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#1
This morning was maybe the closest I ever got to an OOBE. At least that's what I'd like to believe, but I cannot say for sure if I haven't just been dreaming.

I've felt vibrations often in the last 2 years but things always stopped there for me.
There were many different approaches that I tried at this stage - this time I tried imagining that I'd appear on the street in front of my house. And yes, it came as a surprise to me how much willpower it required from me to actually have any effect with this. Either way I felt pulled in that direction and for a moment was hovering through my room towards the window. I didn't feel any extremities, I was like a formless blob of gelatine being pulled through ... a world of gelatine. Kinda like being underwater and not being able to swim. I believe I 'saw' the outlines of my room, however very darkish and unclear and it was more of a feeling of -knowing- my surroundings rather than -seeing- in any literal way. I don't remember what happened afterwards.

The problems I'm having:

What was different this time however was that I barely was concious, while I usually was fully aware during the vibrations in the past. It is different than just remembering a dream you had when you wake up, yet the whole thing felt like a dreams environment. It happened quite often to me lately, that I actually 'wake' up while the vibrations are in progress. Could this be some sort of false awakening?

Secondly, I can't say that I was really myself in that moment and I know that sounds strange. I knew who I was and what I had wanted to do. I was more aware of myself than I am in my dreams, but it still was like only part of me was there and the other part of me was dormant. I wasn't there to the full extent as I am right now for example, while I'm writing this. I felt so detached from everything...

And on a side-note:
I tried asking for clarity multiple times to improve what I see and it didn't help at all. How exactly would I do that? Just say 'i would like clarity' to myself in my head, like when reading some text in a book?


Would love to hear your opinions.

And thanks for reading my probably hard to understand gibberish.

LazyPanda
#2
Ahh, very understandable description, Lionheart.

Maybe I don't know how to "allow" things to happen then. Because that's what I thought I was trying to do, several times.

So this means more practice on getting used to the vibrations? Have them happen so often that they start leaving me bored and unimpressed? They're nowhere near as overwhelming as they have been the first time for me, but there's still the the surprise, the anticipation, the mild curiosity about what's going to happen, the hope that everything is going to proceed correctly. Very subliminal feelings, but I can't deny them still being there.
#3
Hmmm, not really.

I didn't choose good words to describe it, as I don't wake up, like I do every morning but rather "wake up" as in regain consciousness when I am right on the border of falling asleep and struggle to remain that way. I may have been unconscious for a few seconds prior to feeling the vibrations, which sometimes seems enough to tip my body over into attempting to start the sleep paralysis.

I guess the surprising nature of suddenly experiencing the vibrations when I've just unconcious a few seconds ago is what might disturb my progress the most - I don't know what else.
#4
Thanks everyone!

I don't really want to escape my "real" life's bothers. It's just that if I could realize that there's more to this world than meets the eye, it might give me more perspectives on some things.

I'm glad you guys are always so willing to answer patiently and help out.
Makes me feel guilty that I'm jealous about you. A bit. :wink:

Last time that I woke up and had the vibrations in my head, I tried concentrating on them.
For a moment, there was this very slight feeling of being pulled away in one direction.
But it was so faint, that I might as well just have imagined it. It feels odd and wrong, but is certainly worth another shot.
#5
Hello,

haven't had much luck with anything yet.

I wouldn't really say that I want to experience the vibrations themselves.
They're pretty much just the only unusual thing that ever happened during my experiments.
And they've been a wall for me ever since.

Is it possible that I have some psychological issues hindering any further progress?
I do firmly believe that astral projection is possible.
I'm not really impatient and I don't put pressure on myself.
I think that I need to be prepared for the possibility of bad things happening - but it's not as if I expect or overly fear it. During my attempts I don't really worry about it anyway.
If I may be honest though, I am a bit depressed with my life currently, with a lot of nagging things on my mind. I don't attempt to project when I'm in a bad mood though.
And sometimes I feel a bit jealous when I read other people's stories about them just getting there without even trying, or being able to project at will, any place, any time. Sorry about that.  :|
#6
Thanks, Lionheart.

I will try your technique. :wink:
#7
Hello,

I need a bit of help with the vibrations part.

I've been at that stage a lot of times now but they always fade away after some seconds. My body does not remain in sleep paralysis afterwards.
I'm saying 'remain' because I tried moving while they were happening and couldn't - yet after they've finished I usually can.

The first times I experienced it I tried techniques to 'leave' the body.
Nowadays I try to do nothing at all and let whatever is going to happen, happen by itself.
I know that's a bit of a turn, but I never quite understood what it is that I was supposed to be doing exactly, or what was supposed to happen next.

Doing nothing at all made sense to me, since I don't want to be doing anything remotely connected to my physical consciousness, potentially interrupting the whole process.
The only thing remaining is slight bit of surprise or irritation, when I've been lying half-asleep for minutes or hours and I can suddenly sense that they're about to happen. This is because my method of getting to the vibes is about stepping as little as possible over the line of being awake and falling asleep, meaning whenever I get the vibrations I typically feel like waking up a few seconds beforehand.
But it's still not as if I'm panicing or shocked or overly exicted or anything.

I'm wondering what it is that I might be doing wrong.

Any advice please?
#8
Hello Szaxx,

thanks for your reply too.

So if understood you right, I might have also found myself in the same nightmarish environment as I dreamt about? Phew, can consider myself lucky then.
I do suppose it wasn't really so scary at the time of dreaming it, or realizing during the vibrations that I dreamt about it.

It's rather when I was fully awake and tried remembering exactly what happened, that I realized "Oh man, that scene before was kind of messed up."

I didn't know such a thing as a void was really supposed to exist.
Perhaps it makes sense in that I had no intention of appearing in any specific place, like for example in my room to see myself sleep.

I'll be trying to read up some more information on this void.

Now I'm excited. :-D
#9
Hello Lionheart,

and thanks for your reply.

But I'm not sure I understand what you meant with fear.

Considering that right before this experience I just had a nightmare, I actually found myself pretty ignorant of that thought. I mean, I remember dreaming about going to sleep in some ugly, dark place where 3 zombified babies were watching me...
If I would have been afraid after this (and I suppose it usually would leave such an effect on me) - then I probably would have expected to see demons tearing me apart during the oobe (not that I would want to!).
But I wasn't aware of feeling fear at any point - actually I didn't feel anything at all, while I was appearing in that grey "room". It wasn't like some sort of blockade - it was just like a nirvana, a place of neutrality.

So yeah, ultimately I think my bewilderment and not knowing what I was supposed to do next in this place were what let everything fall apart.
But if it really at least was a step in the right direction then I guess I should consider myself happy about my new progress.
#10
Ok, first a short backstory about me - I' ve been attempting oobes for maybe half a year now.
I got into the strange vibrational state a couple of times but nothing substantial really happened from there.
Apart from one occurance some months ago that was very similar to what I'm about to describe, I've had very little signs of progress at all.

So, I've been attempting an oobe this very evening. But since I couldn't relax properly I eventually just gave up.
Perhaps I should mention that my positioning seems to have a great impact on my progress, meaning that I usually sleep on my side, but start every oobe-attempt lying on my back.
When I eventually give up and just want to fall asleep, I end up turning over to the side. In this routine I think I experienced the vibrations the most often - basically when I was not expecting them anymore.
What was strange about this time was that I actually turned face down on the bed, a position I almost never sleep in.

And this was where I lost track of things, but I'll try to explain as good as I can.
The vibrations set in. I *suddenly* know that I have been just sleeping, because I realize that I'm in a face down position.
However... what I also suddenly remember are the last seconds before this very moment, in which I was in a different environment, which was rather unsettling - a nightmarish dream basically, where I ended up going to sleep in this very same face down position but under different circumstances.
So the vibrations are there as usual and since I'm having the feeling of just having woken up, I'm pretty confused and uncoordinated in how I try to proceed from there this time.
During these vibrations I'm having the feeling of being perfectly aware though, completely different to what I remember from this other, unsettling environment which I now am able to properly recognize as a dream. I don't let myself get distracted by this too much though and just let the vibration pass as usual.
Normally they would end soon, without having achieved anything. But this time, I felt some sort of shifting as well.

First, I attempted to move my other body, but only could come up with some weird sense of motion - as if I'm a blob of gelatin that's very slowly oozing out in a direction.
Next, since I wasn't sure yet if anything really just happened I attempted calling out my astral guide and reaching out my hand for someone to grab and properly help me out - although I felt no reaction.
Lastly, my vision started turning from pitch black to suddenly showing ... something, which I can't properly remember/describe anymore.
It felt as if I'm in some sort of void - some empty room, where all I saw was the color grey.
Dumbfounded, I didn't know what to do next and it didn't take long for me to feel the shifting back.
My vision started falling apart, sort of in tune with the vibrations that I think I experienced at this moment again (not too sure about this though).
At some point I only saw something strange like a wireframe of some environment (either the one from the nightmare before, or my real room - I cannot tell).
Seconds later I fully woke up.


What really irks me about all this, is that I know that I felt as aware as during my waking days in that very moment.
But I was almost like a different person, because I behaved a bit differently than I would expect myself to behave.
And after everything faded away again, I have trouble remembering so many details, that I know were perfectly vivid just a couple of seconds ago.


So what did just happen?
Did I have a dream in a dream? A false awakening of some sorts?
A failed lucid dream? But why did I wake up then, simply because I had no clue what to do?
Or an oobe? But then why am I suddenly having trouble remembering details?
What do I need to look out for, next time to understand what might be going on?

Sorry for the long text. I had to get it off my chest before I forget even more details.

I really need some ideas about what just happened to me, please.
#11
Oh well.
After my last post I've had increasing health problems and after several completely failed attempts in a row, where I couldn't even stay awake at all, I just 'forgot' about projecting for the last weeks.

Until the last sunday, when I was taking an afternoon nap, after a fine dinner and a couple glasses of wine.
Apparently when I drink a certain (medium) amount of alcohol, I experience very erratic sleep.
So naturally at some point I was waking up and either I was right under the vibrations or I knew I was about to. I guess my consciousness and the feeling of time were a bit 'impaired' at that point.

As usual - nothing in particular happened. Which is exactly what's bugging me, now. I've had several recurring vibrations when I was lying down there. And in the end, when I was going to abort and get up from bed I noticed that I actually was in sleep paralysis for ... I don't know how long.

Now, I thought that after I go through the process of sleep paralysis I would essentially be 'separated'? But I didn't notice anything different at all, the whole time. No hypnagogics, no sounds, no funny colors, no nothing, just silence and the blackness in front of my eyes.

I don't get what I'm doing wrong anymore. :(
#12
I guess I just wasn't expecting to fall asleep / start dreaming that easily and that fast as soon as the transition was over. After all, my mind felt very awake beforehand.

Sometimes I don't know when the transition has been successfully completed too, unless I attempt moving, which I don't want to if it can be avoided. In the past I assumed that I can go by the duration of the vibrations - so if they occur for 5 or more seconds they must have finished successfully - but the duration hasn't really proven to be a reliable information to me.

Anyway, I'm very intrigued to learn the difference between my last two experiences and a 'real' OOBE.

By the way, Bedeekin:
I'm probably babbling too much nonsense in this topic but your continued support proves really helpful and I'm confident I'll make it 'there' soon. Thanks!
#13
Heya,

reading your post I felt like being in a similar situation as you.

When I began relaxing a couple of weeks ago, I also experienced discomfort in the backside of my neck.
I was guessing that this probably occured because I wasn't used to lying on my back, as I usually sleep on my side.
It doesn't help that I have some general health problems with my back either.

By now, I don't even notice it anymore though. Just as I don't notice my breathing for example or the need to swallow. It's all a matter of focus - if you continue focusing on relaxing, these disturbances pass away quickly, withoug being a bother - up to the point where you shouldn't notice them at all anymore. If you notice the disturbance and keep thinking about it it only gets stronger though. So just keep practicing at ignoring it I guess.

I noticed though, that even if you do move to rectify your neck position for example, as long as you don't make a big deal out of it, it won't bring you out of your procedure too much. I did that once, just when I felt the vibrations were about to kick in - and they still occured, a minute later then.
#14
Haha, yeah, I think I was just dreaming. Because something similar happened, a couple of moments ago.

I was struggling with vibrations for quite some time. If you want, you can call it transition into sleep paralysis, although I don't see what this excessive feeling of being electrocuted does have to do anything with sleep or paralysis. What I know is that it does cripple my limbs, because it feels like it takes an incredible effort to move my arm by even just the tiniest of millimeter. I "tested" it, mainly because at one point my left arm felt like rolling by itself and falling down the bed, although I know that it probably wasn't moving at all.

Well, actually, now that I mentioned time... the whole procedure took 1,5 hours. At roughly 1 hour and maybe 10 minutes, the vib... sleep paralysis started kicking in and a fight ensured about whether my somehow stubborn subconscious or the paralysis would eventually dominate. No real importance, but I like to keep track of time to see whether I improve at meditating and getting to the "important stages" faster. Apparently I do. A couple of weeks ago, nothing happened after 3 hours of meditating - now I can somewhat reliably get into sleep paralysis in less than 2 hours.

But on to the event itself:

A few moments after the vibrations passed, I gained vision. Bright, blueish (in the middle of the night) and a lot clearer than last time. But I was unable to move from the spot of my bed. Funnily, I could raise and look at my right arm though - I think I saw a very faintly ghostly shimmer of it - it felt sort of hard to see. I tried to move forcefully, I shouted that I want to be able to move, tried the rope technique, forgot about the handrubbing (sorry, Bedeekin -_-) and eventually shouted for help from my guide.

After a very brief pause where I don't remember what exactly happened, I suddenly found myself standing out of bed - still in my room - but outside wasn't the city anymore - apparantely some of the walls of my room were missing and it was surrounded by a vast sea now. My room also looked a bit changed - more lofty I suppose - it suddenly had greek pillars in it for example. And there was a huge bird calmly flying outside, with golden feathers and its head made out of diamonds. I was able to differentiate between thinking "are you my guide?" to which it didn't react and next, saying/shouting the same thing to which it simply responded with "yes". I think I was still too stunned by the beautiful environment that I found myself in because it took me a while to ponder about my next question. Before I could formulate anything, everything was fading to black again and I found myself waking up in bed.

So again - I don't remember being fully conscious during all this. I do remember it roughly as something that maybe happened a week ago. Which means I know very clearly that it happened - I know that I was "there". But on the other hand I don't have the full confidence that the actions that "I" did and thoughts that "I" had were really my own or just from my imaginative self in a dream. The real me for example would probably had asked whether this was a dream or "real" before asking the bird if it was my guide. Also this "blueish, bright" vision that I had could be because after my last experience I read up on the forums how other people's vision during OBE is and those were the words they used to describe it. And the last clue would be that I didn't see my physical body - I never even vaguely gazed in the direction of where my body would lie - the thought of doing that didn't even occur to me. And the type of some of the details that I don't clearly remember anymore (like how did I finally get out of my bed?) strongly lead me to believe that it was all just a dream.

A beautiful dream anyway - even as short as it was.

But how do I get there? When is the time for me to project? After my sleep paralysis has finished - it felt like a very short time after which the vibrations have ceased and then the described event took place.
#15
What would I do without you guys!  :|

Reached vibrations in roughly 2 hours, just now. And I certainly am starting to make out some of the factors that influence me in getting this far.
But that's not why I'm here.

I am completely at loss about what happened next.

No moving, no fighting, no fear, I just 'surrendered' to the vibrations, as I read somewhere on this forums. Overall, I think they were pretty much like the first time I experienced them. Except there was no breathing getting in the way, and even though it seemed loud - it didn't feel scary or annoying anymore.
This seemed to intensify them, and before they ceased away again, everything I perceived started becoming very, veeery hazy. It might have been imagination or wishful thinking but I felt very faintly as if I suddenly had an extra (or rather - different) pair of arms, very slightly above me. At loss about what to do further, I imagined a sort of more distant friend in hopes of appearing near them - failed, nothing happened. I imagined family members next room to appear near them - failed again. Confused enough, I tried to simply get out of body, sort of. Well, that certainly triggered something, as I felt spinning horizontally - quite fast. Another rotation vertically lifting myself out of bed. Vision of my (or some other) room appeared - everything was dark but still high contrast in a way. And now I couldn't even attempt to make out any details about this room before everything was fading away again. Everything was roughly cut off when I attempted to shout/think (I don't know which one I tried doing - they felt like doing the same thing) about "clarity, now!" as I had also read somewhere. And I was lying in bed again.

With all that said, and as strange as it may have felt - I don't think this really was an OOBE. I know I wasn't fully conscious during this event. If I would have to put a number on it - maybe 50% - barely enough to think and remember. I say 50% because for example when I tried "leaving" my body, I can't remember the rotating to be my own idea. It's just something that I suddenly did automatically. And it worked too easily too, considering I just did a completely random attempt at "leaving" my physical. It also was a bit nonsensical - because after all I sort of already felt disconnected from my physical body.
It all sounds a bit too much like wishful thinking on my part. It did feel very strange though which is the only reason I can't just say that I was dreaming and put a stamp on it. Actually, I may have been lucid dreaming, which would be something interesting for me too - but I wouldn't know the difference between any of those. However, if I was lucid dreaming and thinking of loved ones - shouldn't that have affected the dream then?

Everything felt too "neatly in place" to be blamed as hypnagogic effects, too. From the very few things I experienced in this event, nothing felt weird or chaotic in that sense. Or maybe I just don't know what they're supposed to be like, since I rarely experienced those, so far.

The only thing pointing me to a projection is that I felt very disconnected from my physical body, although even that isn't saying much, because it happened anyway, after the vibrations were gone. I wouldn't feel it all anymore, but I knew where it was.

So how strong is the likelihood of hallucinating or dreaming at this stage? This was too strange of an occurance to be called projecting, in my opinion. It was not as clear as I expected it to be - even for my first time.

The more time I let pass, the more it all feels unreal, which is why I'm writing this down immediately.
Sorry for the wall - I would still be glad about someone reading and lending some insight, though. :lol:

A bit of stretching and back to bed - having another go at it.
#16
Quote from: Bedeekin on August 22, 2012, 02:21:12
yeah... you are right there. That's what the 'vibrations' are.

Uh, oh, well then. So far, I have been under the misconception that sleep paralysis does not have a direct connection to these vibrations which I thought were effects produced by the astral awareness.

But it's all good. Now I just have to analyze these vibrations further. Because so far they have always ceased away after some seconds and everything was as it was before that again. Perhaps I'm not calm enough, so it will take more time getting used to.

At least I haven't experienced anything scary again. :-)
#17
There are quite a lot of things to observe and learn.

I managed to experience medium-strength vibrations again yesterday and (as planned) I attempted to move my arm. Well, unsuprisingly perhaps, I wasn't able to and I tried with real force. Before that, everything was normal - I'm beginning to think that what I called vibrations so far, is simply the sleep paralysis setting in with hypnagogic effects (the ringing sound in the head, which actually sounds like a wave - going up and down in pitch I think).

In almost all cases that I experienced these vibrations, it usually felt as if I just 'woke' up. As if my mind fell very shortly into sleep and still managed at the very last moment to prevent being gone for good. Not sure how to explain this properly, but that's quite hard to reproduce if it really were the case.

Also noteworthy is that I usually sleep in a cowered position on my side, yet relax in a lying one. I can relax for more 2 hours without anything noteworthy happening, but whenever I switch to lying on my side after that, these vibration effect can set it in after as little as 10 minutes.

In the meantime I notice improvements in my relaxation techniques and breathing control - so everything goes according to plan, it would seem.
#18
*sigh*
I'm getting the feeling I'm bad at all this.
And I do feel kind of annoyed about myself to be here once again, with yet another question.

But yesterday I experienced those vibrations again - even though a lot more subtle compared to my first time. But it was clear to me that it was the exact same kind of feeling - a flickering through my body and a ringing sound in my head.

The only problem is that this feeling only appeared right after my mind drifted and I for some reason ended up imagining grimaces of dead, mutilated people - the kind of thing you'd expect from a bad horror movie. After all, I didn't quite want to get into an OOBE while focusing on demons as soon as I project and risk getting scared off this whole topic for good. At least not for my first time.

The vibrations however ceased away, as I forced myself to imagine nicer things, so it once again seems I did the wrong thing.

Is there really a risk I could have ended up in a 'bad place' if I had managed to project then and there?
Or should I really accept whatever I see, next time?
#19
Haha, oh well. That sounds challenging.
I guess I will still remain a newbie for a long time.

I really hope though that once I had this experience at least once, that I can understand much easier what I have to do or how I have to be, to get "there".

I see the risk when I try to imitate other people's procedures and it is not something that I really want to end up doing.
Because the expectations that I am building up are having a noticable effect on me. On my second attempt yesterday (after that weird "screaming" sound) I noticed that despite my best efforts to remain calm I still had shivers running down my back when I thought about that sound. Perhaps it was for the best that I didn't project yesterday, because who knows what I may have experienced with such a premise.
#20
Hello Lionheart,

I wasn't aware there was a specific counting technique - so it's not like I initially had a goal of stopping anywhere. I would have continued counting indefinitely if I had noticed making any "progress". At times, I visualized the number that I was counting, too - but not consistently since I didn't know if it's the right thing to do. After writing my earlier post yesterday I also tried something similar to what you mentioned - I stopped at every count of 10 and reassured myself that I would be able to project and was going to leave my body now. Saying that didn't help much, but breaking the counting up to smaller steps made it easier to recognize when my tiredness was almost about to overwhelm my mind.

Speaking of "too aware": I am not sure how to describe. For one, my body may feel heavy or frozen (not paralyzed) but yes - I'm still aware of it. And also - it feels like after I breached a certain point that I stop drifting to sleep. At first I thought this would be a good thing, because the risk of falling asleep was very low now - in fact, I couldn't have fallen into sleep even if I wanted to - and I tried. But when I could lie there unmoving for 2 or more hours and nothing would change anymore or happen, my mind would eventually get restless.

I mean I don't want to sound impatient. If it's just a matter of waiting more hours or continue what I do, then that's fine.
But it feels as if I'm not doing something right.
#21
I think I'll nevermind that for now.
I'm just coming from a 2,5 hour relaxing period and I had a great time with that audio, since I felt easily relaxed after as little as 15 minutes. Or maybe I'm just getting better at relaxing, too - as I barely noticed my breathing anymore. I tried as best as I could to simply forget that I have a physical body at all.

But I'm still having a bit of trouble with doing "the right thing" with my mind. I tried various things, like concentrating on a room I'd like to project in, or daydreaming again, focusing on the center of my head or just stare at the blackness in front of me. I tried mantras on different days - they didn't seem to work either. Eventually I just resorted to counting in my head, which I think had the best effect. Interestingly, at certain ranges of numbers it became highly difficult to count - meaning that I either lost track about which number I currently am at or finding the concentration to count to the next number was just so difficult that it felt like an eternity.

If I may describe:

0-50
I'm feeling increasingly relaxed. This appears to work, so I'm continuing happily.

50-100
Very difficult to concentrate. Counting very slowly.

100-150
Varying difficulty - sometimes steady count, sometimes mind drifiting away.

150-200
Discovered a slightly new feeling - like a variety of tingling going through my body.
My hearing got very distorted now, too. I heard a crackle nearby (trivial probably but no source that I could relate it to) and shortly after a very strange sound that sounded like a screaming monster. My best guess is that this was the squeaking wheel of a car outside. My heart went pumping mad - but I don't know why. All these events happened in a very short timeframe.

200-250
Calming down from my earlier experience. Feeling very aware again.

250-300
Fully aware.

300-350
Still aware. :-(

350-400
Far, far too aware to make progress. Aborting for now and leaving bed.




So yeah - I would appreciate help again. :-/

The awareness problem happens way too often. It doesn't seem to matter how numb/asleep my body feels - I am too awake to make progress. And it intuitively feels as if I should somehow bring my mind closer to sleep as well.
#22
Lately I have been experimenting with letting audio (calm music, mostly) run, while I try to project - nothing special, as I often go to sleep with music on.

Last night though I tried using one of these socalled binaural beats. (in fact, the one from this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMajWjlA4U4)
I set the audio to run for 3 hours but actually fell asleep pretty normally (guesstimation: after 30 minutes).

Nothing noteworthy in itself but I woke up pretty demolished... worse than when I really didn't get much sleep over a night.

Of course this could just be random, but I'm not sure what to make out of this - it seemed to at least produce some sort of effect, which sadly is more than I can say about anything else that I tried lately.
Should I continue or stop trying it this way? The audio file itself was nice listening to anyway...

(of course I'd be careful to not endanger myself while I'm so exhausted)
#23
An update for myself, and whomever my journey to OOBEs may interest:

This is now my second week.

The swoosh that I mentioned earlier occured a lot more often and stronger though.
My limbs already were numb and heavy, this feeling in addition felt as if some animal had bitten me and there was some kind of hot, crippling poison immediately rushing through my body. I'm still not sure what others call this state (if it has a name) but I tried moving my foot and all I can say is that it took effort but it worked anyway.

I have yet to reencounter the intense electrical surge, though.
And I'm rather curious as I wanted to try moving during that state too, to see how I would react.

As for my mental condition:
Even though I may be a bit obsessed about OOBEs, I think I manage to remain relatively calm overall. I try persistently (1-3 times per day) but I am not too intent on forcing progress by any means.
When any stranger kind of feeling is about to set in, it takes a few splitseconds but I manage to reassure myself that "it is ok" easy enough.
However, because I do have to reassure myself, it feels as if there is still one slight hidden fear remaining, that I can't even attempt to pinpoint.
#24
Thanks again, Bedeekin, you're very helpful.

I will try to put this into practice then.
#25
Hi Bedeekin,

thanks for your reply.

I spent some time with the dictionary there - glad it paid off. :-)


One more thing that occured to me and which I need confirmation on is the degree of wakefulness that is required.

Because on the night that I experienced these vibrations on I found myself drifting into sleep or letting my mind wander with "day"-dreams several times ("luckily" I did have a bit of sleep problems that night). The whole procedure of going to bed and experiencing the vibrations took almost 3 hours and I was roughly conscious maybe 75% of that time.

On some other nights, when my attempts failed, I felt fully awake almost the whole time but on the other hand this lead to me growing bored a lot faster, so I start having trouble to remain relaxed after as little as one hour.

What exactly am I supposed to do in the time of waiting? Concentrate on the blackness in front of my eyes or any other thought? Or should I try to not think anything at all? Or try to get as close as possible to sleeping without actually falling asleep? Am I allowed to daydream as long as I don't risk losing my awareness (for example about the place that I'd like to be at, if I became astral)?  :?


I hope I didn't take the saying of "mind awake and body asleep" too literally, because I simply assumed I need to be as conscious as possible and my body as immobile as possible.