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i just read that Felicitas Goodman says meditation is decreasing the ability to fall into trance.  by trance she means extacic type of trance which is probably different from the trance that is ment by folks over here. also the trance figures reportet by her are meant to increase the ability to control and finetune trance states and also using them would give a good symbolical borderline beetween normal consciousness and excercises.

dont ask me, im just reporting second hand info

http://www.ritualbodypostures.com/

i think "Ecstatic Body Postures: An Alternate Reality Workbook" is the english edition of the book i am referring to

i had good resuslts with the MAP presets, especially 'week 04 lucid dreaming'. it uses higher frequencies than abbys and boxed nirvana and my consciousnes loves to suspend itself, so i need something higher to stay in control and awareness

just make sure u run a virus check on your cracks n patches.
as bitdefender reports "trojan.small.cr" in the regpatch released by "diablo2oo2 / mAsTeR_pOwEr". i don't think it's a dangerous one. maybe just a false report. but u never know

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yes.

if i remember correctly i was thinking pretty fast, before i got there. and i am nearly sure, i would not get there if i would just try to stop my thoughts. like i try while meditating (i am bad at that).
i think it was like i thought a verry long chain of fast logically connected thoughts and then i came to and end. as the chain was finished. and i "forgott" to get a new topic. lingering on that moment where everything was thought.

would "trancending" be an acceptable term for this?

thanx tom, seems like you might talk about the same thing.

(I'm not sure whether i undestood the last part, though, if there is some secret in it)

glimpse of the higher level which supports and contains the physical experience.

knucklebrain:  

what state is that? just synchronized theta? something more specific? is there a name for it?

it is Sunday morning, you have a walk outside the city, look across the field where the railroad connects horizon and infinity. suddenly some border breaks up. you are connected to time. time line becomes like a touchable object and no such thing as a specific moment exists. you are aware of the age of whatever you see. that tree is not here right now, it 'was existing' as is. it feels like a memory, an old forgotten memory. but none you know, none that is connected to your real life. maybe an abstract image of a forgotten fantasy, that once worked as a symbol of subconscious content and now acts as a key to that old subconsciousness? like you are connected to a whole universe of feelings and associations, which are bound to that time, which is bound to the physical moment, that you catch up with your eyes. but you can not contact a single feeling or association itself. it's all there in a single second. then it's over. and you wonder, from where inside you did that unknown universe come. and it's like you have not been there for the first time.

do you know that? do you know a way to get there?
i had that quite often in childhood, but these days i get it only about four times a year

as long as you can hear a binaural beat with both ears but not with one ear alone it works and cant harm you. only verry few tapes use so low or so high carrier frequencies that they would be affected by compression. or CD containing "silentsound" subliminals cant be compressed as well. but mp3 compression works perfect for most stuff. like "metamusic" series from monroe institute. i recomend the "remembrance" CD. get's me in well synchronised low beta.

pardon my bad english, you where talkin about accidntal projections and doing baby steps... so am i

i take for granted that it is normal to have that stage.
think. others try for years without succes. we are the lucky ones.

i have no money my self. there is emule where you can get some mp3 files if you have broadband flatrate. and evil people know cheap ways to register bwgen, but i wont tell u since they probably don't like that topic here. i mean the moderators not the evil ones.

it is verry likely that i have add without h. add has been descibed as "having too much of asynchronized theta brain waves". or my brain hast just a sick tendency of beein asynchronous. maybe it has a verry healthy and spiritual tendency to be in low theta and beeing asynchronous ist just the result of not beein able to handle that (in conjuction with stressfull left brain oriented modern life). i dont take everything they say about add. and still hope to learn to better control. if i could afford neurofeedback, that would be the best.

unless you do not allready know bwgen or the like i have no method for you. give up? don't know. im sort of in the accidental baby stage myself....

i had such sensations and intuitively enjoyed them without fear. manifestations, that's what they are. and they can do whatever pleases you. believe in it. if you think it's a monkey on your back you can turn around while hoping it will be a nice lady once you have turned around. unless you like monkeys. lol. pardon. by dooing so (turning around) you might get a feeling for your energy body .just dont believe the energy sucking myths. leaving your body sucks far more energy than "manifesting" an erotic fantasy. i sort of believe in "entities" but i expect those "succubi" to be nothing else than those manifested daemons that visit you during sleep paralysis. you can proof that they are part of your own mind once you are able to controll them "telepatically". i would not expect an real "entity" to be so obedient...

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17379&highlight=

lol, i will extend that funny topic. i have just read that stuff about kundalini. so if keepin your energy is all about keeping your sperm, than i am well off, since i never ever had an orgasmn in an erotic dream or with such an succubi. am i weird? nay.

you raise you consciousness from sleeping, higher and even higher and then just a little bit too high. now your counciusness is awake but your body still asleep. yes it is verry likely that you get awareness during sleep paralysis more often as you try to become more lucid. do some reading about sleep paralysis. whether deamons or aliens or ducks or no one visites you during that state depends on your expectations. just don't be afraid.
as sleep paralysis is partially chemical it can sometimes take a while and even be painfull to get out of it...



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a little story from the other side about what could happen if you talk :

i was in a psychosomatic clinic a year ago. one with a spiritual background where they do TAKETINA (dancing to trance) and stuff. at that time i knew nothing. an that mate from my therapy group talked about walking along the lane, during night, after having left his body. he said, when he crossed the electrical lights, they would flash up. and he talked about being met by ghost. he was an extroverted strong borderline like guy, not a sensitive one, but at that point i really thought that must be some kind of unconventional schizophrenia. the point is: he was talking about it "like a duck takes the water" and forgot to mention that all this happened in the "astral plane". to me it seemed like he has no sense of differentiation between physical reality and ... the other-one. that frightened me to death and i became paranoid about him. what if he would feel menaced by my like by his ghosts and would think i am a ghost. he was sleeping next door to me. he might beat me um with his thousand muscles. (I'm the sensitive introverted schizoid type - could never defend from a borderliner cause my energy is rather frozen than on fire). funny- that night i had sleep paralysis and was visited by a daemon-dude who sucked me dry telepathically. next day i had a sort of psychotic energy level and was completely scared because it felt like this mentioned mate's subconsciousness would have sendet that daemon to me. i was scared to THINK in order not to enrage his subconsciousness even further. (i never accused him of doing such a thing intentionally)
this fear sucked even more of my energy. not being allowed to think is an intense experience!! i swooned 2 times the next day.

and all of this chain reaction was triggered by a Little misunderstanding through a negligibly told story about an astral experience. although, as an agnostic, I am much more open than anyone you would meet on the street !! these were just human fears from my subconsciousness triggered by "confrontation with something extraordinary" since every extraordinary experience is the trigger to the subconsciousness to reorder itself. this is a naturally learning mechanism. and if you talk to people about this stuff you will trigger it, so they have to face their own biggest fear because of you, and subconsciously, that is, without reflecting, so they might not understand a thing and even blame you.

so...

i don talk to people about stuff to protect them. if they want to learn about culturally negotiated sides of nature they shall ask first. i think this is a very important rule.

hey, it's like saying i am schizoid. you guys may know everything about OBEs but most here might know nothing about psychology.  probably some people will falsely think i was a killer or something. sarcastic LOL. its so sad. someone should enlighten humanity

well. lol, robert monroe met them at church, or somethin, didn't he? it would surely be the right place to look out for people who saw angels and the like. it's not the right place for me.
i wonder myself ... i would expect to exist signs, symbols, something to know each other. you know any?

i dont know any tunnel but i had slight stabbing pain in places (top back&toptemple), now and then. i dont worry about that.

export as wav. if you own a burner (software) read it's manual about burning a wav as audiotrack. i use a mp3 flash player anyway. verry recommandable for such purposes.

i know bwgen since one and a half month. used it mainly to enhance concentration (attention deficit whatever).

i used the preset MAP week 04 Lucid Dreaming. my hope was, at least, to remember some vivid dream. i had vibrations while still sitting in front of my computer. by that time i did not know a thing about OBEs. next day i used it like advised (in bed). i awoke and was hoovered out of my body by extremely intense vibrations and noise. i had big trouble to activate my 'astral sight'. it was like being born. sort of

later oobes where not that intense physically and some where slightly less lucid. but i had seven ones during that month and all with that preset.

however, it does no longer work in the evening like it did about four times. i need to wake up after 4 hours, or so, then use it, then sleep on. i will then awake to "exit" or exit while in hypnagogik state.

i don't do that every night. i think it's very important to entertain your brain with unpredictable extremes of various forms. to spread the bandwith....

from the preset description

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Overview: All the lucid dreaming programs in this series were designed with the same approach, using several voices with a binaural beat frequency of 4 MHz (delta state ideal for OBE) while simultaneously playing several voices with a binaural beat frequency at or above 15 MHz (normal, waking consciousness).  The simultaneous pull toward both sleeping and waking consciousness causes a slight internal tension that seems to stimulate the energy body, especially when raising energy using the full-body circuit (see chapter 3).  Going to sleep after listening to this preset can provide very vivid and often lucid dreams, though the preset itself can bring on OBE symptoms and even a full-blown exit.  If this should happen, relax and allow it to happen.

Each of the lucid dreaming programs uses background sounds to provide further relaxation.  This week's program uses heavy rain.  Voices 1-6 are all set with a binaural beat frequency of 4 MHz, while voices 7-0 are at 15 MHz and greater.  Many of the latter voices are also modulated and use slightly "harsher" waves for a little extra kick.  Visual frequency is set to 4 MHz.

Voices 7-0 begin about 2.5 minutes into the program, starting at a high audible frequency and gradually descending at different rates that pull the sound out of harmony.



so i finally found the topic i was searching for. let's try to write in English after having no sleep for 24hours ...

well, i had seven remembered oobes so far (all during last month), each one was different by means of lucidity and details.... i never saw my body and last night i clearly saw my empty bed, while this time my room was identical to the real room (in every detail). i flew to the window with the intention to jump and fly outside for the first time.
i was already outside, still holding on to the roof-window's grip.

and started to worry...
like: "if my physical body is not in bed, then where the heck is it? ... am I just throwing it out of the physical window while dreaming this was an oobe?"

lol, these worries shot me back into my physical body where i awoke....


well thats my stupid story ....

my idea is that people who see the their bodies on the other side have a strong psychological connection to their body. therefore their subconscious either wants to project the physical body on the other side (synthesize it) or it is ease for the subconscious to do so.

i mainly think so, because i myself have a very bad relation to my body and i don't really miss it out there.

any objections?

(it's a thought, not an opinion nor a believe - i try to do the agnostic thing: everything is possible - nothing is sure (or nothing is "real" since we can never be sure about our definition of the word "real" anyway))

i don't mention this to bore u, but because i think this attitude plus my 'schizoid type' (bad relation to physical reality and body) makes me being an "natural".

(never tried to have an oobe, just tried to remember more dreams)

this attitude clearly reduces my fear. and if some entity tries to snatch myself the entity might be real, but, so what, my self is not. i win, i win. just kiddin...

what i find to be funny is, that i always see something, once i come around a mirror. the first time I was naked and looked like iggy pop (didn't see the face, just the ... weener). the last time i looked exactly like myself but without fat (talking about my face). and i had orange an Lila aura. can i see my "real" aura in an astral mirror?

am i so attached to my face (as in "container of narcissistic feelings") so i just need to project it there (synthesize it)? can i jump through a mirror?
well i still have thousands of questions ..  hard to stay on topic


thoughts of a no0b
so far....