guys have will be quite appreciated!

Thanks!

Sylvain