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I would say phasing is the way to go. Like Stookie, I have had some great experiences with phasing, and one of the best features is that you can sometimes hit on the state by accident, like when half asleep.

Stepping into scenes and walking around is great fun!

When you mentioned the Quickening, I thought you were talking about Highlander!

Maybe that's what 2012 is about: (que Sean Connery accent) 'the Time of the Gathering..... when the few who remain will battle to the last... no one has ever known that we were among you... until now'.


(Que Queen score) 'HERE WE ARE... BORN TO BE KINGS... WE'RE THE PRINCES OF THE UNIVERSE'

In my view, any resistance is due to your mind. Other than that, there are no barriers.

For some reason, people have issues with glass and this manifests in the form of some kind of barrier. I would say it is the projector who is projecting the barrier.

Think about it logically for a moment. If you can go through walls and doors, then you can go through a glass window.

The talk about densities etc doesnt really cut it, as you have people who have psychological blockages with doors and walls also. Once they overcome this, they can pass through them no problem.

For some reason, glass also generates psychological issues with regard to going through it, but I pass through windows no problem at all.

That is amazing stuff and thanks Ben your your exhaustive PM on the matter of F3 also.

Concerning F3, we seem to be coming to the conclusion that all of Monroe's F23-F27 or Frank's F3, may only be the very early stages of the whole R3/Transition area stage. Hardly scratching the surface even, although Monroe's/Frank's work does has the added advantage of coming from people who have actually experienced these areas for themselves, rather than just listening to a lecture on the matter from a communicated source.

However, the communicated sources such as Seth and Elias are providing much needed expansion on what we have already discovered and help to put them into some context.

Elias's description  of F4/R4 is excellent!

By the way, I think it was Seth who first came up with the 4 framework model, although he only went into detail about F1 and F2. It was always assumed that Seth was coming from F4 and his piece on the 'mechanics of transition' in 'Seth Speaks' is assumed to take place in F3.

However Elias provides clarification on this matter and expands further.

I'm looking forward for more info from this source in the future... these communications are still ongoing i believe.

Keep it up. Eventially these images will become more and more solid and stable. You will come to see moving images and scenes being played out in front of you. This is what is often called 'the astral screen'.


Your next stage, and this is actually the action of phasing itself, is to will yourself to step directly into the scene itself, and then tadaa! You are there. You can then take a walk around, chat to the locals and see what's what.


You are on the right track, so keep up what you are doing as it seems to be generating the right results.

Regards,

Douglas

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Dont be confused! You are doing exactly the right thing! Don't change what you're doing!!!

The 3D blackness can best be described as a 'bridge state', inbetween the 'astral' and your own mind. If you like, it's where your mind meets the wider astral.

It is very much something you see with your 'mind's eye', like your phasing experiments, however there are various methods for achieving this state. One of them is to *start* by looking into the blackness behind your eyes and eventially, as your body settles into a relaxed state and your mind stays aware, you will notice a subtle mental switch, where the darkness begins to take on perpective, it has distance and is 3D. At this point, you are not using your physical vision, but your mind's eye. You have switched between the two in a smooth manner.

Selski for example, may still be aware of her physical eyes and can even move them, but she is not really seeing with them any more.

For me, I am not aware of my eyes at all by this stage.

I hope this is of some help.

Doug

Yeah,

I'm not sure what has happened to Ginny.

btw Selski, I know what you mean. In the 3d blackness state, or indeed any phasing type state, its like you can still be aware of your physical eyes and you are aware of the movement of them, but you are not seeing with them any more. You are now seeing with your non-physical vision - or 'minds-eye', except now your 'minds-eye' is crystal clear and in front of you, not indistinct as in normal waking life.

Everyone experiences it slightly differently. For example, I tend to slip into it backwards! I feel myself getting heavier and heavier and feel like I'm slipping down through the mattress, then Im travelling backwards through the 3d blackness, sometimes slowly, sometimes at a feeling of great speed, like a rollercoaster!

Hmm, sorry I can't be more helpful, but unfortunately I don't use WAVE 2.

I only make use of the Wave 1 cd and even then only Track 2 (intro to focus 10). According to Frank's advice, this is the only track you need to be practising with; the rest is unnecessary.

Hi,

I can do no better than to direct you to Frank Kepple's excellent guide on the Gateway 1 cd:


This is the original starter post by Frank:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave_1_pointers_original_post_by_frank-t25243.0.html

And here is the continuing thread with all the responses to this post, along with Frank's on-going advice and answers to questions:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave1_pointers-t1832.0.html


Enjoy!

Yeah, I was going to say: Fear is the other big block to progress in phasing/obe.

The two biggest barriers to progress: doubt and fear.

Keep them in check and you're in for an easy ride (easier said than done of course!).

Ginny is great. I don't know whatever happened to her.

Whatever the nitty gritty of the method you use, the most powerful tool is BELIEF.

If you start doubting that you can do it, then you won't do it. It's as simple as that. This game is all about conquering your doubt - doubt is the biggest block to progress.

You may think this method is too easy, but if you really believe you can do it, then I fully expect you will get the result you are looking for. It may take a few attempts, or many, but as long as you keep at it then you will get there eventually. What tends to happen though is that people don't get results quickly enough and then start to think 'hmm this isn't working' or 'I can't do this'. Bang goes your chances of success. You have to keep doubt at bay. It's hard to emphasise this enough!

Interesting that Moen says its ok to move your eyes around. Usually, most methods say to try NOT to move your eyes around.

I guess it works different ways for different people.

Usually you try to get into the situation where you 'see' the blackness with your mind's eye, instead of your physical eyes. After a while your mind makes that mental switch. Having your physical eyes moving around is usually a distraction in my opinion.

Hi Ben,

Interesting piece there about Elias and his comments about Monroe, although i disagree with Jenny talking about how she didn't like the Monroe Institute's talk of levels and heirarchies. Actually Monroe, like Elias, also does not accept the concept of heirarchies. The levels are simply labels used to define certain areas of consciousness. Monroe was quite clear about this, as is the institute imo.

Anyway, I re-read some of Elias' info on the 4 regions and they do conform quite well to Frank's description, and in turn Monroe's, although as I said, he doesn't really go into specific detail on the environments, as does Frank or Monroe, as Elias seems to be more concerned with the broader scope.

One thing that seems clear to me is that Focus 3 or 'Region 3' is *way broader* than many people may have realised until now.

Frank was more concerned with the 'transition aspect' of F3, which is important although he mentioned that there were other elements that make up the region too, although he didn't know too much about them. Elias very much expands on this.

Also, Frank's description of people in F3 describes them very much like ourselves and the environments very earth like, in fact *more earth like than earth* as he says... a kind of hyper reality.

However Elias goes on to talk about people in F3 transition engaging and becoming aware of their other selves (focuses), but clearly this must be happening at a point beyond Frank's upper F3 (F27) level, as these people he found in F3 were still very much like ourselves on earth, ie with one main focus.

What comes across to me is that Frank's and Monroe's description of F3/f27 is in reality only the early stages of F3/transition.... eventually there comes a point where you must come into full realisation of all your other focuses and this in turn prepares you for the eventual primary focus switch to F4.

Actually, I think Frank may have hit on this already, as interestingly, in his discussions about F3 and F4, he said that he had come across people who were 'kind of half in F4 and half out of it so to speak'; To me this state sounds like an even 'higher' state of F3 and possibly the state of multi-dimensional awareness that elias talks about via F3 transition (although i don't like the term 'higher' - but you know what I mean).

This means that the whole F3/F23-F27 environments that Monroe and Frank talk about, are only the tip of the iceberg of F3 and indeed the whole 'transition process'.

I also like Elias's description of how there were also those resident in R3 who, instead of being engaged in transition, have decided to become specialised in communicating and engaging with those in F1/R1. I guess this covers all the mediums and their non-physical colleagues, and perhaps related to this area, all those who engage in 'retrieval work', as this involves those who have entered into difficulty on their immediate transfer from F1 to F3.

Have any of you found any part of the elias material that goes into detail on the various regions of consciousness in the same way as Monroe/Frank et al?

I did read the sections of Elias's 'region 1 to 4 model', which pretty much tallies with Frank's system and in turn Monroe's, but I noticed Elias doesnt really spend much time describing the environments of these areas in the same detail as Frank or Monroe; I think mainly because Elias is trying to get across the big picture as it were.

However it would be nice if he provided some detail of specific regions and their workings, just so as to provide a comparison.

I agree, but a lot of people don't realise that channelings come through a fog of distortion  and people often take them as undisputed fact.

It's more difficult because the channeling individual may have no idea what part is genuine and what part comes from their own mind or mind of others in the room. We all have our own beliefs.

The problem is obvious when Elias describes how the 'Elias' that we hear at our end is actually an amalgamation of the 'real' Elias and the channeling subject - for the duration of the communication, 'elias' is in effect a new being, made up of the two personalities.

No wonder ideas, concepts and theories get mixed up! Channeling will always suffer from these limitations, which is why i guess the best approach is Monroe's or Frank's: i.e. go there yourself and experience it directly... easier said than done though for most of us!

That's why I brought the 'Elias' material to light. Although you might not accept everything that elias says and all channelled information has to be treated with caution, there is much there that recommends itself to Frank's model and may provide an extension to it.

Yes, it does take a while to get your head around it, but actually, a lot of it does make sense when you come to think of it.

The 25th of December was chosen as Jesus's birthday as it coincided with the winter solstice and the birthday of the eastern Son God Mithras, who's birthday was 25th December.

While Christianity was not a sun cult per say, as I have heard some people say, there is no doubt that Sun worship practises were incorporated into the religion to make it more popular and to provide a sense of continuity.

People seem to imagine that christianity sprung out of nowhere and appeared fully formed. This is not true.

Sun worship was very popular, with emperors introducing elements of this into religious practise as early as the 270s AD.

When the emperors from Constantine onwards incorporated christianity into state religion, there was some smoothing over.

Churches were aligned to the east to face the rising sun, jesus's birthday was made 25th of december. Jesus took on certain elements of the Sun and actually this worked very well as the sun served as a useful metaphor for jesus and the message of christianity; that christianity incorporated many pagan elements should not be seen as an attack. I'm just saying it used these themes as they were already popular motifs... its just used them to convey its own particular message.

A well known example today would be the harvest festivals.. especially Thanksgiving in America... the harvest festival, giving thanks for a good harvest, with offerings of the produce etc, goes back to ancient times. The festival has continued but it has now been incorporated by christianity and this ancient pagan celebration is now used to convey the message of christianity: People used to give thanks to the gods for a good harvest, now it is god. The cornucopia or 'horn of plenty' is a frequent symbol of harvest time.. this symbol goes back way before christianity, yet it has now been incorporated into the christian harvest festival.

There are many such locations in the astral, all based on the expectations and beliefs of people who shared those beliefs. As like + like in the astral, and thought = action, then those who believe firmly in a hell, with flames and demons with pitchforks etc and they believe they are going there, then that is where they will go.... they will stay there until they begin to realise that there are other options and they can move beyond the scenario in question, often this involves help from outside.

The same can be said of all the 'heavens' out there, based on mainstream religious texts.

There are also all manner of other scenarios there, based on whatever whacky ideas people come up with.
You can certainly ask to be taken on a tour of them, or you can visit them yourself.

Its worth advising you however that in the hell-like scenarios as well as all other scenarios generated by people's base instincts, you will be cofronted with all the worst that humanity has to offer, and then some.. you will come across areas where people are happily indulging in their favourite pastimes of murder, child rape, torture, mutilation etc.... not pretty.

'Life reviews' appear to be very common events in near death experiences. I make the distinction here between 'near death experiences' and astral projections, because the accounts we have seem to suggest that NDEs are a LOT more lucid than most 'average obes'. In fact awareness is often cited as being *higher* than normal waking life, not just the same.

In phasing terms, I would explain this as a short term *primary focus* switch from F1 level awareness to F3 level awareness, which is much more solid than most obes: your average OBE/Astral projection/phasing attempt only involves a temporay focus of attention in other areas but the primary focus is still set to F1. Your *primary focus* only switches to F3 when you end your physical life here.

The life reviews can often involve the participation of another being, usually perceived as a ball of golden light and emanating what we perceive as unconditional love. However these beings are often said to have distinct personalities, even a sense of humour in some cases. They go through the life review with you, sometimes making comments here and there and pointing out things. The life reviews often highlight how our actions affect others and the reviewee is often given the chance to experience the emotional impact of these actions and how they are perceived by the other person.

'Life After Life' is a classic book which features many such near death experiences.

My guess is that the balls of light are guides, ie people living in the afterlife (F3/F27 in focus terms) who are assigned to assist you. In their raw state, that is when they have not adopted their favourite human form, then they often appear as balls of sparkly light. They radiate a kind of loving energy which can provoke waves of emotion in you if you encounter them.

It should be pointed out that 'Life after life' also features some life review accounts which do not have a 'guide' associated with them, in their case, the review is only experienced by the individual concerned.

I have observed that my dog noticed me on once occasion when I had a projection and I floated through to the kitchen. He looked up and wagged his tail. For him it was nothing out of the ordinary, it was just me. The fact of whether I have a body or not doesnt seem to matter!

I think this is why animals can react to other 'presences'. As far as they are concerned, they have detected an intruder, whether physical or not.

That's interesting, although for me, not very suprising. I never really took any of the biblical stories literally in any case. I see them as mythology and as with other mythology, they are infused with symbolic meaning.

I doubt there ever was one single figure called 'Jesus Christ'. I believe the figure is a composite of several figures as well as being a personification of the core values and ideology of the Christian system, I never took him as a literal figure. So much of the bible story is related to earlier pagan mythology, especially the fixation with 'dying and rising' god types, a common god motif of the ancient near east.

Anyway, without getting into a discussion on the development of Christianity, which belongs in another forum, I think its interesting how much of the Elias material gels with what else I have read, but also how some of it differs. I think that with all channeled information there is some element of doubt due to data contamination, namely the beliefs and ideas held by the channeling individual, as well as others directly involved. Elias is the first to admit this.

Good point!