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Does the book come with the cd and computer shareware or is that extra? Its not clear on the link.......

wow......can you post for me next weeks Lotto numbers....heheheh
just joking, but wouldnt it be great.......inspiring stuff ,keep us informed of your progress......Shandor

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Well ,I've had a few very rough short obes and it definately feels like something is leaving the physical body, whether it is the soul/spirit I dont think so.......more like a webcam connected to the physical body/brain by the silver cord which transfers the data to the hard drive. I think more and more along the lines of a larger soul/spirit( somwhere? ) else and the consciousness having this life experience as only a small part of the whole which itself is only a small part of another whole which is unimaginable and unexplainable in physical universe language or concepts..In Robert Monroes last book he talks of an obe experience where it seems to me he is meeting all his past lives and they are all waiting for him and cheering him on to atain "lift off velocity"' (clear all their built up kama's and attatchements)so they can all go somwhere together like a big space ship..
It was sort of encouraging to think of the possibility that there are a whole lot of my past lives cheering for me in my humble life's journey.......Travell well in good ways.....Shandor

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Hi mobius,
                i stuffed up too and bought all tapes but they wernt avaliable on cd when i first started with them.(dont supose you have a cd burner do you?)...hav'nt heard off this "Erevna,inter dimension and altered states"mob are they Australian? Once you convert the price to Aussie $ these days its abit out of my price range to buy them all over again.....do you find much diference in using the cd's as aposed to the tapes?have you ever had a consciouse obe while listening to any of the taped exercises?If so which one ?What about the last series focus 21, how have you found them?I hav'nt used them for awhile and feel its about time i dusted them off and started using them again........ I'm yet to have enough control of my Astal body to do any seriouse experimenting ,i still get blown away from my short trips around the ceiling and puting my head into the stone walls.....How about you, whats your experiences like?......Travell well in good ways ....shandor

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Grendel I know exactly what your talking about i had exactly the same thing , I too heard and read about fear stuff assosiated with OBE's and thought I'd overcome all my fears ,death, dying , what if's etc but when it came to the crunch ie right before an exit during the vibration stage ,this overwhelming deep ,deep fear came over me that was unexplainable and something I'd never experienced ,it was more than fear it was something terifying the most fearful fear one could never imagine  and i couldnt go through with it.......the next time it happened ,because I was slightly familiar with "it" the second time, I was able to stay calm and go through with the projection and once out of my body it went away .......and I hav'nt had it since....I have a few theories myself ,1. could be a safety mechanism to stop those who arnt completely ready for the experience 2. Childhood memory recall of primal fear assosiated with birth or somesort of pastlife primal fear 3. Or something to do with the vibration frequency ,if your energy levels are low you could be vibrating at a lower frequency on exit and thus resonating with lower frequency energy's or energy forms (scary lower astral stuff)......good luck

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Hi'   Yea something clicks for me reading your theories, i had some huge vibrations once and the exit was realy rough, i felt on leaving all these hands grabbing my astral body and the whole experience was realy dark...other times with less vibrations on exits the experience has been pleasurable...medium vibrations it seems like i have half a brain and cant think clearly....on returning i think to myself..."How come I couldnt think as clearly as i do now".......yes it all seems to make sense. I wonder if RB has experimented with this.....

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Hi'
      hey Mobius no one else would get the "What the " joke but us Rove Live Aussie fans......Just a thought when reading your post on memory stuff.........the silver cord connecting the 2 bodies could be transfering the memories and other information into the physical brain, and deciphering sensations "felt" by the astral body into physical body language and sensations...just a thought...

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hi astralmaster(nice id)
                                   Well i had one spontaneouse one when i was about 10 flew around my bedroom a couple of times then slamed back into my body (no vision).Scared the ***** out of me. I didnt have anymore until I became interested in them after reading Muldoons book writen in the 60's. I practiced the techniques and had another short one after a few months however as I left my body I felt all these hands grabbing my astral body and when i tried to enter my body again i felt I could'nt open my eyes, which I eventually did. This realy scared the hell out of me and I vowed not to try that again..However something just kept me realy interested and I bought over the years every book I could find on the subject.Then discovered Monroes books which realy inspired me to try again.I still have had only very short exits and reentries , the main hurdle was the fear, it can be a realy terifying experience, my body vibrating so hard that it feels like I'm lifting off the bed with the vibrations,and to just keep calm can be quite hard .Reading Roberts book gave me some peace of mind as he describes this feeling of hands grabbing at you, and says to just stay cool.....I find also the best time is about 3am ,go to bed early and set your alarm, when you wake up get up and have a pee and sip of water .When you lay down again your body is still realy relaxed and your mind is alert having had a good sleep. practice RB's energy techniques then relax and stay alert........you'll be amazed at your progress.....Travell well, in good ways.....Shandor

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To Alpha....I realy enjoyed his second book the best however you realy must read them all............there truely inspiring.

To Quebec.......I totally agree with your understanding of the vibrational levels, that is why it is important to do the ground work ie raising your energy storage  levels ,clearing blocks in the charkras, so your humming along like a well tuned car ready to rev higher to match the vibrations at these higher levels.......Bye

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Hi everyone,
                     Well I have all 42 tapes in the Gateway series and have been using them on and off for over8 years. at first I was realy excited and restricted myself to 1 tape per week (using it every day) .When I didn't have an Obe after the first 6 i was a bit disapointed, but kept going. When they brought out the last 6 tapes (focus 21) I got realy excited again ,however I have never had an obe with the tapes.I must say though they have realy helped me in ways I cannot describe in words, and are extremely helpful for practicing deep trance states. I got abit disallusioned and didnt realy give the last 6 a proper go and lateley have been thinking of combining the tapes first then using RB's techniques after it has finished or during. I have had a few very short and rough obe's using RB's book and techniques and realy cant say enough about his work , it's definately the way to go. Sheer hard work and determination cant be beat by anything. I have a feeling also that until one is truely ready in all aspects that the full spectrum of the obe experience will be just out of reach. It is not the end product that is important but the journey getting there..........Dream well......Shandor

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