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#1
Quote from: Kirkland on June 24, 2012, 13:15:03
I swear this question gets posted every single week  :roll:. Firstly do a search of the forum there are literally hundreds of threads asking the same question. Secondly science doesn't know everything up till the 1890's the scientific community rejected the notion that there was such a thing as a trance state. I don't think it's possible to get scientific proof that everyone seems to crave whatever verification someone gets will always be subjective and not objective.

Sorry if it is not clear what I'm saying. I believe OBEs are real, this is not the issue here. The issue is whether or not it happens in our everyday life. And this CAN be proved easily by asking OBE voluntaries to report things they see using scientific method. In contrast to "I wrote a number on a paper and I swear to god she reported it!".
#2
Quote from: Xanth on June 24, 2012, 11:37:48
If you're looking for "scientific" PROOF that what we do is "real"... you sadly won't find it.  And you might not ever find it.

However, as my friends above have mentioned... there is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to support the claims.

It all comes down to personal experience.  You've seemingly had many wonderful experiences.  Use them.  :)

Thank you for your input, of course everything we experience is real, even most weird experiences. The issue I have with OBE reports is that people claim they are navigating in our everyday dimension.
I also had few OBEs and visited places that cannot be described but was aware of the fact that I am away, even though the world can seem familiar. I am very open minded person and maybe some of us can really do OBEs and stay in same dimension, I just don't know, but it seems pretty easy to prove.

After visiting those anecdotal reports, my opinion on the subject for the moment is that OBEs are real but the not happening in our everyday reality even if visually it appears so.
#3
Hi,

I'm new here and this is my first question, sorry if I appear skeptical :)

I had LDs and various "experiences", either meditation or DMT "induced" so I know there is something out there and I explore it regularly.

That being said, I always had difficulties understanding why people think that they are visiting the REAL world during OBE. All experiments I heard of failed miserably at trying to prove that. Yes, it can be very convincing, to feel getting out of the body, but isn't it just that: a feeling produced by our own body/soul?

For me, the OBE/AP are just same thing, the "soul" traveling to other places different from our everyday life.

If I'm wrong, can someone please provide a link to a serious study proving that we are visiting the real world and not just a almost perfect mind reconstruction of our environment? For example, seeing things during OBE and confirm it once awaken.