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I don't think it was hallcuinations. The thing about hallucinating is that you see or hear what you think so what makes this different from hallucinating is that I was not thinking my mind was clear with no thoughts. So I would conclude this as something external based on the philosophy of this website. I've only seen that movie once and that was in theaters.

Okay, so this happend about a year ago, I wanted to get some opinions on this particular experience. I was lying in my bed attempting to project, I had never done it and this wasn't going to be a projection either but what happend about 30 minutes into the attempt as I was very very relaxed buzzing etc. This harsh voice from my left side about 3 feet up whooshes down and back up on my right side with a whispery rash scary kind of voice saying "The ring, the ring, the ring" 3 times and then went away. Was I reaching clairaudience was I hearing voices from "the other side". I did this another time during one of my attempts but it wasn't nearly as scary of a voice nor startling, I don't even think this entity or voice was necessarily aware of me or was focusing itself on my being, this voice was rather focusing on itself a very hearty deep mumbling kind of voice. Are there any opinions on this? Does anyone else hear the occasional voices when trying to enter the astral?

I have felt this feeling in my forehead before too. It feels kind of cold and hot at the same time very wierd. Anyone know what it is or have any info on this?

My favorite would be, which is probaly my only one, where I was calmly floating or drifting in space taking notice of this star which had a fuzzy gaze to it but it was so quiet and peaceful out there yet there was a slight feeling of loneliness. I also remember being pulled back to my body and noticing that this was another galaxy I was in probaly the next one over in which ever direction it was. It was fun though.

Well I have a question about Focus15 which is a state of no time. I've noticed that some nights I will lay in bed for the whole night while not falling asleep once. I'll look at the clock and it'll say 1:00AM next thing I know I look at it again and it says 2:00AM and it surprises me how I have not fallen asleep at all and what seems like only 10-15 minutes is actually more like an hour or so. Is this a focus15 state according to Monroe.

I got the swaying feeling in my legs just the other night but not the rest of my body

It's all normal

It's not that the body has to be "asleep" your mind just cannot be focused on your physical body it has to forget about it, that's all.

That may be best for beginners, but to say that has to happen, I'm not sure is true. Like the story of Robert Monroe projecting while eating breakfast. If he forgot about his physical body he might end up with cereal in his lap. Or his face in the bowl.

I think that a lot of these rules are good for beginners, but once experiences come about it's good to review them. They can be helpful at times, but not always apply.

Yeah I recall Frank mentioning the possibility to actually be focused in all FOUR focuses of consciousness simultaneously.

It's not that the body has to be "asleep" your mind just cannot be focused on your physical body it has to forget about it, that's all.

The last time I heard 'one of those voices' it swooped from one side of my ear to the other, all it was saying was "the ring, the ring"

This is what I believe to be an F3oC experience which I had a few months ago that I felt like sharing now. It goes like this,

I was like any other random evening attempting to phase. At some point during the early stages of me trying to phase while lying in my bed, I had lost my focus somewhere along the way but eventually I finally regained a very faint lucidness.

I found myself in what appeared to be a parking lot of a highschool. The school day had ended and it seemed to be a sordof 'gloomy yet clear day'. I remember seeing kids walking to their cars from the school and hearing music and stereo systems playing (particularily I remember hearing subwoofers lol)
What I did find peculiar was that I was sitting in an empty parking space on the parking curb. Some kids were sitting there with me. (2 maybe). They were sordof talking to me and each other and pointing at the kids who were walking by in a mindless fashion. I didn't have much lucidness or awareness I was sordof 'just there', not much will power (probaly because of such low awareness) just sitting there, listening, watching although I do not remember what they were talking about.
After recalling the experience I could guess that the kids sitting there with me must have known I was obviously not 'one of them' although they may have been dead like the other highschool kids they 'knew' what was going on which is probaly what drew them to me.
Once I started to gain a higher awareness I could feel myself phasing back to 'our' focus of conscious F1oC. And that was my wonderful experience =P.

"I got the impression she was making sure they where behaving. I said "So whats outside of the doors?""

Just curious, about the young lady standing by the doors, why do you think she would want to make sure 'they' (the ignorant dead) were behaving?

Two nights ago, I awoke to a strange sensation, it was not the usual vibes I am used to but a strange feeling of disconnection. At the same time as this was occuring i was getting the very distinct impression that I was being given the choice to either end my current life experience or to continue; the choice was mine, if I chose to leave it I could transition at once, a decision which would be permanent (ie physical death) or I could continue with this life experience. In that moment, that's all my entire life seemed to equate to: a life experience trip.

Almost right away I thought, 'hey! of course I want to carry on with it, it may be crud sometimes but I want to see it through to the end, and also great things happen in it which make it all worthwhile'.

Right away, I got some kind of feedback that this was acceptable but that some 'upgrade' work would have to be undertaken as there were a few 'errors'  or glitches in my 'makeup' that needed to be dealt with.
I was told that this upgrading process might result in a little disorientation.

After a few moments I did feel a bit unsettled and dizzy for a few minutes then I fell asleep.
I woke the next day and didnt notice any particular change in my 'makeup' or any fixed 'glitches', but maybe they are subtle things I know nothing about.

How's that for weird?
Of course maybe its all just a pure fantasy concocted by my mind as a response to some unusual vibes I haven't come across before. After all, it is common for people who experience vibes for the first time to think they are dying. However I am not a vibe first timer so I dont see how that explanation works. But the sensation I woke up with was different, although I cant really explain  it.

Oh well, I'm still here lol!

Doug

I have experienced this situation of choice myself. I chose to breathe/live. It was my first OBE and it was like I was being kicked back down to my body lol like someone was telling me to get back down there lol but yeah. The wierd part is that I had felt like I had lived this experience before. I started to gain a memory afterwards of me preparing for that moment in some other dimension or world before I was born here. About 15 minutes before this had happend everything was very surreal. Reality didn't seem real I didn't know if what I was seeing was real I began to question literally through an understanding if this was real. That was when I started to realize I could be about to die. My will did not allow me to die though. I did not want to die.

I remember having a very interesting lucid 'dream' about 6 months ago.

  It started with me observing these kids, screaming, as they were being held captive in what I acknowledged being a type of alien space craft like the ones we see on t.v. disc shaped. The screaming was a call for help and I took action... (This is where it gets wierd) Suddenly I began to use the sound waves of their screams as a form of traveling to find where the aliens were.... which echoed to where the 'aliens' were located controlling the ship. Traveling through their sound waves I noticed I was getting closer and closer to an aliens head. Next thing I know I have controll over this alien (posessed?) and what seemed faster than instant I rushed out through some door and next thing I know I'm seeing (no longer as the 'alien') these kids breathlessly scramble out of an elevator at some building with offices and cubicles around. And then I woke up.

  I don't know what to make of this 'dream' exactly. I can only speculate. Wether it was a dream or real in another realm I hope I helped these kids as that was my intention. But the point being of Telos is WE infact are very powerful beings.

It was just last night that I found a really great way to sordof disconnect yourself from the physical. I was actually comparing myself to Neo in the matrix about he realized that his life in the begining of the movie was not the life he thought it was. Trying to put yourself in Neo's place and his likely thought of mind when all of this realization occured and act as if that was YOU it may help.... atleast it did for me.

Got a question about Robert Monroe, would anyone who can project be able to find him?

I would like to add what I've said to invoke some thought possibly, to 'open your mind' just a little bit more than you may think it already is, Jay dawg.  I would highly suggest reading Franks input on the subject as he probaly as had the most experience MUCH MUCH MORE than I have had thus far.

Hi there Jay dawg,

Making a distinction between lucid dreaming & astral projection is not easy, IMO... It is a very interesting subject.

Consider this - how do you decide that physical reality is the "real" world and a lucid dream is a "dream" world ? What are the observations you make ?

Kind regards,
Mark

come on u are talking to an enlightened individual here. give me a challenge!  the difference between real life is you are perceiving everything through signals from your ears eyes nose touch being translated into things in the brain.

dreaming is just the opposite. its ALL in your head, nothing originating from outside realness. just memories of outside realness and even those are not solid in dreams all the time

You're right Jay dawg, "its ALL in your head", all of it, you percieving things by your eyes, ears, nose and touch are translated into your brain/IN YOUR HEAD just as dreams are. The difference is, is that there is more objectivity in this focus of this reality. It is about where (not best descriptive word to use 'where') our main focus of conscious attention is that determines the objectivity and subjectivity of what we percieve.

The problem is, is that we continue to make the mistake that everything that does not exist through direct experience of our primary focus1 reality must be proved based on measures from focus1oC reality which isn't 100% accuratly possible. The bigger picture is there is no this reality and that reality it's ALL ONE REALITY.

What kind of knowledge, Frank, have you gained from reaching PF4. Would you be willing to expand on the PF4 experience like what you actually do there?

AP is not dreaming

I'm guessing if it were possible, Frank, you would have contacted Monroe in focus 3 or is there any possible way to find someone... then again.... who knows where Monroe is at this point lol

I say 14!!!

I know EXACTLY what you are talking about recoverer I get it too but I dont know what it is lol

Okay thanks