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The questions is valid.

Theoretically there should be no reason why not:

The physical plane, if it is "vibrating" at all ( would be great if this could be measured somehow, eh?) can not be vibrating at the lowest possible vibration.. there is no "lowest vibration"; there is always one lower....

Could there be a frequency that is lower than 1 cycle per second?  Why, yes: 1 cycle per 10 seconds.. or 100 seconds. or one cycle per gazillion gillion trillion millenia.  Granted, things will happen very (VERY!) slowly, relative to a realm that zinked on and off at 1 CPS (cycle per second), but things would still happen there..

Until we can say precisely, in a thin lipped and thickly bespectacled scientificky type measurable repeatable manner what in tarnation it is that we are (or would hope to be) measuring and how fast it is cycling, though, we really have only a vague clue as to what we might be talking about.

THe Astral plane is not as "grainy" as the physical plane seems to be,  in my (limited) experience.  So that would at least support the notion that the AP has a higher vibration... but what is vibrating and how fast does it go...?  Can these vibrations be registered by any independent thing at all? Anyone that can figure out a way to measure this will be halfway to solving the universe!

MH

The questions is valid.

Theoretically there should be no reason why not:

The physical plane, if it is "vibrating" at all ( would be great if this could be measured somehow, eh?) can not be vibrating at the lowest possible vibration.. there is no "lowest vibration"; there is always one lower....

Could there be a frequency that is lower than 1 cycle per second?  Why, yes: 1 cycle per 10 seconds.. or 100 seconds. or one cycle per gazillion gillion trillion millenia.  Granted, things will happen very (VERY!) slowly, relative to a realm that zinked on and off at 1 CPS (cycle per second), but things would still happen there..

Until we can say precisely, in a thin lipped and thickly bespectacled scientificky type measurable repeatable manner what in tarnation it is that we are (or would hope to be) measuring and how fast it is cycling, though, we really have only a vague clue as to what we might be talking about.

THe Astral plane is not as "grainy" as the physical plane seems to be,  in my (limited) experience.  So that would at least support the notion that the AP has a higher vibration... but what is vibrating and how fast does it go...?  Can these vibrations be registered by any independent thing at all? Anyone that can figure out a way to measure this will be halfway to solving the universe!

MH

Come to think of it, I am not sure there are ANY two entities that speak the exact same language, though we often think that we do.

It's a curious fact then that people who do not speak the same language at all  have the fewest instances of miscommunication:  They do not make the mistake of assuming that they understand each other at any level.

Too, a dynamic here might be that the imagery may be speaking to "the dream mind" as it speaks to us: in symbols.

I like the idea.  :Talking to your dreaming self in its own language. Crisp, simple, economical, directive.

Edgar Cayce wrote somewhere that Lapis Lazuli (something like that) taped or somehow affixed to the forehead would assist OBE, as I recall, or possibly prophecy... it has been decades since I read the passage.  I have not tried this.  If I do, I will simply wrap in a bandana around my head.

Casteneda speaks of sleeping with quartz crystals between the fingers to facilitate dreaming. (As I recall it was someone in a dream that told him of this method).

There are three things muddy understanding here.

1) The placebo effect: Simply by supposing something, we apparently tend to affect results after the fashion of the expectation.

2) Taking ANY action with the idea of intending a result seems to have the property of effecting results in the direction of the intent.  This is related to theplacebo effect but  that some action is initiated by the individual, as opposed to his being a passive experiencer. (Put three coins beneath your bed to facillitate dreaming.  Or three cans of peas. Or a small bud vas with a rose in in it.  You'll see.)

3) It should be expected that there will be some commonality across populations but that many things will not be universal:  Of 5 billion people, a palladium bracelet may send three people directly to the cosmic astral, not even passing "Go", while causing thirty others to develop a craving for pineapple, and give 250,000 others a mild rash. while the rest of the 5 billions would experience onlya modest diminuation of spending cash.

But, both on the authorities of the above stated remarks (Cayce, Casteneda) and others like then, and on the suggestion of logic itself (it DOES make sense), we might ought to take the suggestion that materials have effects seriously.  It would be great to have a separate board for the topic (The Uses of Materials), as fruitful as it might become. And maybe on such a board we could co-oridnate exploratory efforts.

MH

Maybe a shift in frame of reference will help:  Maybe not suppose so much abou t astral projection and whether Astral realms are "real" (but, ah... what DOES that word mean afterall, eh?)  But rather that we are chunks of stuff that calls it self "counsciousness" that can have experience,  projecting into a physical world.  "Is the physical world real?  Do experiences with other people or objects mean anything there? Or is it all just illusion?  What's the point?"

If there IS any point (and it may well be that there is only a point if we (each individual) DECIDE that there shall be), the same objective probably operates in both realms.  Shorter way to say the same thing:  Astral doings are as meaningful or pointless as physical doings.  In either case, the only thing you ought to be doing is something that you have a heart for, that you feel inspired to do, that in some sense belongs to you.  The particular realm it which it happens to occur seems to be a circumstantial matter of suitability and style choice.

FWIW, a couple thoughts:

1) Where time travel becomes possible, time in effect becomes two dimensional.  Think of it:  Say, every instance that someone revisits the Battle of Gettysburg, if they can act (if not, then the B of G would be presenting as a "read only memory"; and so one would not be going back there as pa participant, but only as in the reading of a very good history book) then the event changes is some way.  That is to say, the event itself keeps changing.. going through an independently emeging time "line".  Events then become "places".  1964 is a place where things  happen, for example, and continue to do so: The New York World's Fair is still open and presumably, still has the feel of the time.

2) Consaciousness really does seem to be water like:  when you smush two pieces of it up against one another they become to some extent co-operative.  So when you go and visit your awareness somewhere, it is reasonable to expect, as a matter of course, a two way flow of "stuff".  Good, bad or nonvalent, things seems to leak from one person to the other. Here are three examples taken from real life.  It is much easier to find oneself thinking complex inteersting thoughts in a region near a large university: it is almost as though the air itself is used to carrying a more complex type of mentation.  I suspect that this is a combination of group consciousness which is very loose and somewhat intermittent, as well as the region being permeated with thought forms.  This is a sort of general example of a "good" effect.  One that was most people would regard as not so favourable is the case of a person who acquired a boot fetish at the same time as one of his friends mysteriously lost interest the very same fetish. It was as though that particular piece of consciousness, whatever it was, was materially transferred from the one being to another.  In a neutral case, I once made love to an egghead science guy type.  For the next several days, I had the most peculair sensation of having this water distortion over my eyes.. there was nothing there, and no real visual effect, but the sensation was unmistakable.  When I realized I was sensing HIS experience of wearing his contact lenses, the effect dimished and gradually faded away.  And lastly, on this, back in college I knew two girls that were close friends to eachother.  Very different types, one was a reserved, circumspect anglophile, while the other emulated Janis Joplin in possibly every way.  One day the two went off on an acid trip together.  When next I saw them,  "Janis" had come into posession of a new diffidence relative to her experiences; they had become something to be mulled over quietly, or not, rather than something to be hypnotized and carried away by.  Her friend, in turn had become shockingly boisterous.  Even some mannerisms, microbehavioral patterns, verbal/language structures seem to have transferred.  Too, I think it is possible for consciousness to relatively seperate, afterall, how many times have we had the experience of duality, feeling somewhat in body but also at a distant place. Seth (Jane Robert's books) has stated that everytime we consider a thing or place we in some measure beging to project energy to that place... the intensity of the intent corresponding to  the intensity of the projection.

All that said, the path to clear things up is the existential one: All there is is you, and the direction you are heading in.   What do you mean to be doing and why?  If you want to be visiting a former or alternative self, just have a reason for doing so.  Remain aware that every action we take has its costs, risks, and surpirse potential as well as whatever rewards we may hope ensue.

all just my opinions and ruminations,
MH

The simplest solution is the best:   Don't talk about it with her.  Presumable her opinions will change when she kicks the bucket.  If she is going out her way to make a pain in the butt about it of herself,  I would be inclined to become less available.

Alternatively, if you are the sporting type, consider feigning posession and scare the sh*t out of her: Tell her spirits have been hovering about lately and that you are a bit worried... then start to gurgle, grimace and writhe... all fairly quietly and not too much motion at first.  When she is starting to really wonder and get sucked in, suddenly jump up and make a loud shout or scream.  With any luck at all she won't stop running till she clears the county line, eh?

arrrg.

Forgot to include this thought in the above:

Given Mr. Bruce's insight that we have several  individual interacting interdependent "concsioussnesses", ie physical, etheric, astral mental and  what not, and that they collectively form  "our self" much as, to use another mystic's metaphor, chamber music is formed at the participation of many independent cooperating operatives, then it makes sense to suppose that at each level there is a form of the subjective/objective issue.

As with so many early thoughts, it doesn't clear anything up, but seems to makes the fog a little less unmanageable.

Here it is:

http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze5b.html

If you find the story suspicious please post here so that others are not misled.

Thanks,
MH

Really interesting discussion going on here

The question of when subjective impressions are internally generated as opposed to registering something external, or the nature of the combinations possible, is a really interesting one that I have been facing for some time now, without a whole lot of success I might add.  

I do use test questions...  "Would the unconscious have any reason to produce such an impression?" ; "Does the content have any emotional valence for myself and if so what is it?"  Any kind of "yes" answer means I tend to strongly discount the possibility that the impression refers to outside activity.

Too, thoughts, feelings and impressions all have a particular "flavor"  or "feel" to them that identifies,the source once it has become familiar.... mush the same as all the thoughts of a person have a family resemblance, so to speak.... and it can be pretty obvious, if a person is aware, when a thought feeling or impression that would not ordinarily be his shows up.

For example, and this may be a weak one but it is fairly solid...  Back as a youngster, I once made love to someone with fairly strong myopia.  For several days after that, I kept having the impression of having some sort of watery bubble on my eyes.... I realized later that it was the impression "from the inside" of my significant other's contact lenses...  something with which I was completely unfamiliar, as I was, at that time, with the very idea that such a thing was even possible.

But to return to the original missive about the muddiness of things when we discover that we do indeed create (both individually and collectively) our own reality,  I have good news

It was widely reported in the press a couple three years ago that a passel of scientists had cooped up some professedly non-eating swami in a lab for a few weeks, thinking to out him as some sort of crank.  It turned out that he was the real McCoy, outing instead the reality that materialist models of reality leave some things completely unexplainable.  I will hunt for a link to the story, if I can find it I Will post.

MH

I have distinct  memories of regularly floating off into the realtime zone with two separate pets.  This was at different times in my life.  Both were small dogs.  It never happened with larger dogs or any other animal.  I had as well formed close bonds with both dogs, and remember having got the impression at the time that it had something to do with the smallness of the little dog's astral body and that it somehow was meshed with mine when we splept together.  The dog would go lifting off into RTZ and by some sort of mild tractor beam process apparently brought me along.

MH.

It's an interesting question and one that I have puzzled over some myself, as I like my occultist notions to be workable.. tangibly useful.


The idea of The clock speed of an operating computer might shed a little light on the matter: The faster the clock speed, the more data that computer can process in a given amount of time.  To leap directly to the point.. the "higher frequency" of your latest appo-zappo Pentium 5000 makes it possible to have luxurious sound and color  to display information.... compare that with the good ole klunk-o-matic Commodore 64, eh?  That older machine, even if it had all the time in the world, could never begin to do what the the much faster one does.  This faster vibration makes it possible for the computer to not only  "act with a more fluid and richer expression", but also it can  read information through its sensing devices that much more quickly and richly as well.  So, whatever this higher vibration stuff is, there is one model to work with.

Now here is a second.... and this one is relative to the the "perceiver".  Imagine a medium sized boat toodlling across the wide sea. Waves that it may meet up with are roughly of three kinds:  Those much larger than it (say... waves that are longer than maybe twice the length of the boat) waves that are less than half the length of boat.. so,  much shorter than the boat, and waves that are roughly the size of the boat.  The long waves don't give the boat much trouble... it rides up them, and then down the other side.  Small waves present no grief at all.... the boat rides over several at once and doesn't even notice them.  But waves the same size as the boat give it a rough ride indeed,... smacking the boat, (which is of the same wavelength and therefore able to sense and receive the maximum energy of the wave), back and forth, up and down, quite unpleasantly.  So this snapshot of vibration suggests to us that for any particular wave or frequency there is an ideal perceiving device that in part is the same length as the primary wave.... and also that for any sensing device, it will hear certain wave(s) best.

In general, we have the principal that the shorter the wave the higher the frequency.... the smaller the particle, the greater the CPS that it tends to rattle around at..  This "Astral Stuff", of which the nether world is apparently made, is said to be "finer" which means smaller, which again implies a "higher frequency" and indeed, we seem to get the same "enhanced reality" kinds of results as we did with the higher frequency computer clock....  toodling about on the astral plane,  reality can seem much much richer...... even the colors are sensuous to the point of distraction... sounds can be so rich as to be unimaginable to put into written form of music.  Emotional subtleties there simply cannot  be fathomed in our  relatively coarse physical plane.



Since we most pain-in-the-assedly do not have any means at this point of  absolute measure ( as in "Hey man!  I got my astral body up to 30,000 gigahertz the other night and made it all the way to the cosmic buddhic plane in a whole nother dimension!") we are stuck hunting around for relative measures  ....   (I have a higher vibration than I did yesterday, but not as high as it was last week") and even these are discomfit tingly subjective.

Hmm.  What to do? Well if the whole pile of fluff above is correct, it must be that if the astral (or consciousness itself, if you like) operates at varying clocking speeds,  then some indication of the currently clocking speed ought to be had by simply noticing what one is perceiving.  (Way Duh, I know ;-/  )   Too then, this suggest that  if the quality of the reality you are perceiving is a function of the rate of "astral frequency", then selecting for certain perceptions may well encourage or sensitize or habituate the perceiver to that specialized frequency.. whether higher, lower, or of different timbre.  This gives us:  "reading spiritual books may tend to raise our vibration.... or adjust it to that range..... watching porn gets or vibrations going more in THAT direction (which, for some people, oddly enough , might still be"up") .    But this gives us nothing new here either.  That song from the Sound of Music, "My Favorite Things" summed it up rather well after all I guess.  Too, it is hard to be depressed (which I way associate with low frequency slow type vibes) or even lethargic when listening to high energy rock and roll.. literally, the faster the beat (up to a point, and that point seems to be closely allied with the ability of the physical body to move to it in some manner) the higher the energy of the music..

Well after all that puzzling I did not arrive at much of an answer I am afraid.  But I DO feel more solidly grounded in my confusion. <{;-D

What we need is an astralometer that will give a reliable accurate reading of rate (and quality?) of the vibrations of whatever astrally thing we want to measure.  ... and in order for THAT to happen, it needs to be made of, or sensitive to astral material.    

Ideas anyone?

MH

Hello and thanks for sharing that interesting experience!

Since it sounds like there are getting to be quite a pile of projectors out there, it might be interesting to use this particular niche in this vast vast website for people to record the date and time (GMT preferably)  of events they experience as Astral Pulse related.  Other things that might be included are the lay of the land one experiences oneself to be in at the time... ie.. where do you seem to be (London? Morocco?  Over at Joe's sinking a beer over on the eastern flank of the third subplane of the cosmic astral?)  .. what time of day it seems to be in the experience.. where (from what perceived direction) does the pulse seem to be coming from etc.

The idea is that maybe some interesting patterns might emerge.

and a brief digression... in dreams I ofttimes will experience  a definite geographic sense of direction... I will "just know that such and such a direction is West or North, by "feel"/  Does anyone else have this happen?  And if so, what do you think about that?

Thanks All,
MH

An interesting idea for sure.. but it looks like it went by the wayside?  Or is everyone just disappeared off to the island and not bothering to post on the physical plane anymore?

2 Things come straight to mind:

1) Everyone has read Dr. Tart's  multiple hypnotic induction experiment where he sank two grad students into what turned out to be a (whole nother) reality that they shared, recounting, when they surfaced, similar tales of shared experiences, even though while atrance they mostly just sat there, vegetable like.  The sense I got out of it is that  it is easy to hypothesize that wherever to awarenesses congregate to create a reality, it tends to happen.  Same with the Toronto poltergeist deal, I suppose, where a group got together and created from scratrch a spirit with a history and a name and so on.. and after several months the thing actually started knocking about and tippiung tables or whatever they do.

2)  It is a great idea, but certainly it has been puzzled out before?  Or maybe to go at the same thought from a different angle:   Surely there are piles of locations already established "there"...?  Maybe one of those those might work as well or better?  Or too, you could use a location that is physical as well... that way it would be pretty definite.. something that everyone would "know".. the top of the Eiffel tower say....  But too... if we are to use "Astral" constructions, on what sublane is it best to use?  Or would it be possible to have parrellell constructions on the various subplanes?  Maybe it could even have an elevator in it to go up and down the planes?

Anyways,   I have taken the pic (API) and wallpapered it on my puter screen.  Gosh, watch.  I will project (finally!) and no one will be there!  I guess I could leave a sigh for when someone DOES show up, eh?

MH

MH

I rarely foresee things per se.

That said, Every time I see a news story about that new bridge in France,supposedly the biggest in the world,  I get this weird scene that unwinds in my head:

Somewhere late this year or in 1st half of 2k6, there is a small device that is detonated at one end or the other of the thing.  There is no real damage.  Rather, it is done as a clandestine operation at the behest of US intelligence agents... it is made to  look like one of the Muslim factions are responsible, and the US wanted to swing French public sentiment. (That the US is behind it is never made public, of course).  The whole event goes largely unnoticed though.. it makes the news, but not the lead story, and is soon forgotten... as at this point, the conflict there in the middle east has become regional, expanding into Iran, Turkey, and  the "stans" region.  The US is driven out. of most of the area.

Right.

The request as stated was for "complete information about phasing".

B,W.

MH

Hiya Donal.

You can surely change your perception of it!  You can change your perception of it by emphasizing some sensations and perceptions and even ideas while dimming others... and this is a matter of emphasis (quantity)  Your experience can also undergo what in physics as a "state change" (Water to ice is a commonly cited example, the conductivity of supercooled fluids is another).. and in this case... it really seems to be more about how information is processed.. so the emphasis here is on "software".  (Reality, for an engineer, is a vastly different thing than it is for a watercolor artist, say) In yet another example, it is possible in the commerce of the "spirit" world, to effect trades, acquire "spiritual capital", or to invest it etc.  Here you can discover that "you" have been "added to" or "subtracted from"...  If you somehow klonk into a cougar spirit and get suffused with its energy, to take a hypothetic example. Your experience of the world will have elements of this new cat dynamic.  This is a "qualitative change"

Note that you can have more than one kind of change going on at the same time. It can be both instructive and amusing.  But not to be at it when operating heavy machinery, eh?  </;-D

As to whether we can ever effect real changes in the tangible world (... if either thing exists!!!) in any way other than the usual "doing stuff"... I have never seen a description of an experimental form such that you would ever be able to tell if you were successful... you would need to compare realities.. the one in which you did not do the procedure that would ostensibly change things, and the one in which you did.  That is what reason has to say about that there. On the other hand though, in a book called "The Conscious Universe" a Doctor of Physics (I  am remembering his name as Dean Radin, but not sure) used a meta-analysis of the great store of "ESP" studies , and studying it all with the spectacles, he pronounced with the the thinnest lips of the white coated scientist that "There is an effect".  IE.. there is some sort of unexplained correlation between "intent" and a disturbance in the reality that we would have expected to prevail had the "intent" had no effect.  (Note that causation is not established:  Bizzarro as it sounds events creating the will to precipitate them is not ruled out, for example).  So given all that, maybe the short answer to your question might be summed up in this fashion:

"Yes."

<[|;-D

But a little bird tells me this:  If your heart were a thing that saw by the "light" it shed, the direction in which it then looked would precipitate the reality that suits it best...   sort of like a black hole precipitating and at the same time traveling through a worm hole... it opens up before it and closes away behind.... the black hole, by virtue of its "gravity" travels on to unimaginable places.

MH

Pretty much, "Phasing", if you really want to understand it, you will need math.

You will want algebra, college algebra, pre calc, calc, and then off into Fourier equations.



Good stuff though and worth the work.. I am slowly making my away along self teaching.

But FWIW, and it may not be worth much, my (MY) impression of "phase stuff" described in a not too mathy way, runs about like this:

Abstractly, it is about any behavior that can be modeled using repeating waves, usually sine waves... and specifically.. the displacement of the wave form relative to itself.

A good perceptual example is to experiment with the "phase" button on your home stereo system...as you turn up the phase... it seems as though it "gets more spacious".  If you have time and want to try a great fun teen agey thing....  take your favorite CD and copy it over to tape.  Then, Using separate music reproduction systems, start them both at once so that they are playing the same music at the same time.  Technology being never quite perfect, they will gradually move into or through  or out of phase with eachother...  and it is a fun listen!  If you get them to start at exactly the same (which is not easy to do if you aren't a DJ type) they will sound like a good deep stereo sound, eventually one will lead the other (in phasey talk.... one signal is said to lead (or follow) the other by a certain amount, given in degrees).  as this separation grows... the music begins to sound more and more spacious... a nice deep phase that then begins to sound like a huge auditorium.. and then it becomes a definite echo affair for a while... and that is an interesting zone that I think a lot of folks experience differently...  eventually they become so far apart that the sense it that a single time bifurcated and is wandering off in a different direction.

Certain altered states of conscious are just dripping with audio phasing.. things, whether strictly in the mind or actually heard in the physical environment, get that rich "deep" spacey, even echoey (refereed to as "trails" in some circles) feel to them.. and this can cross over into visual and tactile perception as well. These "sounds" are easily mimicked by the way.. and for some folks can be some what trance inducey.

I am digressing all over the place here, eh?

Maybe try the MOnroe Institute site.. there are a few basic papers there by Skip Atwater that gives a basic run down about what their phasing is... how they induce it and so on.  Read up on sine waves though too .

Hiya Corn....~

Yeah I have seen those little sparkly spots too.... generally looking away from the sun on a bright day, but also at other times.  Sometimes they are associated with a sudden drop in blood pressure, as when I stand up too quickly, but not always.

But let me point out something here:  Your statement was presented really quite cogently:  It clearly and concisely introduced the topic, then simply stated your experiences and their interpretation, both by your self, and to some degree, that of your doctor.  There is nothing at all in the piece that you wrote that would suggest  any sort of "psychotic difficulties".  In fact, your level of self awareness, circumspection, awareness of your milieu and the distinct LACK of fantasy content and projection, (other than possibly interpreting the lights as fairies.. and it has not been established that they are not...  the lights do travel along with us as we move, indicating that their location is relative to the perceiver, rather than fixed in a physical space, but does not rule out an interpretation of faeries, technically) all rather point to the opposite suggestion, that is, that you are really pretty well on the ball.

Classic bipolarity, also known as manic depressive disorder, is characterized by big swings in perceived energy levels... especially thinking energy, or will, and feeling.  But it is not at all usual, nor part of the classical description, to have visual hallucinations.  Distortions in judgment are quite common, seeing things as much more or less important than they really might normally considered to be.  So you might want to talk to some other professionals to get other opinions.... psychiatrists tend to be the most closed minded, interpreting everything that they see with an outlook that is traditionally Freudian, or else chemical, and decidedly unmillenial, and you might get more useful assistance from a social worker or psychologist.  A psychiatrist is medical doctor that also has a degree in psychology, as well as some additional training, but unfortunately, unless you are paying top dollar for the premium product here, what you get in practice is a guy that will match up what you tell him with medical chemistry that is available for him to prescribe.

Now also let me add something about bipolarity.  In some, though probably not all cases, a person is quite intelligent.  30 IQ points above average, say. If the person is balanced, his emotional sensitivity is also quite refined then (if he thinks of his feelings, he is likely to bring the same level of sensitivity and self awareness to that "department").  The mainstream has little idea of how difficult life is for these people. But consider, if an "average person" (IQ about 110) had the experience of most of the people around him being thirty points lower on the scale (at 80, that is mildly retarded) .. it could well drive him to distraction:  The extreme idiocy and insensitivity of those around him can be quite discouraging and demoralizing. Add to all that the lunacy and instability of the world today, and depression would seem to be the thing to expect. The manic part comes from the excitement when you can see your way through to a solution, or some other insight that one might find satisfying. But remember, I do not mean to say that all bipolarity comes to us this way, but I think that some does.  

Please keep reading and learning things though, and figuring things out.  And do talk to some other professionals that you feel comfortable with.  You have a good solid mind, a fellow can go to a lot of interesting places with one of those!  

MH

For a different perspective on the "problem of the kinds"

We tend to differentiate when we need to (the Eskimo's jillion different words for "snow" being the case most commonly used to illustrate the point); Yet also we try to avoid excessive differentiation when we are still very new to a concept, or have only a glancing interest in it. ( I have only a few words for "snow", and they are "what are the fares to Florida these days?"

So.. if I were new to the "twenty something" regions... I might tend to want to leave them blurred as one thing for the time being.... still trying to sort them out from the teens and what all.  But the more you learn about a thing, the better you know it eh?  Indeed, having a doctorate degree ought to imply something along the lines of "S/He knows his business to seven levels of differentiation, and the creatures that might populate those levels".  Here's another way to think of it:  To someone from outer Mongolia, Austin, Lubbock, Houston and Dallas are all "Texas"... but My!

ONE of the reasons, I fancy, and that is all that it is is fancy, that we incarnate on this bizzarro planet, is that it is a "Place of Kinds", that in  most regions of the multiverse, things don't seemingly self sort into kindness anymore than do objects of the physical plane glow with their own light.  That is part of the reason why this operation is such a sought ofter destination. So I fancy.

Happy Holidays all!

MH

LOL.... It sounds like you are having way too much fun there, Doug!

Seriously, though,
this sort of thing is perfectly in keeping with Mr. Bruce's model:  ie, Several independent, yet interdependent, "places" the likes of which can support... provide the platform for, if you like, consciousness, and even consciousness of complexity sufficient to reference itself.

The (your) experience raises a great class of questions!

1) "Which" chunks of Being are being conscious here?  .. and what are the strengths, weaknesses, "flavors" of each?

2) What brings about this dual operating mode?  What inhibits it?  Is the experience replicable?  Is the appreciation/experience of any particular object, by this "stereoscopy", as it were,  as deepened as expectation might have it?

3) Is it possible to sport about in full operation with two minds at once 24/7?  Would it even be desirable?  (After all, ONE mind is bad enough, pesky as they are with demanding center stage and all).  If Yes and Yes, and the two minds was the custom, would they not come to synthesis in their actual operation, and be experienced as one, albeit far deeper, even as with our two eyes we experience but one sense of vision?

4) What exactly are the dynamix involved in the information flow (if that is what we should call it) between the two systems?  What is the first indication that it is occurring?... that is to say... in one of the "minds", there must be some little circuit, some little voice, that says to the rest of its  mind something along the lines of  "Hey!  there is someone else about thinking out loud!  What gives?"  I'm not expressing this well, but hopefully the notion comes across.

5)  Then there's the whole suite of questions that flow from the very idea of mind melding.... if two can meld, why not three?  Must they all belong to the same person?   Can one mind, amoeba like, bifurcate into two?  Can two lovers meld their minds into one?  If so, and they truly wish to permanently wish to be "one", might they then for at least convenience of proximity incarnate into one body together, next go round?  Can this mind merging business conduct across species, as in the case of various totem shaman?

Gosh, I sure can ramble!  Sorry!

I should use one of my other minds when out surfing the boards....~

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MH

Hello and glad that you are feeling better.

The first thing to look at with dreams like that is the obvious sensation-induced fantasy... it could well be that you were digesting something unusual, or with a higher than normal sulfur content, etc, and burping while you slept, caused a dream to form and spread out to before and after moments.   Swedenborg wrote in one of his books about carefully watching, in the hypnogogic state, dream images form, and I have actually seen this myself, where a given emotion will spin itself into complex figures.   Too stomach acid "burns".  So then, Had you eaten anything unusual or had something happen  that may have interfered with your digestion?

Regards,
MH

Hello all..

What an interesting site!

As to episodes with Astral Police:

Back in the mid 90's I'd got hold of the Monroe tapes ( I'm sure you are all aware of them) and in short order was getting on nicely in the lucid dream business.  One night, I realized ( I forget how exactly everything was ordered after all these years ) that if I could get someone else to "wake up in the dream too" that would be great. So I did.  I grabbed some guy that had been wandering about and shook him, and explained that we were dreaming, but that we could be awake too.. something like that... at first he said "yeah, yeah sure..." but I persisted again and you could see the magic rising in his eyes as he "got it".  At the same time that that happened, the dream became much much more solid and "real".  I was very glad: I "knew" that I could now stay as long as I wanted, with this level of solidity.  Alas the phone rang ;-/

But to get to the point one night not long after,  I was on the hunt for some one to wake up again when I suddenly found "myself" yanked off to some strange limbo-y place.  Now... this chunk of self of which I was aware was like nothing that I had ever identified as "self"... it did not "think" or speak... it seemed without volition.. it almost seemed like nothing, if that makes sense.. but it was a very real chunk of "something" that was somehow "me" "there".  And I could hear a voice.. this guy was complaining how I was breaking some sort of agreement by running allover time and space trying to wake people up.  Then there was a second voice.. it sounded like a no nonsense yet very jaded bureaucrat or judge, and he just nailed me with his decision:   " Mr. X", (he actually addressed me by my last name), "You are in violation of your agreement... If this continues your existence will be terminated".  No response was sought from me... and as I said, that part of me seemed totally without volition..  I simply woke up.  Needless to say, my lucid doings damped down after that.

There was actually another dream before that... which I understood to be depicting 1998... the Chinese had taken over the US, and on the whole the society as one sees it day to day was very neat clean orderly and safe feeling.  However behind the scenes were scenes of torture... the primary objective of which seemed not so much to cause physical pain as to shatter minds.  This society had as part of its interpersonal communication custom some odd form of hand communication which somehow supplemented the verbal.  I was able to wing it a little at first, but was shortly busted, though the woman that caught me seemed to regard it as more a matter on the seriousness of a kid's going in through an out door, .. trifling and without ill intent.

MH