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Doesn't deep breathing interfere with the sleep paralysis?
Everytime I try an OBE I get to such a relaxed state I can hardly feel my breathing and my mind is like getting restless as if it doesn't allow me to relax more without the sense of breathing, like a safety mechanism.  I think you have to get past this to achieve body asleep mind awake state. (anyone shares this feeling?)

I wonder if you breath "abnormally" deep you get relaxed allright but your body senses the movement of your chest and so how could you possibly sleep your body forcing it to breath deep?
I think you can do it for a while but have to stop it to allow your body to sleep.

Greetings, Jimmy

I've experienced this many times.  I believe that if your not fully paralysed and your aware of your breathing, then when you try to get out, it causes this feeling.  Usually I'll let myself go a bit more and then attempt to project again and then there's no pressure around my chest.

I must agree with Clarky on this one...

It happened to me loads, its like your body fighting somehow to fall asleep as if it knew your mind is trying to "trick" it.  Also might be a result of maybe adrenaline rising when you think you are getting there and you are getting emotional? When you meditate you focus on your breathing and the trick is to get to a state where you don't feel anything at all, this is what they call the paralysis.
It is not so easy as we might think to cross the bridge from awake to asleep with our mind still awake... keep on trying 

Greetings,

My experience is limited to only one OBE but I must agree with the others, sound seems to disappear, the only thing I could "hear" was a constant high pitch tone but I suppose this could have represented my vibrational state of consciousness.
But I did not hear any sound that you normally allways seem to hear even when its quiet like birds singing outside or traffic.
Only when going out and going back in you hear a weird "wet sucking" like sound.

Hope this helps,

Jimmy

First of all Hi to everyone, life has kept me busy with other matters for a while now.  But I always come back to my inner self who is wanting OBE's as a natural thing... some day.

Here is my first OBE and also my only one because for some reason I did not try to do it more.  I tried a lot when I was younger though, maybe it's to avoid disappointments.

It was when I still lived in Belgium in the year 1999. I came from my nightshift and did a little chatting when I came home around 6 30 at 8 30 went to sleep.
I found myself very quickly in a dream, faster then normal that's for sure.  The difference was that I didn't lose my consciousness and was able to control my movements in the dream and was thinking rational as well. I realized that I was having a lucid dream and I knew that this was the moment to try to induce an OBE.

I climbed on a van that was involved in an accident in that dream and jumped off to get a falling effect.  It was weird to find myself almost programed to and know what to do to get an astral projection!
The dream disappeared and everything around me was black like I was just laying there with my eyes closed.  I didn't feel or hear anything nor my own body but I knew where I was and that I was still in my body.  The thought of movement had an immediate reaction to it as if I was hanging loose.  I decided then to roll out.  As I rolled out I heard like a sucking sound at least something like that.

There I was floating next to my bed but I had to think of seeing to start to see my bedroom and yes there was the edge of my bed.  Thought of movement was immediate action so I moved up a bit to see my bedroom which had like a slight misty view to it.  All the object had like a bright grey metallic shine to them and as I observed everything I had this constant high pitched tone I could "hear".  But the strangest was that I didn't recognize myself, my personality was gone, no thoughts, no doubts, no feelings at all.  Just maybe a slight being home feeling.  But I didn't feel like wow this is it lets go to watch the neighbours!
In fact I didn't feel the need to go anywhere!  I then "wanted" to see my hands to see how I looked.

But this was a mistake I think because the thought of moving an astral limb like it would be a fiscal immediately triggered me back to my body.  After all those years I tried in the past without success I sure wanted to hang out for a bit longer so I started to struggle but whatever I did the return could not be avoided.  I felt like I was going trough  the structure of the quilt I had on me a bit like I felt all the material which it was made of going trough me on a microscopic level!  I heard that sucking sound again and then I knew I was back.

I didn't move at first, just opened my eyes and it was as if there was never been a change in my consciousness like I would have closed them and opened them a few minutes afterwards.  I went over the experience like I read once in a book of Monroe you have to recall everything for your brain to remember it like happens with dreams, you forget it.
I watched the clock and only 10 min went by since I went to bed ?!

I felt very happy because this was definite proof that I would not just die and vanish.  But also a bit sad because I could not recognize my personality when I was out as if I was a different being.
So who we are is all stored in our brain?  Why are we here? I know that our soul is eternal but our ego?

Well the only thing you forgot to do is "think" u want to see, keep in mind u close your eyes to go to sleep and u have to "open" them in the astral, but u were out! Same happend to me 6 yeas ago..did u hear a sucking sound when u moved away? Remember next time THINK u want to see! Greetings from spain*

Indeed a good question...

In my opinion the universe is so massive its difficult to say whether they "we" always been or are reproduced... but for what I feel about this matter...

In the beginning there was one and for some reason that single awareness exploded and divided itself in many which are constantly reaching further and further to finally become one again....

I feel the Big Bang is our scientific name for this event


As a human it is difficult to know where we come from... I guess spiritually we can't even imagine


Greetingzzz

NOSTIC

You've just changed your Avatar to Lord of the Rings.... Just today when I gave my girlfriend the Trilogy as a christmass pressent!!!
What the hell???
This might be a sign  

 Download emule (FREE)
And put this in your search string "Hemi sync"
You will find loads.... download gateway experience from monroe institute... that's quite something to work on...

There u go....
ESM

 Wow Nostic! Thanks for this what moroe would call "SGE"
I'm printing it out cause its a bit big to read from the screen...

So u can't feel like this all the time I supose.... shame but I'll have to live with that.... There is a state of mind wich is similar but not based on loving one person... I experienced it once... I called it "been conected to the source"

It was a few years ago when I was a member of a chatroom called "NewAge RoundTable"... somehow chatting with others I managed feeling like my body was vibrating on a higher level... walking was like floating and I didn't sleep nor eat during 5 days (without feeling tired or hungry)

Each time we had a session talkin about the truth of life it was like each one of us was writing a phrase of a same story ....
I supose this feeling would not be possible to maintain either

I don't know why but I allways seem to sort of "investigate" feelings and reactions... I like to learn how I and other people react.
Is this a bad thing?    

Thank u all for your support

I think you may be confusing "love" with "infatuation"   And perhaps you've heard this before.  They say (whomever "they" are) that infatuation lasts from 3 to 6 months before you start to lose the stardust and the lust that tends to make our pulses race and our eyes blind to a more even view of reality and the relationship.

Thanks Joya... I had to check what infatuation ment and I think I understand.
It sure is a good question you mentioned!

Probably I do mix them but in my opinion they should not be seen as a separate issue.... it takes more than hormones and chemistry to feel such great power of connection in between 2 beings... though I can understand it is not comparable with a "perfect" couple that have been together for ages and die in eachother's arms... it should be respected as a start of something bigger (not sure if I explain myself very well)

A couple can achieve great decisions during this period like mariage, kids and so on... though it is a game of roulette
I'm aware that love involves a lot of understanding and chaneling... but if in the begining it can be so perfect.... why does it have to change???
You could move mountains and overcome everything when u feel this "crush"

What if that moment was really true love and we just can't handle it?


As for Rastus....

Thank u as well for this more filosofic view... I will answer your questions and maybe you can chanel a bit on my personality

Yes I do love myself!! But I have to love somebody to be able to love myself... It's just how I am ... I can't help it to "get lost" when I don't have a partner I love
Just because I feel useless and I don't want to be here only for myself... I know this is weird answer but thats how it is?!

Defining love... umm that is not a simple Question!  I'm not sure I can answer that without influence of our society so I will just tell u this...
Love for me is like water air fire and earth....
It makes u light and fluid.... It fills you with life.... It gives u the strenght of ten giants!
That is love for me...My life for you

Thank u!

Hi everyone...

I just feel the need to share this personal matter, I hope I'll get some answers...

I'm 27 and I must say I have a problem with Love... I can't seem to hold that Big L feeling for more than 6 or 7 months... after that it just disapears and changes into "care about a partner"

I wonder why this keeps on happening, My goal would be feeling in love all the time wich I see as True Love!  I allways seem to fall from the cloud and start to be influenced by "typical" material maters and my relationships end more or less after 2.5 years

Is this normal?? Does this happen to everyone and though it happens they mary... have kids and hold on to eachother just because they are scared to be alone?

I wonder... should I give up this dream or is my faith worth it and should I continue my search till I find the One... or
Am I wrong and should accept this "I care about You" and hold on to what I have?

 This matter makes me very sad and though I trust my feelings they overwelm me!

Please help!

 Thanks!

Now I'll feel better every time my girlfriend says to me "Your Ego is so big u can step on it" ... I know it sounds weird but it is an spanish expression ... they usually use it in arguments!
Seems like having ego is still seen as a bad thing in this mordern age... though I feel proud having one!  The important thing is not having a fake one...

The human mind is very complex...

 Hi there....

Heres an input:

I downloaded (free) using emule the 7 series the Monroe institute brought out to learn astral proyection... they are called "The Gateway Experience" and each serie (wave) consist out of 6 exercises of 45 min
They are elaborated on hemi-sync basis... I had a bit of a go on it but I didn't have time yet to start with it seriously... so far in my opinion it does what it is supposed to do (each exercise brings you to a different level of awareness)
The - on them is they are limited to 45 min, probably because they were originally on tape ... so if u listen to them on mp3 make sure u program each exercise separately so it doesn't jump to the next and ruins the effect....

Greetingzzz

Love & Light

I apologize. I cannot make API a priority any longer for the time being. (Gee that lasted long didn't it?)

I have other spiritual work I need to attend to. Sigh.

 Eh?? Why start the subject?

You have my support  

Though I think The Island will need lots of us to first maintain it as a constant and we would have to go there like "workin in shifts"... and after a big while it will have the power to exist on its own...
It could be a powerfull "base station" for us!

Greetingzz!

Out of my expirience to get vibrations your body must be asleep firs (can't feel a thing) and are induced by trying to move your DREAMBODY ... once u feel movement you start to have vibrations but as others say ... you should't get too axious about them and just continue focus on the movement...

Several years ago I tried it A LOT with no success at all... only vibrations but messed up by impatience and high expectations... Only now I found a trick to get there easyly and must practise more to get out....
I lay myself on my side (to alow my body to almost fall asleep), as I cant sleep on my back... then I roll over gently on my back and put a hand on my stomach so it would'nt feel like I force myself into meditation but instead let my body think I am falling asleep... this helps to not get that nasty twitch my body sends me to roll on a side to sleep...
Then it's just a mather of watching and let go... at the right moment (PARALYSIS!) Try to induce movement
 

Love and Light

It was a typical Sunday afternoon in my new appartement...girlfriend working late shift and me myself and I working a bit on my PC till 18:00 because I felt a bit tired I decided having a short nap.
Went to bed, left my pull-over and socks on... I had meditation in mind with maybe an OBE but I didn't put my expectations too high...

So I layed on my side (because I can't sleep on my back) till I was on the edge of falling assleep... decided to turn on my back to see what would happen... I got to the stage were I didn't feel my body anymore quickly and started to "see" some early stage dream images... I was fully conscious but very relaxed so I tried to imagine all sorts of "dream-body" movements to get out...

* very heavy spinning
* "swimming" forwards
* levitating with imagin of actually getting out but when turned around I didn't see my body so I realized it was a false (dream maybe)
I even tought I actually got physically out of bed
* gravity push down with result of false (dream) touching the floor
* I even imagined hearing enya music which was very nice!

The reason why I am sure of the "false" is because I had an OBE once and I know that there are no doubts about being out or not... the strange thing is I almost believed that I was physically out... so I think I was not conscious enough... but it was very nice to visualize so freely... something that never happened to me

I felt a bit tired of visualizing so I decided to open my eyes and check the time... surprise I could not move! Because I didn't feel anything...I was completely not aware of my body (neck downwards)
I got rid of the paralysis by starting to wiggle a bit with one hand... stronger and stronger
Got up and when I checked the time it was 22:00!

(four hours had past!!!?)
I think I'm very close to exiting and I found a trick to get rid of the (move your body to fall asleep input) first lay on my side till I almost fall asleep and then move to my back... and let go with no expectations ... just lay back and watch and play!

Just curious...

Has anyone tried to meet or find a person from this forum... I wonder because I think it would be great to have a shared O.B.E!!

Also... u think it would be possible to get somebody out of his body while asleep to help him out of there??

In a book that Monroe wrote... I read that in order to go and visit someone you really need to know that person well in order to be able to "chanel"

Any experiences...Anyone??[|)]

This book is a must-read! I realized a lot reading it... Strange thing is it seems to refer a bit to O.B.E... especially the next book after this one from "James Redfield"  "The Tenth Insight" He is talking about the transformation of the human awareness that eventually leads to traveling with the human body trough space and time

[] Nice one

Jimmy

Hi there!

First of all... it's great to know that so many people that share this great (out of the ordinary) idea! [8D]
I just signed up to this forum today so a bit of a newbee though the thought of wanting to have an O.B.E has been with me for 11 years now... so I wonder there must be a reason for this...I must not give up my dreams... never will!
My question to u guys is... what are your motivations... your goals, what answers do u seek?

As It is my question... and to break the ice... I will give u mine first []

* I no longer want to act so stupid as I do sometimes... I wish to realize the true meaning of life...

* I wish to be able to help others either fysical or not and so become and do what I'm not allways able to in the fysical plane

* I wish above all to meet my father/mother wich I feel is God, though I feel that God is scattered into peaces wich we are a part of..

* I wish to learn from all this and use it in a positive way while I am here on earth

* Above all I wish to be happy and be myself all along!


I hope some of you can share your goals with me and maybe one day we meet out there... I think we could bound an eternal friendship and maybe discover we allready know eachother []

Greetingzzz

Jimmy

[:O] To change the world, we need to change the human first...that means start here [|)]

Before we see the result, it will take a while I think...

But at least we can have it in our own little world we carry within


Greetingzzz []

Well...

voting or not...yes or no...At the end I think the moderators will do whatever they "feel" is right, at the end of the day it's them who are "doing" (suposing)it and therefore want a focussed forum of those who have O.B.E's and want to share their experiences...
But...

Whatabout us? Do we have to go back to the old days and feel lonely in our "Quest" questioning if we are on our way to success?

I feel all this could end up in separatism

I think u should work on a better chatroom instead or if u wanna have a focused discussion...there is allways messenger...

Greetingzzz [|)]

Hi Rob!

Well there are loads of techniques...but everybody tends to have their personal way of "doing it"...The first ting you should do is the basics... lay down and let yourself go "WITHOUT MOVING"...that's where you will begin to feel odd things happening
First it will take you about 40 min to get in a fully relaxed state where u can't feel your body anymore...though you might not get further because u get impatient... but the more you do this the quicker it will happen...so the more time you have to move on without getting to the impatience of givin up and turn over to go to sleep! (Wich I think happens to lots of us [:O] )
If you have no problems being able to visualize anything you want... you will be able to try out lots of techniques wich are based on that! If you are not that lucky it will take time...
But hey! It certainly is worth it!
After some training... even if without succes... you'll get from an awake state to trance in about 15 min!! [:O]
Wich means that your work after all brings some fruites []

Good luck and... whatever happens... you are NOT alone []

Hey Astro

My personal experience with vibrations is just like G3 said felt in the whole body...But the "tingly" feeling you had might be a reaction to focussing on certain parts of the body...
The tingling you also get if you tune your vibrations to a higher frequency (A higher pulse rate per sec)wich is a controled vibrational state and used as a take off for OBE, it's also less "freaky" and more maintainable

Greetingzzz[]

Heya,

Must say that I more or less have the same problem like in the first part of your message... I just seem to be stuck in that stage where u can't feel your body anymore...falling asleep I can never when I'm meditating (don't know if that is maybe really the problem... too tense??) I can't hang on for 2 hours like you do though [:O]
Check for a topic in that Cube wrote "how to observe your body fall asleep...

As for those visions that appear from your dreams... personally I never have nightmares or "boogy entities" apearing in my dreams... I think this is related to my disbelief in "evil"

I'll be following this topic...might need some advise aswell[]

Greetingzzz

Jimmy