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[Greenrat:]

I'm not planning on taking drugs, I'm just looking for info/opinions.

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask. Does drinking liquids, like water, 'ground' you?

Greenrat:
"but if you chase the experience and go for the quick exhilleration of them, and do them often without meaning or focused insight then they mess you up completely.

Coz its like opening a cupboard and having years worth of built up junk spill out if your not totally open to your deepest insecurities."

Mark K:
"But the after effects just dont cut it.

Best to steer clear of drugs all together.
They may be fun while they last but in the long run its definately not worth it. For your mental healths sake.

Its a hard task trying to re-build a fully functioning brain from a pile of jelly..."

So, these things that you two are mentioning, could these be the factors that are introducing the "clouded" mind that some people experience when taking mind altering drugs?

They create an illusion and that is all.

And you know they create an 'illusion" how exactly? Why is it an "illusion?" Hmm, interesting stuff, I would like to know more if you would elaborate, because I'm not sure If I understand your posts.

Sorry, this might be in the wrong location...

Something I'm confused about....do drugs help ground you, or is it the opposite? I think I heard once that eating food grounds you, is this right? What about ingesting drugs? Isn't kinda the same thing, I mean isn't there some kind of digestion or food energy absorbtion going on for some things? Okay, I'm probably wrong, lol. But then I've heard from people that drugs cloud your mind and hinder altering your state of consiousness. But...then I've heard that drugs like LSD and marijuana can help you alter your state of consciousness and do OBE's...it's all just very confusing and conflicting information, someone help make sense of this!! lol. Uggh. Is it a possibility that BOTH of these things happen, like some sort of weird duality/paradox acting as One?

I have no doubt OBE's or whatever you people call them happen. The question is whether it happens inside or outside the mind. The other question is when. When did it happen? The other problem I have is the religious nuts in this world that want to connect Christ all mighty to this experience. It always seems whenever science discovers something new; the church is there to stick something in.

lol so typical of clueless, trollish, athiest science worshippers. Always thinking small. Of course "it" happens in the brain, you butthead. But who the hell is one to say that what this "it", the mechanical processes that are going on in the brain, does not have associated external information (higher dimensions/spirit realms)? The processes in the brain does not prove that they are the Ultimate cause of OBE. Saying "it" is the cause, is just wishfull thinking by scientists who's job is to find answers, and the morons that follow them. Science doesn't know everything, and when they can't come up with the true answers they just make B.S. up. Deep down inside they are just going "just leave me alone so that I can get back to my real work of finding fossils and collect my funded/paid paycheck."

That's true. You can get the videos for free at his new yahoo group site. I guess he just forgot to take the old site down, or update the old pages or whatever. He's also getting ready to re-encode his free videos to larger format, and distribute them for free via Bit Torrent.

What do the people that thought he was in it only for money have to say now?

Also, I don't believe he is using balloons. I don't know if it's aliens either, but it's all entertaining nevertheless. lol

Well, I still haven't progressed passed the baby steps in my willed OBE's. Like always, I have difficulty just moving around after I exit, but looking at the bright side ---> yesterday morning I willed myself to an OBE after like a year of not being able to.

I was having a dream, and slipped into lucidity. I then tried to OBE, but I couldn't make it out for some reason. Woke up right after, but I kept my eyes closed and stayed in my bed without moving. Soon after that I focused on my intent and willed myself to an OBE. I don't know how quite to explain this, but I "feel" my intent, it's like a feeling and emotion all in one, and when I focused on it and acted on it, I noticed it was really easy to get out of my body. Did that make any sense?

When I got out, I noticed I was floating above my bed. I wanted to fly up, and go outside my house. I was moving really slow though, and after a few seconds I could hear the birds chirping outside! I wanted to go faster, but then something wierd happened. It looked like I was moving faster, but I could tell I really wasn't. Don't know what that's all about...

Then, soon after this, I started getting a burning sensation of what I thought was the left side of my behind.......heh
It was getting hotter and hotter, to the point I couldn't concentrate due to the irritation it was causing. I tried to turn left, but I just couldn't do it, so I  decided to go back to my body.

After I got back, I tried to OBE again. Almost made it out too, but for some reason, instead of exiting, I was stuck in my body. Then I noticed the burning sensation again, but this time it was at the base of physical bodies spine. I also felt what was like a pulsating orb where the burning was. I focused on it and the pulsating burning sensation grew stronger. I mean, it was really horrid, it became burning and stinging. I moved my focus along the back of my spine all the way up to my neck, and noticed different points along the spine where the pulsating would go away, then as I moved further up, the pulsating orb would come back, and the whole time there was that pain, and the pain would get worse everytime I felt the pulsating orb sensation. Does anyone know what this is.......

What kind of energy?

why would spirit guides make out infront of you and get you to join in? Those don't sound like spirit guides...maybe they're succubus or something.

I still don't understand what the topic creator meant by "reading the Goetia"

You don't have to believe anything. If you didn't notice, my posts have the following words in them: in my opinion, my belief, and I think. That suggests I'm sharing my belief based on a theory or personal experience. That's what I'm doing, sharing a belief based on a theory. It's a theory, you don't have to believe it, and I don't care if you do, and some of it is probably wrong anyway. I'm not trying to convince anyone or make them believe, I just wanted to share it.

How does it get copied to the brain? I never thought that deep into the theory. Maybe by some supernatural/paranormal force, like kinesis, electro/neuro-kinesis. If the supernatural forces are strong enough, let's say a soul that knows what it's doing and is the legal "owner" of the body.....who's to say that it couldn't overpower a measily physical brain if it tries to resist (asuming that's even possibe). Maybe there are other forces that we don't of yet that allows souls to take "control" of physical shells, since the one controlling it is the legal owner, or maybe they work together mutually by forces we don't know of yet, like a symbiote bond of sorts, so why would the brain resist in the first place, assuming it's a mutual symbiote relationship. Probably that's why other spirits have to usually break a person down before they can take possession, maybe the bond is blocking external control.

What is influence, but not an indirect/passive method of control? So it doesn't really mater which way, direct control or influence, because ultimately, it is control in the end.

Ok body is a vehicle and "radio", but it does have its own intelligence in the neurons. I am the atoms in my body (at least those in my brain) and a soul. The atoms typed this.

Of course it has it's own intelligence, otherwise the body wouldn't be able to function......I think the intelligence that is there are two things though. One, the basic physical related stuff like motor and cognitive skill stuff. The other stuff, I think is just a smaller copy of the conscious/subconscious extension that is you, the soul, like a copy that's imported into the brain over time as you grow up and learn....like importing an html Internet favorites/bookmark file into Firefox And you use the bookmark copy that is in the brain as a radio to the Internet that is your soul

I still don't understand any of this, what or who is psycho boy? Can someone explain in english, preferably in under a (small) paragraph.

"You" are not the atoms, you are the soul that inhabits the physical shell. So what does it matter what atoms are what and how old they are and when they came? As long as they're there and everything is working, IMO it doesn't mater, because my belief is that the soul is either housed in the brain, or somewhere nearby outside (the crown chakra, other chakras, and subtle bodies and other similar things?) and that the brain just acts as a transciever between the soul and the physical body. So even if the brain gets damaged because it's missing atoms, your soul wont die, just that the "radio" between the soul and physical body becomes blocked.

Err hmm critical update? I think it should be updated then...................any plans of doing that?

That is why I want to edit the preset. I don't want to lower the volume of my computer, because I have other programs running in background that have sound, and if I lower the computer volume then it will lower them too. I wanted to try out using a preset that raises your focus level while you play video games. I just cant  ever seem to stay focused on one thing, such as the current strategy I'm supposed to be doing, when I play video games, my mind always constantly wandering from one thing to the next, and it makes me mess up in-game. I already figured out how to lower the volume of each voice on my own before I read this topic again, but thanks though!  

[me]

I think I may have found an exit method that is easy for me[/b]. I've read that ADHD is charactized by more then usual theta brain waves, is this true? Well, I think it is, because I've always found it really easy to do daydreams and mind's eye visualizations when I close my eyes. I mean, really easy, because lately when  I can do them, sometimes they become really vivid. The times that they become more vivid then usuall has been, for some reason, increasing since like last year, and really increasing rapidly since like three months ago. I once was doing this with my eyes open, and I swear I almost saw what I was envisioning, it was superimposed in the physical, but very vague. And just the other day, I was doing it and I thought I had slipped into a lucid dream, but I was fully awake and aware of the physical. Someone told me this is subconcious APing. Is this true? And also, I've used this vivid visualization once last year, to AP.

More about this whole visualization thing here in this thread:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=153668#153668

Maybe I can use this as a gateway to APing, if I practice it more and more so I can get good at it, it's the only thing that seems to work for me. Because as I said, I find it very hard to AP the normal ways of meditating or just laying down and relaxing, and trying to get my body to fall asleep, I just can't ever seem to do it, I get restless, and my brain chatter is always so high sometimes that I can't get it to shutup. I used to be able to do it the normal ways on a few occasion last year (and the experiences were nothing spectacular, just the baby step things), but since then, I just can't.

Wow, I was thinking of doing topic similar to this. I've always found it easy to make images in my mind when I close my eyes, but lately over the past recent months, they have been increasingly become easier to do and seem more vivid. The rate of this increase has steadily become faster and faster. Does anyone know why this is happening, and what this is called? I can do them easily too, I don't have to be in a drowsy state, or altered state, (well I find a relaxed state makes it all easier, but not drowsy or anything like that) or anything, all I have to do is just close my eyes, and I can make them instantly happen lately, it is really wierd. The mind images, or I guess visions would be a better word now, are so vivid that sometimes, it's like having dream images. Sometimes I get carried away, and a dream literally takes shape, complete with characters and story and everything, but I can't hear anything, just images, and the dream vision, as I now call this phenomenon when it happens, are so vivid sometimes. I'm not sleeping or anything when this happens, I'm fully awake, just I'm laying in bed with my eyes closed. One time recently, I thought I was actually having a lucid dream, but I was fully wide awake, I opened my eyes and wasn't asleep.

I need help too........I'm trying to edit the volume of a preset. It's too loud, but I can only edit one of the voices, I don't know how to edit the other one.

Actually I forgot  that I have tried experimenting with binaural beats before! uggh I can't ever remember anything. I forgot I have bwgen. Is that a good program? I tried testing out some presets earlier and didn't notice anything. I also totally forgot that I downloaded a binaural beat mp3 that I downloaded from a sticky topic in a previous incarnation of this forum. I remember I was getting wierd sensations last time I used it, almost as if I was starting to get vibes or something.

oh, I was talking about the accident and baby step stuff? I just totally forgot because I got distracted from writing my second post and then my mind wandered. See! I do have ADHD! lol....I can't even remember and figure out something as simple as that.

Lucky? I would rather be able to control my abilities, then to be teased with accidents.

MP3 tapes? Does that actually work, wouldn't you need the original audioI don't think lossy compression is good for things that are gonna be messing around with your head, if it's even able to do that in the first place, since crucial audio information that's not so apparent is missing.

I don't have money to spend for tapes! That is just yet another one of the depressing aspects of my life. I was hoping I could learn to AP to learn more about myself spiritually and the world, and to help me do something to help get me out of and mind off of my supposed clinical depression (my friend who I talked to that has ADHD also has clinical depression, and guess what, I got all the same symptoms for that as well. Go figure!), but it looks like I can't even do that even, because every method I've tried lately just fails me. And on top of all of this, I think my body likes to tease me, because I've had an instantaneous spontaneous projection once, when I wasn't trying to project.

im sort of in the accidental baby stage myself....

Huh? What are you talking about?

Is there an easy method that could work for me, or should I just give up?

Except for a few wonderful "accidental" projections in the past, I find it very hard to project. I still have not advanced past the first few baby steps. And whenever I try, I just fail a lot. I find it very hard to stay focused and keep concentration. My mind wanders a lot randomly, and a lot of times, I even forget what I'm doing, and I can't stay still and tend to fidget. I been talking with someone who has ADHD, and I think I may have it, I experience the same things she does. I looked over a page that has symptoms of ADHD, and I have almost all of them on a daily basis (it doesnt say you have to have all the symptoms, but I have almost all of them). I think I finally found out why it's so hard for me whenever I try to project, and do other things in my life that come so easily for everyone else.

Hi, not really new here, posted some a while ago but mostly lurked. I can't log into my old name, don't know what happened, looks like the forums is different now. Oh well, I like my new name better now anyway.

One of the creepiest movies to be coming out in long time IMHO. I've been waiting for this, can't wait.