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nwb, I feel as though fasting might not be your problem to successfully acheiving an obe. Although I am not you, but I do have something important to share.

Achieving OBEs has to do with your mentality more then your physical state. Alot of this has to do with how you think and feel. By worrying about NOT having an obe, will make you NOT have one. Your mentality should stand firm by 'being excited by the exit you are going to have later tonight!'; it may feel wierd to be saying this to yourself, but if you feel it to be true it will happen. This works for EVERYTHING, so when you think of someone...think something good and something good will happen; when you prepare for work, feel as though its going to be a good day or the day will go by quickly...I bet you've done this before and never realized your wish came true.

You should watch the movie "The Secret" and learn about the Law of Attraction. It really is the way to think about your daily life.

Fasting, from what I believe, is something you should do when you need to shift your energy inwards for reflection/healing/anything to do with cleansing your spirit. You should know when the time is right for a fast and prepare for the shift; I don't think it should be done just to get an OBE....Again, I am not you, some people know what is right for themselves.

Before I go, I had a drought of 3 years of not having OBEs. I thought of everyway to get them to happen. I realized that I was worrying too much about making them occur rather then what I was going to do when I was there. I also realized that this was true about life; if I felt this way then thats what happened...Its a system of "Ask and you shall recieve" BUT ALSO "God works in mysterious ways."

Makes you think don't it?

Spite

I've talked about this feeling alot and I know exactly what he's trying to say, but he prolly feels to good to break it down and explain...I'll try my best.

I know everyone has had a moment where you've felt great. Now I'm talking like when you love someone and you get that warm bubbly feeling in your heart when you are with them. There are other feelings that make you feel fantasic, like remember getting a soothing backrub and how you felt afterwards. Everyone has a time in there life where they've emitted the greatest feeling they've ever experienced; it wouldn't be the greatest if you didn't remember it!

That feeling can be reproduced all the time, and you must remember that each part of your body may feel great in a different way. For example, I like the feeling of someone's nails being drug slightly over the inside of my arm...it gives me the tingles all over. But my lower back would rather have the feeling of a soothing backrub because it just reacts to that better. Now when I think of this great love/feeling I mix all those times when I've actually felt fantastic and meld them into a supreme feeling. When I do this I I feel as if all my cares just float away, and they really do. All you have to do is just stay relaxed and remember that energy...when you are around other people just program yourself to give and recieve that feeling and you'll notice people react to it whether they know or not.

The astral plane is always perfect, and what you want will happen.

I'm right there with ya. I've only had around 20 OBEs, all only about a minute or so long. The biggest thing to remember is to not worry about anything. If you take everything in stride and say to yourself, "I know whats happening, what should I do next?" You'll have a better time and have more control...If you want more control, remember to stay calm and just say to yourself, "I want control," its even better to just feel it rather then say it. Everything that happens, happens for a reason. I made the big mistake of worrying and wanting, which should of been accepting and being happy with whats coming; since I was worried about certain aspects, even though they were minsicule, they still affected me and prevented my journeys. Its all about your emotions and having full control over them; you're going to a place where everything is perfect, you have to be perfectly ready to accept that.

Well, I don't think it is stupid question.
Movement, you see, is relative, not absolute- everything is still in reference to one thing, and moving in reference to another.

I remember reading Cosmic Journeys by Rosalind McKnight, and in the book her spirit guides tell her about stagnation and how its actually the one thing you want to avoid. Now this is dubiously related to not being productive, not neccessarily movement, but with all things moving would be the product of non-stagnation. So, all in all, just a refreshing thought; I mean most things are based on wave-lengths which need to move to be produced.

Thanks for the responses, they really helped me figure out my quarrel. The problem I'm having is a neg influences that are sending mis-information my way via clairaudience. I was being told that I was someone who was being watched by a bunch of people. While that could be true to an extent, these people were saying they were my friends and such; it didn't make sense because my friends would of been open to discussion on how to do it and they didn't even know what I was talking about. And they weren't saying friends in general, they were saying names of family members and good friends, it kinda got me stuck in a bad situation but luckily I can get out of it before it gets too deep.

Thanks for helping me I've been in this flow for too long and I think I finally can get back to going out-of-body again. It was strange because when I first started I got out within the first 3 days of meditation. Then this neg influence came and I didn't understand what it was, and it got me pretty bad. Now I'm 21 and trying to get back to 17, and trying to forget all the bad things and bring in all the positive. Just thinking positive and breathing positive(literally) helps incredibly. That was one of my problems other then this mis-information being told to me.

Thanks again, now off to get rid of this neg influence and stay positive,

Spite

How many people in general know how to go out of body, whether naturally talented or otherwise? I'm talking about people who know they go out of body and can control it.

Can I get a base figure here, not just everyone knows or no one knows; it'd be nice to have a good figure to go by. And also whom might be the best type of person to ask face to face(known psychic, hypnotist, psychologist)?

I'm having a bit of trouble figuring this one out. It would be very helpful to me in knowing the truth about how many people actually go out of body and know they do, so they can talk about it physically.

Also what is the average age of learning individuals? Is it teenagers, young adults, adults? This is a question that has gotten me worried that I might be the only person my age(21) learning this and I may be missing out on somethings that people may be not telling me.

It would be really helpful if people were truthful in answering this question I'm really having a problem figuring it out.

Thanks,

Spite

Interesting. I didn't know that, I guess there wasn't as many people as there as today. Maybe it will work this time around...who knows?

Thats a great idea, I knew there would be something. Maybe I'll message Adrian and see what he has to say.

Oh definitely. Chatrooms can produce conversations that forums can only have after maybe 2 weeks worth of talking back and forth.

I'm not saying that the forums aren't great, but I'd like to talk with people who are also intersted in this field. I just think it'd be nice to have a forums to ask the huge questions and then have a chatroom to talk with your friends about whatever you want.

I was wondering if the astralpulse hosted any chatrooms? It would be nice so we can talk directly to eachother.

Haha, because I was hungry!

Thanks for the support everyone. I'm starting to get the hang of being able to function with thoughts in my mind. I feel like I have a side-kick around me willing to tell me things that people are thinking and feeling. Like yesterday for instance, I stole a pizza from my work( I'm a delivery guy ) and my astral buddy told me that my boss was going to charge me for it. My boss never told me he charged me for it yesterday, but today he came up to me and gave me the money back for the pizza and said that he found a ticket for the pizza and that he was wrong for charging me for the pizza. I don't know how it worked out, but I made 6 bucks and got a free pizza meanwhile my astral friends are laughing.

I guess soon enough they'll be showing me around when I can fully project at will. I still feel strange that I hear my friends though and that they don't know they are talking to me. It just doesn't seem right, I still think they are lying to me, but maybe I will find out soon if they know paranormal studies or not.

Thanks everyone,

Spite

Yea it seems that is what is happening to me soul. I never really figured out why everyone would be hiding something so apparently blatant, but it doesn't seem that its even known by anyone. Even now as I'm typing this I hear voices telling me that I am wrong and a jackass for even thinking that what you are saying is true. Granted I have been a willy to all these voices just because I am trying to figure out my way when it seems all the chips are down. I've found out that they like to comment on the way I've lived my life and they seem to really want to talk to me lately or atleast be nice about things. I guess I will just have to prevail, there is no stopping it now.

spite

I see what you guys are saying, and all your input has been very helpful. I will try and learn shielding because I cannot even get out of my body anymore because of this. I've become very edgy with everyone around me in the physical and so its almost 100 times worse in the etheric.

I am very determined to figure out this process and weed out the bad and find the good. For now it seems I am not the only one who this happens too and thats a great sigh of relief. Whether or not this is something as big as I thought, I am still in the dark on that one. But I have already started some shielding thanks to Nodes' advice and it seems as though its working alowly but surely.

If anyone has suggestions that they have tried that works, like a practice routine or things they like to say, then by all means please post them. I would like as much help as I can get on this.

Thanks alot eveyone,

Spite

Thanks a ton for the links lola!

I wouldn't want this to stop, its too interesting and I'm too curious to see how far down the rabbit hole I can go.

I'm going to read all these telepathy links and find out what I can.

Thanks again,

Spite

Thanks for the reply lola.

Unfortunately the voices get clearer and even more descriptive when I meditate. The reason its disturbing me is because I seem to be conversing with flatmates and such, and they tell me things they must think about me deep down inside or things they would never say to me to my face. Its very confusing to be hearing one thing in my head then see them act like they don't even know what they are saying. I really don't want to believe that this is true, but I'm able to decipher friends voices from others.

I can ignore the voices and drop out of conversations with them, but it seems that this only makes them mad because if you think about it...If someone was talking to you directly then all the sudden just started to ignore you, it would be slightly aggrevating.

Overall, I know they are friendly and are trying to help me through this, but I can't get over why I can control and hear thoughts of my friends around me. They like to make fun of me and stuff, its kinda messed up, and it makes me feel as if I'm missing out on something that everyone else already knows...But I definitly know that I'm the one making this happen.

I have a theory that it may be people in the astral trying to converse with me through the voices of my friends. Maybe because they think it will make me feel confortable with the transition. I'm not totally sure, if you have any ideas of how I should try to deal with this I'd be appreciative.

Thanks

spite

I don't want to claim that I'm going crazy yet, but recently I've come to believe that I have been reaching into other peoples sub-concious thought and even more so, people in the astral realm. I cannot project at will yet, but I have gotten out of body. I'm new to this whole thing, but this problem has interrupted my whole mediataion cycle and OBE expierences.

What takes place is that I hear voices of a conglomerate, male and female voices and also a background of chatter. It seems as though the people who I hear want to be around me or in my realm of thought. Some speak to me and others just listen, but they all know whats going on. Its strange to be saying this because I've tried to claim I was going insane, but I have proved to myself I can atleast effect a situation around me.

For example: One time I was riding in a car with my friends, my one friend was driving and he sneezed. In my mind I said," Bless You" directly to him, but I didn't speak anything verbally. And he responded verbally saying, "Thank You."

This freaked me out because I couldn't tell what had just took place. I know for a fact I didn't say anything verbally and that I did say bless you in my head. What is this phenomena? Am I really someone who is missing out or am I reaching a status which many have not acheived?

Beyond all those questions, I sometimes feel as if I can control every situation I happen to get myself in and at times that I am the one who is supposed to be in control. I've actually done nothing in those situations before, just sat and watched what would happen. Everyone starts acting weird, they all seem lost as if they have no clue of what to do with themselves.

For example: I was walking with about 8 friends to a house through the town that we live in. Some people were talking and I was just walking enjoying the conversation when I suddenly forgot where we were going. We happened to be passing a random food court area and so I contemplated in my head saying, "Aren't we supposed to stop and hang out here?" After I said that in my mind everyone suddenly agreed to sit down and started to move towards a table close by and sit down. Then right before I sat down I looked around and thought in my mind, "Wait we are supposed to be going to the house." And just as I started thinking that statement everyone else started realizing what had just happened and started laughing that we all forgot where we were going all at the same time, and that all of us decided to sit down together.

This was a very profound moment in my life because no one to this day has ever mentioned to me that they hear my thoughts. And it seemed too wierd that a group of 8 people would all forget at the same time that we were walking to a house, something that seems almost the opposite of hanging out at some random area, especially when the area isn't even a very familiar place we hang out.

I've talked to one friend who likes talking about paranormal activity and he seems almost certain that I am talking through the barrier of the astral and reaching not just people there in the etheric but peoples sub-concious feelings and thoughts here in the physical.

If anyone knows what is going on please help me out. If you have any questions please ask, I will try my best to answer. This is something I have to get used to or get rid of, its slowly driving me crazy.

I just started playing bass recently and I've been studying chords, notes, and rythms extensively. I've actually realized that the bass and guitar use a 8 octave system which sets up the fret board in a supreme fashion.

I've read that mathmatics is a strong universal code and guitars, especially bass, are perfection mathmatically having a perfect 8 ( 8 is representation of infinity ) octave setup where you can easily note hop to decide what would sound best from your mind, heart, and soul.

- Just a side note, don't think of this mathmatics as something taught to you in school. Its more of a energy, a feeling, if you play music you know that feeling of hitting a good sound and just wailing it out until your soul is satisfied. Its just like finally accomplishing that super hard math problem in your head and not needing any help. -

I've been thinking about this alot and I've come to realize that music is a great connector to the soul and can lead people to realize the inifinity with musical chords.

This mathmatics, I believe, is why some bands can actually make "good" music but not be a good band. They've stumbled into a unique code which may have been needed to be projected to certain souls for direction to the infinity.

Is this a connection that anyone could of stumbled on? I believe so, but the way we configured our souls is to a different tune and different mathmatical code to connect the infinity in our own way. The artistic value of improv could actually be considered a higher form of mathmatical code, lets say a calculus instead of algebra. Some people internally cannot and will not be able to learn a calculus routine, and some people will accel in algebra but never understand a lick of calc.

Have you ever thought about it? I bet all your closest friends have the same taste in music that you do. And the people you like to meet almost always are interested in the same music more often then not. And you can probably communicate with those people better then others, even when you don't know they like that certain music.

This is just a theory I've come across and it seems to be true in every fashion. I love that this came up because I would really love to hear others opinions on this topic.

Thanks for the responses, I've been thinking heavily on this matter and I came up with just about the same ideas you guys have. I wanted to make sure I wouldn't forget so I thought of this way that will hopefully remind me.
I'm writing down a list of things to remember, i've structured this list as a keyword that I am going to repeat while in trance and when I project. Hopefully this works and gives me enough time to actually think and enjoy the obe state.

Once again thanks for the responses, I'll leave a message later with results when I achieve them.

Spite

Ok this is my problem, recently I've been doing my regular OBE practice, and after each practice I take a nap and actually end up lifting out of my body, but I can't maintain that status for long.
Today, for instance, I lifted out after practice and rolled off my bed next to my body. I started to get up then was sucked back in. Happy that I actually acheived OBE status, I settled down and got back into the vibrations then lifted out again. This time I floated towards a pole in my room and grabbed it so I wouldn't get sucked back in. To my surprise it worked for a little bit, as soon as I let go of the pole I started moving towards a door outside and right as I got towards the door I felt a pull and the next thing I know i'm again in the blackness of my thoughts. Then again still happy that I can achieve OBE status, I settle down then feel for the vibrations, as they come I decided to lift out a different way, to my surprise I got out with barely an trouble and I started moving to another destination, upstairs then outside. I moved very slowly upstairs and almost got outside and then bam got sucked back in and this time I lost the trance.
This has been happening to me recently, where I can get out but I can only stay out for a limited time and during that time I really can't concentrate on anything because I keep getting pulled back to my body.
I would like to ask for some insight on this problem, it seems I am there but I lack something that can keep my body from pulling me back.

I'm sooo close, please help

Spite

I've been having these for a few months now, recently they've been getting less frequent. I've been meditating for a little less then half a year, studying Robert Monroe's Gateway Experience, I've just recently started studying Robert Bruce's methods, both are highly recommendable. I seem to have more dreams, lucid and uncontrolled, then AP or OBE. When I started studying astral projection, I was able to get out almost instantaneously, I had about 5 OBE's within the first week of training with Dr. Monroe's method. I kept them short and sweet like recommended and everything was swinging fine. Then I hit a wall, and the OBE's stopped and I've had maybe 4 since that time where strange things happen when I get out( thats for another post ). But the OBE's stopped right when these dreams started and as much as I enjoy the dreams, I think I need to learn something from them first before I can OBE again. Can anyone help, please read this dream I wrote about. It happened recently.

It started in a cold night where it seemed that I was searching for something, clueless to where I was I ventured out in the wilderness. I followed some type of street, a small walk way more like it, it kinda zig-zagged. I saw some type of enemy in the distance, he was wearing some crazy outfit, it looked kinda cool. He was around a corner to the left. As I approached the person I grabbed the being from behind, got some information from them( I couldn't tell what it said, it was blurred ). As I was about to leave another enemy happened to be in front of the other being, kinda walking in the other direction talking, he spun around to see me suppress his friend into submission. As he noticed this he started throwing these crazy kunai type knives.
- kunai are ninja throwing knives. Each looked like a kunai shape at the end where its sharp but the top had a chain attached to it, so you could spin them and get a maximum velocity toss very accurately if trained well.

He threw a few straight at me, but I used his friend to block them and kept the limp body in front of me as a nice shield. While ducked under cover I managed to pick up one of his kunai and throw it back nailing him in the head, what luck I thought because I threw the thing horribly, almost like a girl...it was funny to me at the time. I escaped unharmed and ready to pounce, so next thing I remember is walking up to this huge skyscraper type building in the late afternoon. I bust into the building and I start moving so fast that everything slows down to a jog next to me. A hoard of those kunai knives fly from every direction and I'm dodging them with ease; I actually started to manage to grab them out of the air and throw them back with pace.
- It was unimaginable to me, I'm thinking to my self at this moment, how am I doing this? I know its not really possible, but its fun as hell. All the enemies were the same looking, just like all the games I play. So I'm assuming I'm just playing a game, but it gets interesting from here on.

I end up getting to the top floor basically massacring all these poor enemies, they really didn't stand a chance. I glance into the background behind the beings and see a woman tied up and Bill Murray( the actor ) holding her and a shiny black ball type thing in his hand. The next thing I know there is about 3 enemies left and I vanquish them with ease. I rush over to the girl and untie her, she secures the black ball and we leave. I didn't do anything to Bill for some odd reason, he seemed like an enemy, at first, but I wonder if he was showing me the prize or something. But anyway, the lady and I end up on a bus where she showed her gratitude for saving her, which I accepted happily as she was a very good looking girl. The bus was going up some mountain to a house where unfortunately I had to stop the bus and get out because we got attacked by some forest monsters. Just a little distraction nothing harmful...I think the girl even killed some. But eventually we settled at this house where people were eating and gathering. There was one thing that was wrong, the house was full of enemies. Everyone there was a person I was fighting against, even Billy boy was there chatting away all disgruntled about how they all were beaten by me.
   - Right now I felt kinda awkward because I didn't just go to a safe haven I was in the buzzards nest right after I stole the egg. It was like complete irony, like I was rubbing it in there face hardcore style. It felt good, but that feeling was totally unparalleled by the feeling of fear. Just earlier in my dream they were trying to strike me and I was striking them and now I'm there. Well this is the end of it all, its still confuses me.

I end up in the basement with the girl, we're getting intimate and close then I hear a alarming voice behind me saying something like "give it back." I turn around semi-ticked because of obvious reasons and I throw the black orb at the guy. I said something like, "Take it, I don't really need it, but on one condition, you leave me and my girls alone." And with that statement he jetted away, I walked outside with my girl, kinda hugged her and the sun blurred me out and I woke up.
   - This couldn't of been more like a movie, there is only a few things that bother me. The first was that I was doing all those actions on my own, whilst thinking what the heck am I doing!? Furthermore, what was that black thing representing? I've seen this before, like when I'm using the Monroe method, he asks to put all things that might hinder your experience into a box. For a time I had a problem with this black ball figure breaking out of the box, even when I didn't want it to, I couldn't stop it. So what I did was make a bag that I carry with me that has a direct relationship with my box, and I store the black ball in it, and if it tried to escape I can keep it stored. I have no clue what its supposed to represent, I've seen this orb ball thingy many times in my dreams, lucid and what not. I have no clue what to guess, I've looked around and seen that some people claim fighting in a dream represents change. I didn't change too much in my life when this happened and have no clue as to what that black ball could mean other then something bad. Also this dream wasn't the first; it was part of many dreams like this, with same and different enemies. But every dream always has a point or an objective, which is subconsciously known to me, but I can't try to think of it because when I do my head hurts, so I have to wait until the end of the dream. And lastly every dream I always find myself sliding back and forth between good and evil. Like I fight the evil, but never the good, but at times I always end up around evil and not getting attacked. There are times when they act like my friends and such. Overall I enjoy these dreams a lot, I guess the reasoning being because I like crazy things like that, especially cool martial art fighting stuff. But I would like to see what the meaning behind these are, because I don't think I would be having these for any particular reason, I'll have to put more thought behind it.