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Alright, i feel the need to post a reply again. Don't worry Major Tom

Whenever i try that " waking up early " trick, i just feel terribly hungover, and when i go sit on the couch to try to get into a trance i just feel cold and uncomfortable and i just want to go to bed. I feel like an idiot so i just go back to bed. Maybe it works for some people, but definitely not for me....

Here is what works best for me.

When my girlfriend works an early shift and i work a late one ( we are both working in a hospital ) she always wakes me up to say goodbye. I'm usually in my last cycle of sleep anyway, so most of the time she wakes me up in the middle of a dream.

So here it comes : When i go back to sleep, i just picture the last place I've been at in the dream VERY CLEARLY when falling asleep. Most of the time I'll dream the same dream again, but this time with more  consciousness, or lucidity, whatever you call it. I can then control my dream. Then i simply increase clarity ( just by asking or demanding, works fine ! ) and I AP.

I don't always have vibes, and I'm not sure it's an actual projection every time or if it's something internal. It is always very cool and very easy to do, though, so i try it a lot.

Best results so far !

Have fun ! -Joerii

You didn't tell us how the porn was. Was it any good ?

[Huwie, your post was not wasted. I am happy NEW did work for you, and it proves that it's a good and very helpful thing to become aware of your body's energy, and how to harness it's powers. I hope you continue your studies, and that you use your newfound knowledge, and become enthusiastic enough, to research some REAL energy work, like Yoga, Tai Chi or Chi Gong. There are so many good books to read on the subject. Do yourself a favor and read some.]

Oh well, that post of mine was wasted after all.  You're a troll.

Haha that post was definitely wasted, but not because off me. Because it sucked, had no valuable content whatsoever and YOU are a pathetic loser,  thats why.

Now, thats something a troll would say, right ?





Not me, however. I say :

Huwie, your post was not wasted. I am happy NEW did work for you, and it proves that it's a good and very helpful thing to become aware of your body's energy, and how to harness it's powers. I hope you continue your studies, and that you use your newfound knowledge, and become enthusiastic enough, to research some REAL energy work, like Yoga, Tai Chi or Chi Gong. There are so many good books to read on the subject. Do yourself a favor and read some.

Major Tom, what do you mean, pick a fight with local celebrities ? What do you mean, they left, for all i know, most of them all still here. Not that i care to much about celebrities though ( ** turns on news to see if all the dutch celebrities left **)

I wasn't picking a fight, if thats what you mean. Just venting some irritation, and disappointment about Robert Bruces books that I ordered over the 'net and payed a lot of postage for.

Where you Dutch in a former life ? Coool !!! Where did you live ?

Heya Sailor ! Next time you start to separate from your body just raise your non-physical arms, stretch out your arms and shout :" Joeriiiiiiiiiiiii ! Help me out of here ! "

If i happen to be around sweden i'll give you a hand and lift you out You can give me a guided astral tour of your country to return a favor.

Great post Cezyl ! We seem to think the same, but you control the english language better so you can use more subtlety

Wow ! What a good read this thread has been ! Allow me to add an experience I've had a couple days ago. I agree very much with Frank, simply noticing seems much more powerful that trying to do some kind of exercise....

While i was lying in my bed after making very passionate love to my girlfriend, and feeling TOTALLY relaxed, warm and fuzzy ( you know that feeling Right ? ) i just watched the inside of my eyelids for a while. Slowly, a horizon faded into view. Being relaxed as i was, i didn't get excited enough to make it go away again, and the view got more elaborate. I noticed a very bright highway in front of me, and cars in the distance.

Everything was fuzzy and indistinct, but the horizon was getting sharper, and i felt some kind of cold wash over me.

Suddenly i was on a bicycle, speeding on that highway. The air was chilling, freezing even, but somehow very pleasant. The sun colored the sky golden, and i could see miles away, in all directions. I was going really fast on that bike, and it didn't cost me any effort at all,like i was going downhill. For some reason, i felt ecstatic. I knew i was safe in this place, this place was eternal and the most REAL place i had ever been too. I realized that i was not in the real Netherlands any more

I knew i was dreaming, or out of body. I got of the highway and decided to go for a herring sandwich, because in this place i can go and do whatever i want, and i was pretty hungry. I got of the highway, maneuvering between speeding cars like it was nothing.

I entered the fish restaurant, and everything changed. The people in the restaurant where more like dolls then real people,they just stared at me with a quizzical look on their face, empty

I bought the herring- sandwich, and stuffed the whole thing down my throat without biting anything into smaller bits. I choked and woke up.


Do you guys ( Frank ? ) know what happened when i entered that restaurant ? It felt like i entered a different, less significant ... realm.. or something.

Paker, you're a sweet guy

And you guys keep on worshipping Guru Brucurama. Some people are wired like that i guess.  Remember, NEVER broaden your horizon !!

[" ... NEW is the most advanced bioenergetic manipulation and development system in the world"]

Thank you Blake. Well, seems my post has caused some bad vibes, so it seems, i will have to do some explaining. Before i continue, i didn't mean to insult anybody. I love this forum, there are a lot of people on it with very interesting stories to tell, and there are some cool discussions going.  I am however, allergic to self proclaimed guru's with over sized ego's, and i feel Robert Bruce is a textbook case.

Karnautrahl asks " Also where does Robert Bruce actually say this himself or Brian Mercer for that matter? "

Right here http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14813&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=20

Also, when i read all those questions and answers, i noticed that most people who ask questions also give compliments on his book, his wisdom and his site. Nothing wrong with that off course! However.... mister Bruce NEVER thanks everybody for a compliment. Why not ? Because he KNOWS he's the best.

In my part of the world, thats a really nasty personal trait. I believe it's less of a problem in the USA, but again, I'm only speaking for my self here.

Karnautrahl also says " I don't recall where he says it works better than other methods specifically "

Karnautrahl, your bad memory is no excuse. Or didn't you read his book, Astral Dynamics, at all ? It has an entire page on how great NEW is. Page 106, first sentence
" ... NEW is the most advanced bioenergetic manipulation and development system in the world"




On the same page he also claims that NEW doesn't take years to learn, as he implies traditional systems do. ( sounds like a commercial on TV huh ? But wait, thats not all !! Order now and get an OBE totally free, within two months ! ) All over the book he claims to have found alternative good working methods based on a lot of theories that sound really cool but are... well. Crap. Example :

" Lets face it, 99% of people can't visualize for peanuts. "
The book is filled with statements like that. Where the heck did he get those numbers ?

NOWHERE it his book does he back up statements like that with good, scientific data or at least some kind of semi-official research. Most of his book is built on a rotten foundation, quicksand even. It was a good read, i enjoyed it . But any critical reader must agree with me that it's more entertaining than educational. **cough cough mind-split cough **

Imagine somebody would write a book claiming to have found a new way of looking at , for example, astrology. He would start of by explaining to have found a new vision on how the planets affect our lives. He never studied astrology, but he observed the sky for years and very closely analyzed how he and others around him where influenced. He discovered that there are actually a couple more zodiacal signs ( with very cool names like the NEW sign ) and some before unknown ways making horoscopes that where faster to learn, more accurate and much hipper sounding, with a lot of abbreviations. Horoscope Dynamics, by Robert Bruce. ( i want 10 % off those royalties, Bruce !)

Karnautrahl finally says : "
I feel personally that you are attempting to be somewhat provocative rather than productive which is rather arrogant in it's own right. "

I think provocation can be  productive. I don't think I'm arrogant, just critical. I notice how there is VERY few critical sounds on this forum. Maybe because a lot of people know deep down that it's all a show and they don't want to ruin that.... Am i arrogant for believing it is my duty as a freethinking Dutchman to pound some sense into you guys? Very likely so. Does it change anything about RB ( the very fact everybody abbreviates his name like he is a phenomenon instead of a person... makes me itch ) or his work? no.

Pennywise is so naive as to think that there are few books being sold on Astral Projection, and he probably thinks it's some kind of Charity for the community to publish a book on the subject. Dude, dozens of books have been written , i have two shelves off them in study room. Some of them where very successful and authors made lots of money. ( Monroe's books for example ! )


Paker7 :
" If you have doubts you can always read all reader reviews at amazon.com Rolling Eyes "

Paker7.... sigh. How nice to see you know where to find reliable sources.  Do you see a lot of negative reviews on amazon ? Why do you think this is ? Be careful, you'll have to do some actual thinking to solve that puzzle !

I do apologize for my sarcastic tone, but thats just my style.
Maybe it's to late to add, but I'm not a troll, just a skeptic.  I welcome good discussion... peace, Joerii

Mastering Astral Projection is the best guide there is. Its perfect for training as it focuses on only one thing, and that is to teach you how to have that first OBE, using a step by step achievable method. Read more about this book on the following link to my library.

Mr Bruce I find that an arrogant statement ( how do you know you've written the best book together with that other writer ? ) You seem very full of yourself, like you really think you know whats the best way to do projection. Has the idea ever crossed your mind that their may be other techniques than your own that may work better for some people ?

(a must read : D. Scott Rogo's "Leaving The body" a very cool book with 8 different techniques that are compared, evaluated, discussed and tried )

Also, you claim your NEW energy system works better then methods that have been around for thousands of years. (in your books )  You also claimed you developed it without studying those methods.... and that your way is better. HHHMPF !

I'm starting to think this whole forum is a way for you to boost your book sales.... I even wonder for how long this post is going to be here before it gets deleted.

Am i being to negative ?

Naiad, you are describing exactly what i see too ! I did some more reading, and in metaphysics it's called " clearvoance" , " real time sight"  " or astral sight " and in the study of sleep and hypnosis and other states of trance, it's often discribed as hypnagogic imagery. It's images from your subcontious " floating up" to your concious or dream mind.

subconscious or real, you decide ! It's cool and fascinating to look at, whereever it's from

Cezyl ! Last night i decided to focus on my girlfriend when the real time sight kicked in. First, i just saw some random stuff appear, stuff from my unconscious mind, i guess. I tried to make sense out of it all, and then i remembered to simply... look.... at it... to simply observer, and not to analise or interpret.

The imagery become MUCH more clear and distinct, instantly. They where not from the RTZ, though. I had flashes of shapes and scenes, and the face of my girlfriends mother. Intense colors, and moving shapes.

Wanna know what i think that happened ? I think i somehow got some kind of psychic link with my girlfriend !! I Saw what she saw, i saw her dream !

My girlfriend almost never remembers her dreams and she doesn't like me talking about OBE's and such, she think it crap. To bad huh ?

Tayesin, you sound like you've had OBE's using drugs. Which ones do you recommend specifically to get in a good trance state ? I have pretty much tried all of the mainstream drugs, except for heroin and LSD ( their just scary to me  High quantities of THC make me trance easily, but all clarity is gone , too.

Mushrooms perhaps, or Ayahuasca ?

Or perhaps some psychiatric drugs ? Vicodin is a codeine, and very suppressing in nature. What about an antidepressants or anti-psychotics ?

Am i asking to many questions ?  

A couple of nights ago I realized i was dreaming, because i was dreaming of a huge apartment tower, and they always appear in my dreams.

Anyway, for the first time, I remembered to attempt to get out of my body. I simply try to reach for my physical body, and it worked. I didn't get any vibes, and everything was normal pitch black, but i was sure that my upper body was " loose " form the rest. I felt my non-physical arms sort of... swaying above me, and i tried to float up. I noticed i couldn't, because i was still attached to my feet.

I then tried to will my feet to let go of me, and the next thing i knew i was wide awake, and totally IB. ( in body, new abbreviation for you abbreviation lovers !   )

So what do you guys and girls think i did wrong ? Was it that i focused my attention to much on my body ?

Hey dude. I experienced something very similar last night, but to me it was scary. There was a figure that looked like the grim reaper standing next to my bed that scared me senseless. I gasped and opened my eyes and didn't want to try again that night. Don't some of those faces scare you?

I've read about people that have  used LARGE quantities of hash to go OBE. They just made incredibly strong spacecake, ate it, and meditated on leaving the body.

So next time you just need to smoke MORE !

I think everyone's a potential homo and heterosexual

Yes, some good research supports this. For those interested, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Sedgewick check out this site.

I myself believe that most people are no 100 % attracted to men or woman, that it's always a little mixed, it's just mixed differently for different people. A person with 50/50 attraction to both sexes might choose not to express his/her gay side, or be a happy bisexual. It even happens all the time that people ( men for example that are, say, 95% gay ) choose to live a hetero ( and probably MISERABLE ) life because there culture forces them to be.

Any thoughts ?

Haha !! Thanks Telos, THAT was the kind of reply i was hoping for. It's so much more fun to speculate then to simply say : "  Nah thats not possible "

Well done !

All this stuff about higher dimensions " vibrating " at higher speeds seems rediculous to me anyway. I't svery hard for me to imgaine it. In physics, more , or higher or faster or whatever vibrations just means that stuff gets warmer. If molecules move faster they simply get hot, not extradimensional, right ?!

Don't get me wrong, higher dimensions don't sound that strange to me,  it's just the way they are explained that doesn't make a lot of sense. At least not to me.

Your are probably right Frank,  but what makes you so sure it's not possible ?

Offcourse i don't know you at all, it would be stupid to judge you based on a couple of  posts ( or a 1000 posts, even but like the lady that likes to use a lot of colours said :

It's unhealthy to hate.

"Every female i have had a relationship with that ended on bad terms has become very obese. I would have assumed it was just a coincidence until one day I noticed that the pattern included every single ex-girlfriend but not one female that i was emotionally attached to. "

Man, you're scaring me when you talk like that. FEMALES ? What are you, a bloody robot ? So you didn't get emotionally attached to some of your girlfriends ?

You're talking about woman , girls ! They are not some kind of sub-species of humaity, you know ! GEESH ! Did you know they feel stuff as well ? Duh !
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I've read in a lot of books including Robert Bruce's, that there are a lot of different planes, levels/ dimensions above ours. One vibrational level higher is the Real Time Zone, and on top of that one seven planes that vibrate at even higher levels.

But what would it mean if our level of vibration, the " solid " plane, wasn't the lowest one ?

Maybe there's one or more levels BELOW us !  Maybe WE are subjective shadows of people living in the superlowvibrating plane.. ..  

Maybe there is an entire universe that's infinitely dense and heavy, and the beings there are unable to move due to there mass, they just are there and they dream , and we live out their dreams...

Yup my imagination is going overdrive ! Any thoughts or additions to this " theory " ?

Hmmm is that sarcasm ?

Leprechaun, DUDE ! Being 15 sucks , eh ? I remeber it very clearly, since i am only 21. Hang in there man, you'll be fine. Pretty soon you'll get manly shoulders and facial hair, and chicks ( or other dudes, if that's your thing ) will dig you !

And whenever you're really angry at the whole %*&#( world, listen to " Got the Life "  by KoRN, shout along with the words and alow yourself to cry when it gets to intense ) Anyway maybe not cry, but thats how i got through being a teenager. Life is soooo much better now.  I think KoRn kept me alive between my 13-16 years.

Oh and one final advise don't smoke to much weed... it's going to mess with your feelings after a couple of years heheh

Dude you got injected with what you guess is a POISON ? How the heck did that happen ? And why are you not sure ?

Hahah paranoid Breezeman ! ! Don't use the link then. Read a couple of good books, it's real fun.

If your intrested i can teach you a really easy and fast hypnosis induction technique that will probably work in less then 5 minutes. Wanna hear it ?