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you could search wikipedia
search for ken wilber

integral means 'not trying to create another brandnew better unique worldview' but taking the best from all that have been and finding how there could be a common truth hidden in all of them and not accepting any 'truth' that would dismiss any older wordview unless there is a really good eyplanation for why and how exactly they could have been wrong like that. the socalled philosophia perennis was one of the first integral approaches (i think).

eg integrating science and spirit

did u try google?
i did
http://jonasridgeway.com/tech1.html

oh, something else:

the humanmetrics test is not failproof (no test i know is that)

it called me infp once (urgh, me???) and calls me intj sometimes. (with only one +point for T). it's mainly four letter based, that's a weakness, as i oviously have a huge preference for Ti and none such for Te. i am still infj with every cell.

i really like this page: http://personalitypage.com for empathic descriptions.

and http://keirsey.com has a verry good test, but sais some strange things, but it quite good overall

since you kind of spill forth

you re right. damn, I did i again  

[functions]

hi, i am an mbti-infj (Ni,Fe,Ti,Se)

i am into types quite long and my message for you beginners is:

1) its all about 8 functions, not about four letters

Fe is completely different from Fi and so on...
either pay full attention to the EIGHT functions and develope an understanding of each one plus an understanding of how each one melts to a pair with a specific set of neigbour functions. or keep in mind that you are just scratching the surface wich WILL result in major misunderstandings. dont overvalue the J/P concept, at best dont even use it unless you know what it realy means!

the four letter code is usefull as a mnemonic rhyme for advanced typers, only

2) the mbti is on the inside.

keep in mind that descriptions of functions based on "resulting objective physical behavior of a person" may be good for a first understanding but they are wrong in the end. mbti&co are about introspective realities but observable behavior is about ego, about faking, about triyng hard, about compensating and whatnot....

3) the mbti is not everything.

learn also about the enneagram. it is "higher" (speaking integrally) therefore stronger. for example a front mbti intro-intuition may be killed by certain enneagram types, or a realy low intro-sensing may be pushed to a verry good functioning by another enneagram type. it will however still be in the same low postition (as claimes by the mbti type) when it comes to spontaniously reacting to situations. this means the subjective observation of "this function works well for me" does not have to mean its at front in the mbti chain.
in short: mbti does not really say where you are "good" or "weak". it's about attention order. often "normal" people have underdeveloped inferior functions, but gifted people may have full possible strengths with every function. still there would be the typespecific chain order.


4) you are not "your description"

dont believe in those type descriptions as if they where rules. you can not realy describe a type truely unless you talk about introspective stuff, but there is no language to do this, especially no language that would be understood by anyone in the same way. and as descriptions make portraits of how people or their functions show up when observed from the outside, there is only a vague statistical truth to descriptions. type is not about characters, its about how one EXPERIENCES his own human existance. imagine 16 people lying on the beach with closed eyes. a perfect type description would explain how they experience this situations differently. this cant be done with our stupid language. we have no words. you need a lot of empathy to understand the mbti. there are plenty of people without it who missuse the mbti to compensate just this lack. they want to nail people down. they talk a lot of bull* about types. be carefull, just because someone talks "scientifically" does not mean he understands anything. jung himself was actually more of an intuitive observer, than a technical theoryfanatic.

5) "they are among us"

never ever mix socionics with the mbti. i dont knwow for sure wheter any of the socionics type-function-chains actually exists in living people, but i know plenty of people with well observed approved mbti-chains (both introspective and 'objective' observed) and it would be sort of a rape to call them by the same-labeled 4letter socionics types.



what about spirituality?

yes, there are major differences in how mbti types experience stuff and where their strengths are. the existence of differences are quite obvious to any type observer. but i know of no reseach and it's all much more complicated than you may think when you are a beginner and you think you can play with analogies based on descriptions.

you like my spelling? my mbti type makes a good excuse for that
mothertongue makes the rest
edit: corrected the worst, should be readable now

@007

Hey how does Hemi Sync compare to the free mp3s which are advertised on this site

incomparable, like m.jingo said about bwgen  (at  Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:25 pm)  these files are meant to make a sudden extreme reaction like beating your state with a hammer.  the nirvana file is messing with mad "jesussonsciousness" at 70 hz wich will likely  'just' entrain you partially up to over 20 hz and create anxiety and stress and sleeplessness for one or more days (if you are not flexible enough to correct your state once it was messed up)
worst thing hemisync would do is: nothing. at best it teaches you controll

i don t say files designed for sudden reactions are bad, just some of them use verry stupid frequencies. dont trust but research & think on each of them.

yes, acutually my "experienced selftrancendence" was made mainly out of smoke, so far  

[ing]

gods in the training

i believe it must be something like that.
maybe it's not so much that we are beeing trained "to become something". more like we ARE something "growing", and by beeing a "growing part" we are allready doing an godlike "duty" anyway. without even knowing or understanding. like batteries. our funktionin principles are based on the rules of godlyness and godlyness is itself nothing else but a set of "rules". every"thing" is "working".

bible says humans are modelled after the patterns of god.
(dont know how that sentence goes in english)

regarding the question of the "first one", ken wilber will explain the answer. can't put that in this little text box.

well, the "first one" was not a living beeing, anyway.
but it trencendet itself. therby a bigger "holon" was created. so the cosmos grew vertically from the center of the first one in the direction of selftrancendence. and a whole lot of holons (read: "depth") had to be created until enough "width" was reached in this "cone" to deliver the complexity that is needed to create selfaware unique seperatet entities.

an english exercise by nanook

[or as less alive]

this is all about egocentricism versus experienced self trancendence.

while trancending your ego and all that crap which you considered to be a part of "you" until now, you stop beeing just a "you". you stop beeing "human" in the way you used to define what a human beein is.

thereby you experience that "you" is rather 'nothing', than 'everything'!!! so are all the other "yous" out there. the human yous. so none of "us" human yous is god!

and while you are seeing "you" from the outside, you can tell that everyone is as much or as less alive than you. you hardly exist, in a frame of eternity. so what does "life" mean anyway. life is just one aspect of existance.

hey, i love those patented states that have finally become discovered in the 21st century

we live in such great times

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=152200&highlight=#152200

thats verry true for most binaural sets, grigori, but i think i is hard or impossible to tell that way in the case of boxed nirvana. (not sure thoug). boxed N. works with several voices without binaural inside of each one - i think. the binaurals are created by the summ of sounds. something like that. maybe if you have a good ear you can tell anyway.

yes, its just music, nothig so verry special. if your cheap headphones can take it, mp3 ogg or wma can take it anyway. binaurals are acutally verry simple.

thnx, cobalt, for this link! here is the HP of virtual hypnotist: http://vhypno.sourceforge.net/

have no experiences yet

i 'd say, dynamic/energetic music is (only?!) appropriate to reach the 'extatic trance' aka the shamanic state of consciousness.

my experience is, that i EXIT not while but after listening to binaurals (heimi-sync,better bwgen).

for extatic trance, it's the opposit: if i don't get out _while_ listening to drums or extatic music, i don't get our at all.

i have never even tried to exit while listening to something extatic, because that seem rediculous and imposible _to me_.

i need to relax completly to EXIT (obe), but not for dynamic trance (dancing, sensing transpersonal energy) and not for extatic trance (shamanic state: seeing the transpersonal world which is verry 'out of body' like, but still verry diffrent from EXIT)

(my guess is, you use the solar plexus chakra to 'EXIT' and travel inside an extendet (etheric?) energy body, but you use the head chakra to achieve extatic trance/shamanic soul journey (which is associated to an outer/higher level of energy/aura body than the solar plexus body) -  that would explain why you don't need to be relaxed to do a soul journey, but to make an 'etheric body journey')

will try that link, thanx!

just being able to see an apple for example and rotate it around. (Guess that would be photo memory tho right?

well i am a good designer, i can perfectly imagine a grid/skeleton of any object and put it in every position, but i can only have a quick impression of it. i can not stare at it for longer nor can i move it slowly around.

no i think photo memory is unrelated to that (playing with forms and dimensions). i dont know how good those people can imagine. but they are good shop detectives cause they discover instantly if a product is missing from a shelf ....

[edit: NO,]

people are different! they are meant to be. it's not about beeing "underdeveloped" as a person, though it is true that this special ability is underdeveloped for lots of people. edit: NO, i dont even think so. just because a sense is hardly accessible, because it is connected differently in cognitive series does not mean that the sense is underdeveloped itself!



i dont know statistics but it is ovious that there is a corelation to MBTI personality types. (google on MBTI). for example ENTJ have extroverted intuition so they thend to get flashbacks and they have photographic memory. or INFP can visualize verry vell. this seems to depend on a fusion of introverterted feeling an sensing. as i said i dont know enough statistics so this is partially speculation. i am an INFJ and i can not visualise in a movie like way, just like you.
i can imagine anything just like you.

i know i have an inner eye that can get actually movielike too, it is perceived in my 'center' (dont ask where the center is! its abstract). its the introvertes intuitions eye (i guess). it gets fluid when i am in dynamic drance only. (verry different from dreaming or meditaion-visualisation). it is 3- dimensional as i do perceive it's 'content' as a whole whithout obvious perspective.
dynamic trance is hard to create.

of course i know the hypnagogic movie before my eyes as well.

teachers tend to say: you dont need to see it, just try to imagine it in your way. i allways wonder if they know what they are talking about as they never percerived MY imagination and dont seem to know that it is rater impossible to do alot of visualisation techniques with it.

howerver some are possible verry well.
for example i can imagine imagine kinesthesia verry well, which is just perfect for OBE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesthetic

i know this verry well. it's a pitty.

in a therapy group we went to trance and all the people told funny stories about what they experienced and my story allways went something like this "uhm, there was a fire, something going on, strangers, cut , amnesia, then i was a kid ... i was trying to do express something desperately, dont know what .... , cut, amnesia, wtf"

i think they called it 'dissociative trance' (the doctors)

also, when i am tired at afternoon after eating and fall into a short slumber i often experience such dissociated dreams while i am acutally awake physically. i know other people have daydreams like that, but they do remember.

'where is my brain?'

unfortunately i really have no clue about how to solve this dissociative habbit.

afterimages or similar physical vision distortions are rather sharp edged and they move when you move your eyes or you head, they also change size when you manipulate the sharpness of your vision.

in case of the etheric aura or similar energy you may also be able to affect it's 'shape' by will. say you create an energy band between thumb and index finger. it behaves like a liquid substance or chewing gum. it get's thinner in the center and splits with a certain distance.
that's what i saw. but maybe my vision distorions are intelligent and can emulate energy

there are so much threads and tutorials so i give you just one tip that i have never read anywhere myself. maybe because it is wrong ^^

here we go

never try to see anything that does exist. rather try not to overlook it anylonger.  

its a state of mind which can be initialized also but not only by playing with you physical vision. you basically have to temporarly forgett the current way your brain recognizes 'shapes' (different colors ....) as something that defines true borders between objects. look at everything as if everything was one. do it in your mind not in your eyes. so your consciousness can recognize (discover) what your senses did allready perceive before: the patterns of the aura. its not so much about altering the sharpnes of you eyes, playing with sharpnes can just be helpfull to alter the way your brain recognizes shapes/patterns.

i rather look at auravison as synesthetic: informations from somewhere else (maybe 3rdeye) get mixed into physical vision as an overlay. so you can't tell the difference. i guess other people have a different opionion.

i am a practicioner myself. seeing the white/blue etheric stuff was allways relativelya easy, but seeing colors requires much more concentration in shuting down the pattern-recognition. it works for seconds only in my case and maybe i am just bullshiting myself

(i am farsighted, dunno wether that makes a difference, don think so but don't know)

releasing sexual enery regualary is important so I don't waste my lucid dreams on ****ing every 2nd dream figure, but rather have the concentration to play mindgames with them like "who are you, wtf are u doing in my dream? know where my soul hides?" also, in sleep paralysis i won't be visited by succubi. not that there would be something bad about beeing layed by them, but it's a waste of time, spiritually.

of course i can remember melodies but _hardly_ compared to a person that has a musically brain

i dont belive spirit, including memory is inside the brain's developed hardware and chemical structure, i see the brain as just a filter, so musically people have better brain meaning better hardware acces to spirit (just that musically aspect at least)

btw my view is not verry far from science, if at all.

also:
perceiving something as perfect does not neccecarily mean it _is_ perfect. if your mind just thinks it is hearing beautifull perfect mixed dolby surround studio music, that would be as "true" as any percerption can ever be ...

spirit is all about 'everything equals nothing'

*singing* aum mane peme hung ~ aum mane peme hung ...

Therefore i dont believe that my mind is accessing the memory of an acoustic song

i agree but it is accessing memory of "snippets" and using simple "math" to mix it to something new. music as a 'composition' is not that complex at all but is based on formulas. the complex thing are the sounds, the waves, but these are so naturally inside spirit that it's not a big deal. think: everything that can be perceiveable to the spirit MUST have a mirroring resonance in spirit . otherwise you could not perceive it (could not decrypt music signals to what your spirit calls 'melody' - your spirit creates a melody whenever you _hear it_ from a tape). so your spirit can easily "create" everything you can perceive. so you don't need to be expert for children rhymes to "create" them. still i think every talent ist just about acces, because there is no big deal in creation. creations grow naturally out of emptiness. its accually hard not to create something. thoug you can easyly dissociate everithing from conscios perception.

have you ever heard music while you where so stressed that you were unable to recognize it as music(melody) ? sounds like repetitive noise from road works


ever read that much typos?

so far i  have heard:

- punk/funk/jazz (like the stooges)
- children choir (that one was incredibly spooky)
- women choir
- techno crap like 'spongle'
- french street music
- modern pop like J. Timberlake/neptunes
- noize .....



btw, i like music, listen a lot to it, but i am not musically at all, really!. can hardly remember any melody.

so it don't believe in your theorie: Maybe it shows the development within the brain that i have worked on

it seems it's all about trouble with _accessing_ memory or so called creativity, not with _having it_

i dont know how to describe. it was nothing serious. i think i became more out of sync than i was before. this will happen occaisionally if you mess with any entrainment. hardly worth to mention.

okay what i said is true only for older versions

All of the Sessions in NP2 have been dramatically improved over the previous version, implementing new techniques and the latest research. Additionally, many dozens of new sessions have been added, for a huge variety of purposes. And the best part is that you no longer have to download each session individually - they are ALL included in the application!

it seems the new version is not availabel as trial version??