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      O.k., that was funny about neo and the rabbit.  I'm still laughing.  
           
           Sunnysoul71 - Don't be discouraged by the humor.  What your talking about is a totally plausible idea, and it has been discussed at length in the past.  Some possibilities:

      1. Earth realm is a prison planet in which you are sentenced to a certain level of mis-fortune for a certain time period.  In essence, your soul is trapped in the human form with limited abilities until your sentence expires at which time you die.  All the while you are learning how to be a better citizen of life.  

      2. Earth is a giant "SIM" game.  In the true world, the latest technology allows people to play the ultimate on line game in which they make up a character and choose the values and characteristics that they think will benefit their character most.  All the while other players are using alternate characters to stifle their opponents character.  The ultimate evolution of the game occurs when the characters gain enough knowledge to create their own "SIM" game.  This leads to the "SIM" with in the "SIM".  A question to our creators -- How do you know your not a "SIM".

     3.  Earth is a farm for the true food chain elite.  Earth is a fully automated self generating food bank.  We tend the earth growing our food and finding the best ways to stay healthy and populate the planet.  So a few thousand of us go missing once in a while.  What a small price to pay for the right to live.

            Hope you find some of that interesting.  Good luck discovering the true nature of life.

It really seems that when I find myself in another body there is some reason.  I once opened my eyes to find myself face down in a lake.  I was right next to a dock, so I climbed up onto it.  There were a bunch of people eating dinner on the dock, like some kind of resort.  I walked through the people (getting a lot of strange looks) until I got to a door.  After that it felt like I was jumping in and out of that reality.  I saw  a lady walking toward me, then blackness.  All the sudden I could see again and I was on a stretcher and they were forcing a tube down my throat and performing CPR.  This kind of thing happens a lot and it is extremely hard to tell the difference in this reality and that.

 

      Danny - Funny you ask...
                       
                   Just the other night I did run into some people down there and they where actually pretty friendly.  Long story short.  They asked me where I was from and I said "America".  They shook there heads and said "ahhh Germany".  I said  "What do you mean Ahhh Germany".  No one would answer so I asked if something was going to happen.   One girl spoke up and said "we will know by July".  Now I don't know if this has anything to do with our reality and I am not making any predictions, but I thought it was odd that they would know our country's and our calendar system.  So I guess we will know by July if they knew what they were talking about...

Souljahh333 - Speaking of the complexes.

              Strangely when I find myself at these I am not typically in my own body.  I may end up being a woman or an old man or even a child.  Early on I had issues with my vision and thought it was caused by concentrating too hard on seeing, but later found that it was just a mis-match in the facial alignment.  I would only be able to see in kinda a half view, like something was blocking my sight.  Once I discovered how to shift my sight plane to fit the body I was in I could see fine.  

               You spoke of a void.  I have been in two different kind of voids.  One is complete darkness with what appear to be tiny lights floating for what seems to be forever.  Upon touching any of the tiny lights I get sucked in to that reality.  The second void which I thought was the same as the first was actually cold.  If it hadn't been for the cold it would have appeared to be the same as the first.  After exploring this I found that it was an ocean or some kind of large water body.  Swim time to the surface is usually a few minutes.  There are creatures in the water that try to keep me from reaching the top, but they seem protective rather than hostile.

                I seem to have a lot of water experiences including some that are more like concrete pools and it seems the people are trying to keep me in the pool along with a lot of other people.    Strange.......

Souljahh333 - I'm glad you can relate and understand the web shot.  Incidentally, I think there is another function for this that I haven't learned yet.  For now, it sure is fun to swing around.  I think it somehow conserves on energy and doesn't take near the effort as flying does.

            Out of curiosity, could you elaborate on some other tricks that you have learned?

            Some of mine:

                         Energy bubble -  Upon being attacked by the pesky leaches or other bugs, I use the psi ball, but instead of making it in my hands, I start at my feet and envelope my body in it until I am completely inside the ball.  Because it comes from inside out, whatever was attached to me is instantly on the outside of my bubble. Ahhhhh peace at last.

                          Forced levitation - Sometimes levitation seems to be out of order, which puts a momentary cramp in my defense plan.  In that case, I manifest a small throwing object (knife or throwing star) and throw it into my opponent.  Once embedded, I control the object I threw via levitation which in turn moves my opponent.  

                           spinning plates - This was actually shown to me by someone I met obe.  Manifest a stack of golden razor edged plates next to you and using levitation send up as many as you can control and circle them around you.  This is good for the encounters that seem to be a mass attack.  

                            Flaming hand -  I think fire is an excellent defense because the attackers aren't use to seeing it much.  This took a while to manifest but a steady stream of liquid fire does wonders for keeping your safe zone clear.
                             mass stars  -  just like the plates, manifest as many miniature throwing stars into your hand as possible and control them in the direction of your attacker.  It seems multiple hits at one time eliminates the attack immediately.
                           
                              Jedi electricity - I'm really not a sci-fi buff, but I remembered the scene from one of the star wars movies when the old bad guy made electricity flow from his hands.  I haven't had much luck with this as an actual weapon but it works great as a deterrent.  

                               Cloak and staff  - This is more of a disguise that surprisingly enough works.  I'm a guy with short hair so upon entering a new place, I will extend my hair and put on a white cloak.  I have even had some of the dogs pass me by.

                         Very interested to hear back.

[you. I told the bear I didn't want anything and it was nice to meet him. Beside the structures, I believe this is a fairly good example of the separation of our emotions in respect to the different persona's we each have. I would think that each room would hold a different and distinct characteristic of ones self. The animal aspect is interesting and may have more to do with characteristics than actual animal ties. I have considered "cleaning house" in this level of consciousness, but haven't found the time to decide what aspects I would get rid of and which will have value even if in a mundane way.]

About the higher self -  I've had only one experience with a higher self, but it has some strange relations to what you wrote.
         
        I opened my eyes and I was in a hallway with several doors that appeared much like a college dorm.  As I looked at the doors there appeared a young lady that directed me to the door with my higher self.  This was strange because I had not been seeking or even been thinking about this type of situation.  The door had a push button lock on it, and of course my pin number was just the thing to open it.  Inside, I found a lot of stuff, it was cramped but not messy.  At first I didn't see anything of interest, so I shut the door.  I went a door or so down the hall and opened it via the same manner as the first.  Inside this door was a bed with what I will call a primal scene.  When I shut the door, the young lady appeared again and said that this was my lower self and to go back to the first door.  Once back in the first room, I told her that I didn't see anything.  She replied that it was the bear in the corner I was looking for.  I walked up to the bear (which was like a grizzly standing upright) and said hello.  The bear responded "what do you want" with emphasis on the you.  I told the bear I didn't want anything and it was nice to meet him.

            Beside the structures, I believe this is a fairly good example of the separation of our emotions in respect to the different persona's we each have.  I would think that each room would hold a different and distinct characteristic of ones self.  The animal aspect is interesting and may have more to do with characteristics than actual animal ties.  I have considered "cleaning house" in this level of consciousness, but haven't found the time to decide what aspects I would get rid of and which will have value even if in a mundane way.

Souljah333 - You mentioned being tagged.  Have you been able to determine how exactly you are recognized?  

           From your orig. post, you mentioned the wire grids.  I ran into someone a while back during an oobe, and she showed me a window that was all glass and said that "they" could still get in.  Then she showed me a window that had metal caming or wires in it and said "they" couldn't get through that window.  As we stood talking, she seemed to become very disturbed and pointed out the window and said that "they are coming.  Two black dogs then broke through the plane glass windows and began the typical attack.  I took the fight outside which appeared to be a winter landscape somewhere in a wooded area.  The black dogs left and soon two white dogs approached.  After the conflict, the same person I had been talking too, told me that the only reason they attack is because they are scared of me.

           For some reason the better you get at defending yourself, the more frequent and harsher these attacks are.  I never use to have problems with any of this until I began to question the people and the surroundings in which I found myself.  I think you get tagged because you become unwilling to accept without question the nature of your experience.

           Just a few thoughts  -   You can cut the wires with your finger if you imagine your finger is a cutting torch.  

                                         -  to counter the dogs or any other pest that you face, just manifest a new pest.   I chose butterflies, because of the irony.  I cup my hands and release them into the air.  While doing this, I tell them that I want them to defend me.  Ever see a dog try to catch a butterfly : )
                                         -  another nifty trick is the spiderman web shot.  Aim your hand at whatever you want to hit and shoot a web string at it.  Don't do this until you are good at cutting the wires, because in order to separate yourself from whatever you shoot you will have to break that bond.  You may notice a similarity in the material of the web and the wires.                        Good luck......

I found a book on the subject, but it only gives details about levels 34&35 as a combined state.  It says that these levels are a meeting spot for different parts of one entity to regroup.  I also found a statement about leaving the etheric body behind and traveling in a true state.  I took this as the separation of the soul from the spirit.  Is this a common topic or are there any articles/threads here.  I have searched without any luck.  Any thoughts?

So I'm new to the idea of focus levels, and after reading a little about them I wanted to see where I was at.  I concentrated on focus 23 and told myself I wanted to see it.  I started to move down and stopped myself because I had thought that it would be higher than where I was.  I then decided I wanted to see the highest realm I was able to enter and started moving back up.  I ended up on a multi-colored slide, but I was sliding up instead of sliding down.  At the very top of the slide was a small round hole.  So whats the highest focus we can actually enter?

Just curious - what would be the other building blocks beside energy?  I guess I am a little confused.

Yeah the wooshing sound is a good thing if you are trying to oobe, its a bad thing if you just want to sleep.


  On the buzzing.  Controlled breathing is an excellent way achieve mind awake/body asleep.  When you get to the buzzing you may try focusing on it instead of your breathing.  The breathing is a tool to get you to the buzzing.  The buzzing is your cue that you are at the threshold to oobe or lucid state.
  The excitement and loss of buzzing is the exact same thing as the above.  Remember that while you start to experience new things, you will have to work through almost all of your emotions.  An excellent example is breathing itself.  When you cross the threshold from physical to spiritual, you can't be concerned with you physical body and if it is getting oxygen or not.  You may find yourself submerged in water or in the middle of space.  Your concern with breathing will induce fear of suffication and you will zap back to your physical.  Hope that made sense.

Your first experience seems like a very common initial step in identifying your own awareness.  My first experience was almost exactly like this.  I felt like I was in space with no gravity and was just kinda floating.  

  Your next experience is referred to as sleep paralysis.  The reason for this is that your brain will switch off your motor skills active connection.  For instance, if you were having a dream about running, and your motor skill were still active, then your physical legs would be moving back and forth.  This would make sleep very dangerous.  Your brain transitions you through the different levels of sleep and disables the motor functions when you get close to REM sleep.  All in all this means that you have achieved staying awake while your body continues to shut down.  This is a really good step to achieving oobe.  

  Again, your experiences are a lot like my own and your dream matrix is also familiar to me.  I worked out a test to figure out if I was awake or in a lucid state.  My test is to force my hand through something solid, such as a table or a wall.  If my hand goes through the object, I then know that I am not in the physical.  If not...... well it just hurts a lot.  Once you can be sure of your state of mind you can continue to investigate your surroundings and the oobe experience.  I once repeated a dream cycle 20 times, in which I kept getting a drink of water.  It was the deja vu that alerted me to the possibility that I was dreaming.

You might read "do drugs impair oobe" thread in this forum.

 As for the vibrations.

 Do a search for "vibration" or "buzzing sound"  , this should bring up a lot of good threads.

 The vibration is typically indicates that you are very close to achieving oobe or a close lucid state.  If you are trying to oobe, then try allowing the vibration to absorb you.  You can do this by focusing on the vibration and allowing the intensity to build.  Once the vibrations peak, they should subside until they are very faint.  If you don't allow them to intensify they will most likely stop and restart as you are describing.  There is nothing wrong with just letting them stop and restart if thats what you want.

Drugs are mind altering and can be dangerous.  Don't do drugs, there are better highs.

  The reason some find it easier to oobe while on medication.


   The doorway to oobe is lucid dreaming.  The ability to be fully conscious and aware while in the dream state.  To achieve this you must keep your mind awake while your body falls into a state of rest.  The normal wiring for us as humans is to shut the active mind and the body down at the same time.  In order to achieve lucid dreams or oobe, you must re-train your mind not to shut down.  The racing mind is a common effect of medication.  You lie down and try to go to sleep, but your mind won't shut off and you constantly keep thinking about things.  This is a precursor to lucid dreaming.  The down side is that with medication induced mind awareness, you can't control the speed at which your mind functions.  Some  that oobe use a step method in which you allow your body to slowly fall asleep and keep your mind in check on a regular basis.  It is important to be able to stay in control.

Heart rate and breathing are typically the major factors for abruptly ending oobe especially if it is new.  Its easy to get too excited and allow your emotions to overide your control of your physical body.  This is really your bodies way of keeping tabs on you.  If you get scared or too happy, you will usually be drawn back.  Try to move forward by pacing your actions.  If you are able to free your arms, then do that and explore as much as you can with touch.  When you are comforable with that, take another step.  If you feel any anxiety slow down and deal with it as this will enable you to continue.

Kinda confused about your question.  Is insomnia something that has started recently?  
 
 Normal questions: medications, change in day to day life(living situation,moved), high stress, depressed,concerns etc.....

 
 Is attempts at oobe or meditation/enery work seem to be a part of this?
 
 Any dreams, nightmares, terrors?

True, it will vary from person to person, but the best method I have found is simply seeing through your eyelids.

    I have a popcorn textured ceiling and I will concentrate on being able to see that texture.  Most of the times it takes a few minutes and you can start to see the texture.  As you continue to focus and zero in on the picture, you should start to shift into oobe.  Sometimes you may begin to see something else like a door or a dresser.  Whatever is the most familiar and easiest to see is what you should use to focus in on.  Don't expect to sit up and be in your exact room in this time.  It depends a lot on what your focus was.  Pulsing, surging and the clarity in which you see are pretty common.  Once practiced and achieved you will realize that you always have access to this realm by merely seeing it with your spiritual eyes(some refer to as third eye) ......... good luck!!

major tom - Im not sure exactly what anyone elses experiences are like, but for me being bored hasn't been an issue.  Typically the reality of the experience is very hard to discern from this reality.  Just spending time looking at their vehicals and small electronics can be extremely fascinating.  I went to the zoo a few weeks ago and spent some time looking at the turtles.  How long could you spend just exploring a zoo in 30 minute increments.  

  paker7 - I appreciate what your saying and I may have to give that thought process a second look.  In my experience, I can manifest from within myself any object I want.  I can move objects with my mind, typically metal objects are easiest.  I can levitate or fly when I choose.  I can produce psi balls with distinct functions.  I can emit an electrical charge that looks like lightning from my finger tips.  When I encounter something that seems dangerous, I typically levitate it into the air and toss it away.  If it continues to approach I will typically draw my sword.  Maybe my imagination is limiting my choices here.  Any insight on more imagenative alternatives?

I have had oobe for 13 years, typically 2-3 times a day.  This never has been self induced, just the natural wiring of my brain I guess.  I can read the other posts and relate to most all the experiences, but I have some questions that maybe the collective mind can help me answer.

   I seem to be drawn to one specific place in the astral.  It is filled with people and communities much like our world.  The seasons change, the faces change, but the landscape is always the same.  I can watch the stars,  the moon, the clouds and the sun.  I know this place very well.  I also know that after I arrive it is only a matter of time before I am escorted out.  In this world tele-kenisis seems to be limited to ones like me, and is not appreciated when used.  I just want to look around a bit, kinda do the tourist thing, but I seem to have a magnetic personality.  This place has guardians, and it only takes a few minutes before they locate me and try to confront me.  To me they appear as dogs, typically wolves but sometimes dobermans.  I think this may only be a mental obscurity, though they do act as such.  My defense has strengthened over the years and a few dogs are typically not a big deal, but they seem to be coming in great numbers now.  First only a few, then as I fend them off more and more, until I no longer know how many are in front and how many are in back of me.  The people here seem to dislike my presence, but a few have been more willing to help.  A girl I met there told me that they only attack because they feel threatened.  I don't know why they feel threatened though.  I know the logical answer is to go somewhere else, but like I said I am naturally drawn to this place.  Wouldn't it make sense that I should explore it.  

  My questions - As far as self defense goes, (besides the handy sword or psi ball) is there a deterrent to use that will fend off the masses without draining me completely.  Any other thoughts on how to become less threatening.  I have no ill intentions when I am there, I stay out of the buildings and other private domains and I make sure to be especially pleasant and respectful.    Thanks for your thoughts.