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I'd like to ad this... For some people it can be a fairly quick process, but for most, it can be extremely difficult and only occur after months and months of practice.

Good luck, it is worth the effort and wait!

I gotcha.  Thanks for the advise!

Warped, Have you projected willfully yet?

I think that what else is happening is that when someone gives up, and they project, the first thing they do is post it on the forum.  If someone gives up, and nothing happens, nothing gets posted.  So most of what you read about are the successful projections and the unsuccessful for the most part go ignored.

One other thing I want to say...

For anybody wanting to try this technique, I would recommend it.  However, I have some suggestions to make it easier.

First, you don't necessarily have to set the alarm every 15 minutes.  Set it once for around 3:30-4:00 am or about 5 hours after you go to bed.  This gives me just enough rest to not fall back to sleep so easily.  I find that if I try after like 3 or 4 hours of sleep, I'm too tired to stay focused enough.  If you find this happening over 4 or 5 attempts, increase your sleep about an hour before attempting.

ALL THE PRACTICE SUGGESTIONS ON THIS FORUM WILL BE INTENSIFIED AND SPED UP WAKING UP LIKE THIS.  It may take a few tries because its easy to fall back asleep, but if you don't, you'll find that what takes you 45minutes to accomplish during regular practice takes about 5 to 10 minutes at this time.  Sometimes for me it can start almost as soon as I hit the bed again (5-10 seconds, no lie!).

I have only projected once using this technique, so I don't think it is the golden answer everybodies looking for.  But if you think you are on the cusp of reaching the next stage, you'll probably get there doing this, and in 20% of the time.

GOOD LUCK....FEEDBACK ABOUT EFFORTS!  The feedback is very inspiring!

Willis the Wacked.

I definately agree.  Since I have backed off the projection thing a little to see if my results improved, I backed off meditation and trance practice as well.  Neither has moved my projection attempts forward, like I said before, I'm further away now.

One thing about waking up and going back to bed I realized last night.  I set my alarms about 20 minutes apart.  About 10 minutes into my focusing, I began to show signs of a different focus (late focus 3 or early focus 10?) and before I knew it, my alarm woke me out of it.

I'd suggest making sure your alarm is set at least at 45 minute intervals, so if you are making progess, and even make it to projection, your alarm won't kick in and send you back to the physical.

Peace,
Willis the Wonderer.

No, I haven't cause I can't seem to get totally relaxed.

Thanks for the Warped advise   .  I've tried not to worry about it much, but it seems to get even more distant for me.  It's time to get back into it a little bit since the "foget about it and you'll OBE" approach isn't working for me.  Focus, Focus, Focus.  I will project, I will project, I will project.

See?  Isn't that more inspiring!

Tonites the night I make history!  

Willis the wonder.

No luck.  Tonite's the nite.  I can feel it.  

Tonight I am going to try something I haven't done before but I feel is the sure way to project. I'll explain...

It has become a routine for me to wake up around 3:30 at night.  I get out of bed, go to the bathroom, let my dogs go outside for a tinkle, whatever gets me OUT OF BED.  After about 3-10 minutes out of bed, I lay back down and do a half-ashed effort at projecting.  I fall into what I perceive is a slight focus 10 after seconds!  Sometimes it is almost immediately after I hit the bed.  Sometimes it takes a few minutes.  But thing is, it is SO FAST and happens 90% of the time.  Here's the problem:  I fall asleep (or lose consciousness) before I can project.  I know in time I will make it to projection (I did it using this method once before).  But it has been months of waking up in the middle of the night and nothing.

Now, I read in another post the suggestion to wake up every 15 minutes or so and eventually it will spawn a projection.  Tonight I am going to set my alarm to wake me up about 3 hours after laying down.  When the alarm goes off, I will get up, walk to the hallway, reset my watch alarm to wake me up in 20-30 minutes, and go back to bed with intent to project.  I will do this until morning.  This will give me about 10 opportunities to project in one night.  I know I will make it to projection with this many attempts.

I will post again tomorrow to advise you all of the fabulous worlds I traveled in and the wonderful dead people I met, and the talks I had with people who are about to embark on their next Earth trip, and my visit with the Buddha, Jesus, and Ganghas Khan.

Willis
Please, wish me luck.

try the Monroe tapes.  I think they're great for initial relaxation and concentration, though they won't cause you to OBE.

Another good thought Stevo.  Learning how to OBE and necessary mind control are awesome side effects (or inherent parts of the process, which is even better!).  All your thoughts come true.  You attract to you those emotions that are on your mind.  That's awesome.  It is a self-righting system that causes people who believe in it to become fearlessly good.

[Before you die, you will be able to phase or go OBE]

Alright, here's my two cents.

First, what a great statement!

Secondly, forget everything you know. Astral eyes, OBE, forget it. Take things one step at a time, and before you die you will be able to phase.

Live OBE by this statement.  Before you die, you will be able to phase or go OBE.  In fact, think of the possibilities if you were to practice for say, 20 years.  I don't know how old you are, but lets say you are 20 years old.  I guarantee you if you practiced from now till you were 40 years old, by then you will be projecting at will at least every other night for the rest of your life!

Now, here's my opinion on all this "learning how to OBE" stuff.  I have been given the impression by books and such that the process can be easily achieved.  I don't believe this at all.  Here's the catch.  You will OBE soon.  It will be when you least expect it because it won't be willful.  Most likely you will wake up in the middle of the night buzzing like a bee and know intuitively you can venture out.  Or some kind of opportunity will present itself and you will recognize it as an OBE event (because you have become knowledgeable on the subject) and you will go with it in excitement.  People who are not knowledgeable on the OBE process become very fearful of these opportunities and make every effort to stop the process from happening and kill the OBE.

Now, the more OBE is on your mind (and I don't mean in such a way that you have negative thoughts about not being able to do it yet) the greater your chances of becoming aware of the opportunities.

In my opinion, what you are attempting is a "willful" projection.  A willful projection is extremely difficult to accomplish.  And if you do accomplish it once in two years of every night practice, you are doing great!  I have recently read an article that stated it takes about 300 to 500 hours of constant practice to achieve a willful projection.  I believe this is accurate.  It would take 45 minutes of practice every night for 660 days (just under two years) to achieve it.  And that's EVERY NIGHT for two years.  Skip the weekends and you can add 104 days (or 1/3 year) to that total.

I think these numbers are very realistic.  So...  You must...

Enjoy the hell out of practice!  Keep frustration to a minimum (if you can) or you'll never make the two to three years.

Every night can be a new experience.  Enjoy the small ones.  One of these nights, you won't go OBE, but you'll experience what its like to hear these audio hallucinations like people talking in you ear.  It will flip you out!  One night, you will see in 3-D technicolor a vision flash in front of you for a millisecond.  And it will flip you out!  Great experiences are there, from small things like ballooning of your hands, to your arm feeling like its twisting and twisting, to weird mind trips you won't be able to describe to your friend.  There waiting for you, you just need to have fun with it, even the scary stuff.  One time I was going OBE and these black things about the size of raccoons were crawling all over my chest preventing me from going out.  I freaked out at first, caught my composure, instead of fearing them as some little black beasts, I pet them and sent them "good vibes" and they reacted positively to it and went away happy.  Nothing bad can happen to you except your own fear.  Once you own your fear and can control it, all the little things that go bump in the night will be your friends, and you will become theirs.

Good luck.  Don't give up and don't get crazy with this stuff.  I have been practicing fairly consistently now for right about two years.  I have projected about 10 times now for very brief periods of time.  Too short for my desires!  From 10 seconds to maybe 5 minutes.

The other night I had my first VERY NEAR willful projection.  Everything lined up and I thought I was there.  I never made it, but from the previous OBE's I've had, I am sure I was 99% there, just couldn't quite do it.  Don't give up.

PM me if you want a detailed description of what I felt when I had my OBE's.

Funny you ask... I've had lots of dreams about bad storms the past year, most of them with tornadoes.  I remember being lucid in a couple of them.

Another recurring theme is being outside at night, looking up at the stars and seeing them all start to swirl and move about, thinking "here we go, its happening!" whatever that means.

I don't think any of it was stupid.  Anyway...

I have recently been thinking about the Earth in similiar ways.  Like does it have on some level a coherent consciousness?  I don't mean of course in the human perspective or sense, but as a unified consciousness made up of its parts (including us!).

I think that Focus 1 is our primary focus because thats where we have decided to focus our attention.  What Frank has explained is that going to focus 2, 3, or 4 is actually a mental exercise in moving your focus of attention or awareness to those levels.  We have "decided" temporarily to focus our attention on this level.

Question concerning this though... Is it possible there is a focus level beyond 1 going the other way.  Like if your primary focus was in 3, do they see focus 1 as being further away from 4.  And if so, is there a 1/2 (Something just beyond 1)?

I would assume, from how we all seem to interpret the energy similarly and agree on the nature of objects, that it's collective at the very least to a degree. But from certain comments Frank has made (ie being able to overcome gravity and levitate being possible), it also seems as though he's suggesting we can alter the 'rules' on an individual basis if we overcome the mental constructs we have developed as to what can or cannot be. If that's the case, then some of the things Jesus purportedly did would suddenly fit with his reputation as a spiritual teacher, and String Theory would be on the right track after all. And that's about all I'm going to give a shot at clarifying./i]

That's a great summary of my interpretation of things.  Good post.

And to answer the flying on LSD, I think the answer is about:
that it's collective at the very least to a degree

In order to accomplish the things Jesus purportedly did, you would have to have an accurate knowing of reality that is beyond this illusionary collective creation.

First of all, in order to accurately function through a physical vehicle, your perspective would have to be entrenched in this physical "collective" in order to hold it together during the first stages of your "unknowing of reality" that occurs in the early years of your current physical incarnation.  If you knew everything from the beginning, you wouldn't be able to take advantage of the "Earth School", cause it would no longer be a purely physical experience, a vital part of the illusion.

The "Not Knowing" is part of the process.  As you are moving through time in this incarnation, you would have to "evolve" in your understanding of how this system works to not only be able to "see" what the system is made up of, but how it works and how it can be manipulated while you are still participating in the system physically.

In other words, you would have to have enough faith in the illusion of reality to believe it is real so you can hold onto your physical, and at the same time, have enough faith in the illusion of the system to realize it is an illusion you make up and can alter.  Then, you have to have enough knowing of the system and its functions to be able to manipulate it, and have enough power over the collective to adjust its perspective into believing your created illusion is more real than their previously created beliefs/reality.  A tall order.

I think that once a specific soul reaches the point of knowing the system in this way, the traumas of physical life become trivial to them, and they lose interested in the system, they evolve past it knowing that the trauma is part of the learning your soul is utilizing, and they decide to move on to other experiences.

Rgr on the small steps  I was looking at Major Toms post in the FAQ, realized I've not actually made that much progress...Just goes to show you the difference between where you think you are, where you actually are...Ahem!  

Ain't that the truth!  But the cool thing is that your making progress, and this is proven due to the fact that you think you are further along than you are.  I think its also alot of wishful thinking too!  

Frank, from what I've read from your stuff, the combination of the Monroe model and your model in the beginning is very helpful.  I think your model (again, just from the reading) sounds more accurate, but the Monroe model is a great roadmap.  Its difficult to describe where you are in this whole process cause of the lack of experience you can relate it to.  So thanks again with all your patience with those of us without the experience!

Concerning the reaching out and visual stuff we're talking about now.  Let me know if this is accurate:  There are two types of visuals I experience and play with when practicing now.  One is like normal vision, where you can focus your "eyesight" on the lights and colors and other random images that flash in the darkness.  Then, I try to see "through" or 'past" these images and peer out into the blackness using the minds eye.  I can describe the mind eye vision like this...when you are talking to someone relating a past memory to them, for instance "when I was at the baseball game last night, a batter charged the mound..." while you are relating this story, there are no actually hallucinatory images you are seeing, but in you minds eye, the whole movie is playing out as you describe it.  Now, when practicing, I have begun to try to see through the "eyesight" stuff and peer into the vastness using my mind's eye.  I have found it to be a slippery line in that your normal vision gets thrust back into the picture (maybe this is what you guys are suggesting when you say you are trying to get your eyes under control) , but I feel I am making big strides with this type of visualization.

Now, with that being said, would I be correct in saying that if you were to successfully see the vastness with your mind's eye only and be fully engaged within that utility, you would be in Monroe's focus 10?  And if that be the case, taking it one step further, if you could not only see with the minds eye fully, but start engaging with the environment your minds eye is creating, you'd be in focus 12?  And then if you could control your mind or your intentions well enough to be benevolent with the environment you are now encased in, would the environment peel away to expose the 3D Blackness?  I think I'm getting it now.  I'm kinda excited.  If there is agreement with what I just said, I may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel!

Frank, I know all this focus level stuff isn't a true picture of "The Wider Reality", but it is a useful tool to guage progress.  Monroe's focus levels are broken down in a way that I'm trying to become familiar with as well as your own.  It helps me see my progression through this process and see my successes.  I have also had extremely clear auditory hallucinations during projection attempts.  Including random rambling by an unknown voices, singing by others, and even a conversation with one.  Just as real as talking to the person next to me.  I believe under your focus system it would be FoC2.  Under Monroe's would this stage be Focus 10 (beginning or end?)?

Just asking.  Thanks for your input.  Also, Kodemaster, thanks for the relaxation advise!

Will

what is your awareness of your physical body and your physical surroundings after the "click"? And after this click where do you perceive "you" to be... still in the physical or have you become manifest within your mind?

I am still aware of my physical, but I guess I can say definitely no physical input coming from my body.  At this point I am not aware of my breathing or heartbeat or anything, but I do still feel I am "in" my physical body.

Prior to the click, my awareness is very thin in the sense that I don't recognize the passage of time and stuff like that.  I have no idea how long I am in the state prior to the click, but at the same time I am fully conscious both before and after.  However, after the transition I am aware of the passage of time.

Maybe I am riding the borderline here.  When the click happens, its kinda like the awareness of myself wakes up, but in crystal clarity.   Could it be that I am riding the sleep border prior and I basically fall back into full awareness/consciousness but with a clear mind after?

Thanks,
Will

If you can stay calm, i.e. not get fearful or excited then you should get a major sensation of a transition.

Are you talking about the shift to Monroes Focus 10?  And concerning this shift, is it something like this:

After about 20 or so minutes of practice, my awareness will be very shallow.  Not thinking, doing, watching, trying anything at this point.  My awareness is very thin, then, all of a sudden, there will be this switch type effect.  No noise, but if there was it would be like a click.  All of a sudden, my mind becomes fully alert and crystal clear.  Its like if I were to be thinking of things at that point everything about those thoughts would be fully exposed.  But because my mind was clear, the sensation is one of crystal clear awareness of nothing.  Its not a spatial kind of feeling like the 3D blackness, but like my mind wakes up to clear emptiness.  Its almost like an empty vacuum and thoughts begin to happily fill the void.  When I first starting experiencing this, the thoughts were highly uncontrollable, kind of like opening flood gates.  It seems I have some degree of control over this flooding of thoughts now, but still very hard to control.

From what I've read in these forums, this seems to me the opening stages of Focus 10.  Would that be correct?  And if so, what would be the next thing I would want to focus on?  A rundown?  Keeping the mind as clear as possible?  Thanks!

Will

Frank, unfortunately, I think your last post rang quite true.  I believe in Democracy but see it slowly being eroded away through the evils of capitalism.  Capitalism isn't all bad, it is a powerful force that needs to be guided in a direction that is beneficial for all.

We, as a world, have the ability and the knowledge today to cure the ills of society.  We just need people in office who have the balls to do it.

I once believed that America/Democracy/Capitalism had the courage to lead the world in an all out rescue of humanity and environment.  Though there are millions of people who want the same, I see our garden gnome (lol, that fits him great!) damaging that leadership role.

I only hope that the next Administration recognizes the grave threat that is looming in the very near future and does something about it.

NGO (non-governmental organizations) and citizens of America sent $550 million dollars to help rebuild tsunami ravaged Indonesia, Asia, etc. and this type of humanitarian effort needs to be a catalyst.  And us "better than poverty" people of the world need to recognize that our efforts count as well, especially when magnified through a billion people.

The time is ripe for a slow transition of the world's army's to begin a humanitarian crusade to save the world (with capitalism funding it!).

I agree.  I made the changes Telos.

[except under certain conditions specified by law in the Magnuson-Stevens Act..." "These conditions include...the needs of fishing communities."]

June 22, 2005 MSNBC - The Bush administration on Wednesday proposed changing how overfishing is calculated — a move that conservationists fear would mean more, not less, fishing of endangered species.

The proposal would take into account "socio-economic considerations" in deciding when a species is overfished.

Do you know what this means?  The proposed changes include this ruling...
"Councils would end overfishing within the first year of a rebuilding plan, except under certain conditions specified by law in the Magnuson-Stevens Act..."  "These conditions include...the needs of fishing communities."

June 23, 2005 MSNBC WASHINGTON - The top American military commander in the Persian Gulf disputed a contention by Vice President willy Cheney that the Iraqi insurgency was in its "last throes" and told Congress on Thursday that its strength was basically undiminished from six months ago.

In a CNN interview last month, Cheney said that "the level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline. I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."

Oh, Chris, thank you for your post.  This was not an argument in which I was trying to win.  I just wanted to have honest, mind-opening discussion.

P.S.  Please pass my link to as many people as possible.  Nobody knows how bad it has gotten.  Maybe I'll post a topic on a recent environmental news article and go off on these tree hugger issues.  That would be fun.

www.oneplanetonelife.com

Thanks again.
Willis

Great post no leaf.  Great post.  A significant portion of Americans feel the country has been hijacked.  Like I said, I am republican, and party lines has nothing to do with this post.  I am appalled at Bush's arrogance and the blatant finger he waves to the other leaders of the world.

I hope this country can climb out of the hole this man has dug for us.