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This has to be the funniest thread I've seen in a long while, lol.

Huh

I seem to have missed something here. I thought we were talking about The lizard people,etc

Oh well....Back to the mud

Leyla,

  Hope things pick up for you real soon, I'm sure they will

ATB

S

TalaNay,

A good post that one, despite the..err delay Ooh me poor Karma!

Leyla,

My complaint is a valid one. I can not give people good news all the time. I do not need people blowing up at me for reporting the news, or discounting it just because it's not what THEY want to hear.

Tell me something. The people you give this news to; Have they asked for a reading? Or do you just tell them what you've seen? If the latter is indeed the case, I'm not surprised you gotten a hostile response, given what you've posted about phoning your friend. You've broken one of the golden rules of being psychic, that is; Never 'ever' look into the subjective areas of anothers life without their specific permission. It's none of your business, despite your best intentions.

Steve 2B -  Yes, I believe in the laws of attraction. But that doesn't mean no bad things are ever going to happen. It's not 100%, we live in a world with human beings who are deeply flawed.

Believing is not the same as directly gaining knowledge through experience. Are people really flawed? Or are they reaping the benefits of directing their energy through faulty/sloppy thinking, based on flawed beliefs? That or subjectively choosing actions that with give them invaluable experiences...

From what I observe, these things seem to run in a cycle. There is a period of peace where everything is normal, then out of nowhere some kind of chaos will hit in everybodies life at the same time. Eventually, the problems are resolved and everything goes peaceful again.

Yes they can appear to run in cycles, but only superficially. The next time you enter one of these cycles have a good hard look at your pervading moods/thoughts/circumstances in an objective way, rather than being subject to them. You'll find there's a corresponding link between events are unfolding around you and what you've been doing/building in your thoughts/emotions previously. Group events are something different again...

I don't know if this is to do with the cycle of planets or energies, but when unexpected problems arrive, they usually arrive in clusters. "To everything there is a season."

I can't say anything about the celestial bodies other than I don't trouble them, and they don't trouble me j/k

I heard we have a Neptune/Uranus opposition going on as of late, which which explains a lot. It translates roughly to "Unexpected bad crap coming at you from out of the blue." I haven't even wanted to turn on the news for all the sudden, unexpected deaths.

Hmmm....All I see is the comings and goings of peoples arriving and leaving for/from their adventures. But seriously, I can't blame you for not wanting to watch the tv. All it seems to contain these days is clever marketeering to get you to buy stuff you don't need and the fact we're all aparently in imminent danger... from everything.LoL.

The solution is simple, just lay low and don't do anything too risky. This too shall pass.

Unfortunately that sounds a bit like an ostrich sticking it's head in the stand; hoping the 'bad' things can't see you and not a creative energy/thought solution in sight from here to the near future

It's just some thoughts that might help with perspective, that's all. Like everyone else you're quite free to reject everything I've said

ATB

Steve

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TalaNay,

LoL, I'm quite happy being karma-less 

Leyla,

So you're sure this person is another focus, and not some aspect you've conjured up for your own entertainment?

No sarcasm intended. It was a genuine question ,so no need to get your feathers in a muddle    

why haven't turned the tables and tracked this person down to find where he's from?

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What makes you think I haven't?

Well have you?(No sarcasm) If so why not say so?

As for the "attention getting" comment. This is my community, I've been here a long time, and it's my obligation to warn other members if I think something shady is going on.

Well I can't knock you there(not that I've had any intention of), I can see you're a well respected member of 'your' community.

And from you, someone I've never even heard of before. I happen to have a long standing reputation here, and it's a good one.

Go girl! LoL. That's right, I must say you're quite right to tell the little upstart-nobody who dares to ask questions/talk about perseption, to get his head back down in the mud....
Damnned Audacity of the fellow!!

Leyla...m'dear, this world is full of nutters, in one form or another. Peronally I'm alot more worried about the mis-use of power, within corporate elites and governments than a bunch of...err, what was it? Lizard hunters? 

And just for your own gratification: Yes I take he expansion/ understanding of consciouness very seriously, yes I am also a psychic. whether I should come or go is entirely 'my' choice

And finally...

You didn't awnser my question;

So I take then you've not had a go at attracting happy/bad events into your life, just to see if the immutable laws of attraction work? I assure you they do. Since when does an irrational fear have something have to do with the notions of re-incarnation?

Your humble servant (bows deeply)

S

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Leyla,

Also, what makes you think I'm afraid of him?

Your use of semantics. Take your opening title to this thread, it reads like some red-top tabloid, designed to attract attention. Also there's pretty much the entire contents of your opening post, this particular quote leads me to conclude you're more than a little anxious about the situation;

Tracks me down to confront me. I just hope he doesn't have a gun.

Then there's the acceptance that this event is going to happen in the following;

But these conspiracy theory types are so twitchy and on edge, you never know what they might be capable of.

It's okay, I think I'm prepaired handle him. I know what he plans on trying, and how he's going to try it, because he pretty much told me everything.

This was bound to happen one of these days.  If anything, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

The above smacks of victim mentality...

You say you 'think' you're prepared to handle him. Well are you? Or aren't you? 'Think' you are leaves room for doubt.

So you're sure this person is another focus, and not some aspect you've conjured up for your own entertainment? If it is indeed another focus, (Since you're a working psychic), why haven't turned the tables and tracked this person down to find where he's from? (Assuming he is incarnate?)

I'm not sure I buy into the the belief that if you're afraid of something it is necessarily going to happen. More likely, a (seemingly) irrational fear is based on something that has already happened to you in a past life.

So I take then you've not had a go at attracting happy/bad events into your life, just to see if the immutable laws of attraction work? I assure you they do. Since when does an irrational fear have something have to do with the notions of re-incarnation?


ATB

S

Leyla,

Just something for you to perhaps ponder. Remember; prophetic visions are not absolutes. You have a choice.

If I may pass along that little idiom we all know and love; " And what I feared came upon me"




Steve

Hi Guys,

Apologies for the delay in replying.


Stookie,

Yeah I know what you mean, I quite often get the sense of expansion associated with Focus 12, in Focus 10. Won't have any other effects at all, other than the knowledge of being in the MABA state.

ketchup,

    Well for me the snippets', like you, are just that. I know they aren't external sounds since I wear ear plugs during my sessions, shut out 99.9% of sounds 'till I've managed to managed to get into (M)F10. At the w/e I was just laying there in somewhere around F10-F12 and I distinctly heard two guys say "Duuuh, Ohhhh No" in a mildly sarcastic fashion, at the same time. I remember thinking what the hell was that about? But I guess I'll never find out, suppose it's pretty much irrelevant, just a part of the process of shifting focus. I can only wonder if they are a similar thing to the stray energy/abstract shapes we see, but in the auditory sense?

Heyya Jub Jub

Yeah that's me! A fellow EIC

One of the things I find so frustrating is it's all so woolly in this state, nothing concrete, so to speak. I mean if there were a point of light, or something you could focus on, to initiate the transition it'd at least give you some idea of a direction of sorts...If that makes any sense? I've read so many time that in the F12 state everything pretty much becomes automatic, whooshes you off somewhere...Well It just doesn't seem to work that way for me at the moment. I guess I'll have to continue and figure it out what's causing the..errr hold-up Tell me something..Is your PB like an energy blob? or does it have more of an independent form as such?

Hans,

Haven't seen you around for a while, how's things?

I can identify with a lot you've written there, on the odd occasion I've caught glimpses of the 3d blackness, for some reason not able to find whatever method necessary to give me that final push. It's one thing I'm just so looking forward to experiencing, or being 'in' that state.

Cheers,

Steve

Hi All,

In the last couple of months I've been getting to grips with the joys and pitfalls of what the Monroe institute would call focus 12. It's taken me a long time; well just over a year to be able to achieve a reliable method to get a stable focus 10, or MABA state. Quite often I've just not tried going any further, just enjoyed some quiet time, shutting the physical world out and doing a bit of peacefull contemplation.
But in recent months tho, the lure to new adventures has introduced me to the somewhat surreal perceptions of focus 12, never ceases to amaze me what will appear out of the blackness. Typically I get swirling colours to start with, mixed with a few hypnogogic snapshots of people I've known, or complete strangers, or place I've never been to in the physical. One thing I found is at this point if I try to remember dreams the recall is absolute, it makes no difference to how long ago the dream was, quite often I'll get something appear that's happened several years ago. I find this rather rewarding, it's like finding something you'd gotten irked at being misplaced.

While all this is going on in the visual dept the internal hearing seems to switch on and I get all kinds of stuff. Bits of music, snippets of conversations, computer like beeps and all at varying volumes. It's proving quite tricky not to jump (As it were), at some of the really loud sounds,lol. I can't wait to try out the 'Listening-to-music' in focus 21! I suppose I can hold varying degrees of focus 12 for about 10 Minutes or so, at which point I'll get dumped out for one reason or another, have to try again.
Finally I'm starting to get to grips with what the transition sensation feels like. As a visual metaphor I'm somewhat reminded of a cinematic technique called forshortening, it really does feel like that, but in mental terms. There's a shot in the the film Jaws, where the character Brody is sitting on the beach and he witnesses with horror the kid on the lilo getting killed. At the point where he realises what's going on the scene foreshortens. It's a dramatic effect Or to put it simply, as I said to Selski once it feels like... zzzzzzzzzpt!

I'd be interested to hear your experiences of this state, or any tips to push me onto focus 21.

Cheers,

Steve

Darren,

I've had something a bit similar happen. I'll be going off to sleep, trying to maintain awareness for as long as possible and suddenly I'll have a loud high pitched screech in my ears. It sounds very much like feed-back, as when you put a microphone too close to a set of speakers. After about 5 seconds it stops abruptly, the barrier gives way and I'm rewarded with full on visuals...Very spectacular

Cheers,

Steve

Hi,

Saw this at the w/e, thought of something that Frank talked about some time ago. I wonder if this along the lines of the "Machine" that'll induce a transition to F2?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badscience/story/0,,1799774,00.html

Have a read

Cheers,

Steve

Hi MisterJingo,

I think it'll be towards the end of this year. I'm going to try for somewhere around Sept-Nov. I've also looked at places here in the Uk that might offer something, but they all seem to be waay too mystical for my liking, or full of the happy-clappy brigade. It's a shame really.
 Like you, I'd be going for the Gateway program.

One of the main reasons for my interest is to get some help with achieving the higher focus states in a relaible fashion. Anything beyond focus 12 is decidedly wooly and haphazard to say the least.

Cheers,

Steve

Hi,

I've been thinking of doing a retreat, or maybe going to the Monroe institute, noticed there seems to be a new focus level to play with. Focus 49.Interesting stuff, begin to wonder if this is along the lines of Franks focus 4?

Here's the link;

http://www.monroeinstitute.com/program.php?program_id=15

Thoughts?

Steve

Hi Sarah,

Are you sure it was RTZ and not an F2 copy? I only ask as I had something a bit similar last week, found myself at the end of the bed, looking at where I should have been, only to find my body wasn't there. Also my bedside light was on, but I know it was pitch black in waking life.



Steve

quietone,

The best advice I can give is to simply start practicing the noticing exercise. Do a search on the forum here, you'll find lot's of info. From your use of language here you seem to be shouting in fustration, trying to beat the figurative door down, rather than stopping, stepping back and just quietly observing events that are happening within you.
Without trying to sound all mystical like, cultivate your senses of curiosity and playfullness, these will help you more than you might realise. Also have a look at the posts about reaching the focus 10 state and facial relaxation.

ATB

Steve

There was I, minding my own business and enjoying having a bit of a lay-in this morning, pondering the universe(As you do), and all of a sudden I found myself having a full on overlay experience....In the fish tank!

 I could see all the stones at the bottom, the reflection/ refractions and the surrounding water, guess it lasted a couple of minutes. Very weird, but also rather funny!

Cheers,

Steve

[Folks, do not click on the above link, that Newsin posted!]

Newsin,

The next time I'm out and about I'll remind myself to come over and slap you silly. There's a nasty little browser hijacker/virus lurking there. But I suspect you already knew that.

Folks, do not click on the above link, that Newsin posted!

ATB

Steve

Stookie,

I get exactly the same thing when I riding my motorbike. The mind empties of thoughts and worries, everything becomes simple and uncomplicated. It's a very liberating thing to do, especially after a stressfull day at work

Cheers,

Steve

WTG Heather!!! :notworthy:

What a fab experience! Makes me want to zoom off home and see if I can do it also

:hug:

Steve

Hi Heather,

           No Probs I find that the sudden lurch into transitioning is still my major hurdle, seconded to the emotions kicking in and spoiling everything.<sigh> Still Practice can only really conquer that, eh?
Though...

 The other thing I've been pondering over the last few days is my frame of mind, whilst in the waking world and how a practice session is directly effected by it as a result. Some days I can figuratively throw myself into bed and get right to it. But on others even the thought of having a go just turns me cold and it's a real struggle, will almost find any excuse not to it. It's not a case of being lazy, since I just love learning to do this, so why does this happen I wonder?. The immediate thing that springs to mind is what my current emotional state is, or maybe it's some underlying subjective energy thingy..Dunno. What I do know is that it needs tracking down and sorting Since our resident expert is no longer available to ask such things I guess I'll just have to figure it out, or perhaps we could collectively come up with some possible answers? Might be interesting to speculate, eh?

LoL I'll have to get my virtual pens out and have a crack at making a T-shirt design or two, see what I can come up with...Hmmm It would make a fun competition, don't you think?




SJ,

That golden arrow is interesting. The first time I met one of my guides, he was searching for a golden arrow...

That sounds very interesting indeed! Did he say anything other than he was looking for one?

I was slowly drifting and I started to get impressions of things. Not images, not enough to startle me, but gentle impressions. I remember one very distinctly - a farmer with his back to me against a barn digging. Now
this wasn't something I was looking at as such, but I *knew* it was there, if that makes any sense?

Yes, I got something very similar, when it happened with me. It started off quite hazy/dreamy scenes coming and going, but then the street scene appeared and it was alot more solid and life like.

Then as is usual, my body demanded sleep, so I turned onto my side and fell asleep.

Here lies the center of my problem, I think. My association with my body and sleep. Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't the whole point to put the body to sleep and the mind can roam free?

Thanks Sarah You've given me a lead to follow Hmmm....

S

[Sustain the phase!]

Hi Heather!

Glad to see you're on the up and up now I really like that photo of you, on the other thread. What a lovely face you have! Hubba hubba!

Ahem... Now that I've embarrassed myself I'll get back on topic

Ahh, yes the rundown. I've tried sooo many different rundowns over the last 10 months, most of them were just too complicated to get anything moving, so to speak. But this one seems to have something to it. It's really simple and just seems to promote the highlighting of stuff I don't inject into the scenario. Another reason why I've been trying this way is from something Frank (Kepple) said about the way you control your imagination in the same way you use the gas pedal on a car. If I remember rightly it was using it to just get the ball rolling. Use it too little nothing happens, too much and you wallow in your own creativeness.
Something else that seems to really help me is to cultivate my sense of play and having fun with it all (I was being just far too serious before, lol).

The perception thing. (Sorry this'll take a bit of explaining)

 One of my difficulties is that whilst I'm doing all of this imagining is I get quite a lot of hypnogogic snapshots, which is fine by me, since they're like signposts, show me that I'm on the right track. Now one of these snapshot (And I'm never sure which one),will stick in my minds eye and will try to pull me into the scene, which would be fine except it happens really quickly. It really is a case of BANG!(snapshot), WHOOOSHHHH (Shift of consciousness), catches me off guard, since I'm just not expecting it.
But here lies the crux of the matter because when I get a little alarmed by the intensity of the sensation (since I'm not expecting it), the alarm manifests as a fear and that fear emotion throws a spanner in the works of the thing.

 Anyway I was sitting there in the lower level of my little tower, was thinking about something Bruce Moen was saying about talking to the aspects that hold/control your beliefs. So basically you imagine some characters and just start talking to them as if they were really there, saying to them what it is that you want to change. I said that the phasing practice was getting me down a bit, since everything was happening too fast(The transition whoosh), wanted to slow everything down so I could get used to seeing the new imagery, could just observe it for a while, get used to it being there and then increase the clarity slowly. So the other night this is what started to happen. I still need to build on this, continue these affirmations, but at least somethings happening there.

I love the phrase you termed there, would make a great T-shirt slogan!

Sustain the phase!

ATB

Steve

The other night I was doing my usual practice, just getting into bed and donning the ear-plugs and looking inward. I've been thinking a lot about the problems I've been having, in getting any hypnogogic images to pop up and have been making/modifying my mini run-down to see what happens as a result. What has spurred this stems from a conversation I had about going through a rundown, paying particular attention to noticing if anything happens out of  the ordinary, i.e. something that I hadn't projected/ generated in the scenario.
So in my little run-down all I've set up is a small, circular two level tower, a bit like a converted windmill. I  walk in through a door at its base, which I take as being(In subjective terms), moving from the waking world into the subjective. The ground level is treated as an area containing the sum total of my life knowledge, is represented as a library. So the walls are lined with books of all sizes and colours, there are tables and chairs for me to sit at, mull things over. If nothing else it's just a fun place to visit, even in 3rd person while I essentially wait for the physical inputs to dull off. The floor is covered with these black and white tiles, each being about 8 inches in diameter. In the center of the room is what looks like one of those poles you'd find in a fire station, surrounding it is a flat circular disk ,which acts as a lift, will take me to the upper level of the tower.

I stand on the circular disk and do a count to ten, generate the sensation of the disk rising with me on it, so when I get to the count of ten I'll have shifted my focal point from behind my eyes to that place roughly where the 'third eye' is. So the lift goes up and I get to the upper level and look round the empty room to see what happens. I've deliberately left the upper room empty of generated imagery, other than this copper coloured carpet(Don't ask me why it's that colour, as I've still got to figure that out), to promote the possibility of me seeing anything that I'd not deliberately put there.

 Now...A new and interesting thought occurred to me, it's an extension of a sub-conscious guiding technique I'd learned a while ago. So in my right hand I imagined a glass ball about the size of a grapefruit, inside which contains a little golden arrow, and points/pulls essentially in the direction I need to travel...It's a bit like a three dimensional compass. The compass I say has the ability to take me to where I want to go. In this case I asked it to take me to the place that was holding the belief that's blocking me from perceiving the non-physical. The room disappears, there's a bit of movements(I'm still aware of the physical in the background btw) and for a moment I'm standing in some city, which I mentally say "OH WOW!", as I'm starting to fully materialize there in first person. Of course the effect of 'wowing' knocks it right off..LoL. But I carry on with my compass anyway and am thinking about a session I had a few weeks ago, which I'd been imagining talking to the aspects that hold the fear/perception beliefs. I'd said to them that clearly I wasn't going to be able just switch the whole thing on straight away,since I just balk as soon as the shift starts to occur, so have been focusing on allowing a 25% perception, whilst still in the physical until I get fully used to seeing these things.  

So I'm holding this thought in my head and it starts to work. I'm getting various scenescapes appear and I find myself walking down this gently sloping street, again in an old city. It just has this lovely ambiance, feels like late afternoon at the end of the summer. To my left there are these small stone pillars which line the path I'm walking along(About 5ft tall), I can't say i pay much attention to them until I've stopped and happen to turn and glance to my left.  Just  for a moment I can see this woman half hidden behind one of them and she was spying on me!
She ducked behind the pillar and disappeared as soon as she realized she'd been seen. LoL, I wouldn't have been able to ask her anything anyway as I was just so surprised to see her there!
I've been thinking this morning whether I'd just managed to dip into somewhere in the F3 region, since she wasn't behaving like an F2 aspect usually behaves...Or are aspects in the habit of legging it, when they've been spotted?

Thoughts?

ATB

S

LoL mactombs

Yeah I'm not a great one for listening to all the mystical stuff. It all ends up sounding like you're doing the hokey-kokey, or something. You put your left-leg-in, left-leg-out, in-out, in-out, shake it all about. LoL.
Trouble is I've spent sooo many years reading the mystical texts, trying to get to grip with what really happening...I just end up laughing at it all. If you fancy having a head bender...Have a look at the works of St Teresa of Avila, for example. It's quite interesting stuff once you get beyond the rhetorical masturbation...But anyway I digress

How ya been anyway?

Take care,

Steve

greatoutdoors, guys,

 Thanks for the replies. No these aren't 'optical-floaters', I know the difference These are full on 3d. What I mean by 3d is they'll move around in the 'waking-life' 3d environment. I had one pop through my chest the other night, whilst I was laying there, reading a book. LoL Like all these things I need to be in the right frame of mind to see them with any reliability. Just so y'all know, I'm not taking any drugs of any kind to get this effect. It all happens 'Au-natural'

Cheers,

Steve

Hmm...

Eighty-eight views and not a single reply?

 Thanks guys...




S

Greetings!

Been doing a lot of trawling through many of the older posts here, searching for various bits and pieces to broaden my over all perspective of the subject. In one of Franks post I see mentioned something called 'the nine inner senses'. Now for some reason this seems to have peaked my interest. I suppose five of these could be replications of our five physical senses, which would seem logical. I wonder about the other four, though. Curiosity might be one of them, though I suppose it depends on what you define as a 'sense'. Anyway I'd be interested to know if any of you have found out what they are.

Cheers, thanks in advance

Steve