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You have very eloquently stated exactly what the problem is right there.

To change your reality you need to change your mindset first.

To change your mindset you need to prove what's real and what isn't to yourself. No matter what anyone says, you can argue they are wrong, because of the simple fact that none of this has been proven as 100% true. But if you BELIEVE it to be true, than it is to you and that's all that's important.

We are not here to change other people's viewpoint of what is or what isn't. We are only here to help others to experience the NPR for themselves. Then they can answer their own questions from their own experiences of what it is or isn't.

Did you get a chance to watch that video by Tom Campbell?  He goes into the Physics viewpoint of all of this because he is an acclaimed Professor of Physics. He was also hired by NASA and a other organizations as a "threat assessor", so  he must know something. He uses science to explain what is and what isn't.

He also makes it well known that this is HIS own theory and that he just wants people to listen or read it with an open mind. But to experience it for themselves before coming to their own conclusion.

I did. The section that you mentioned sounded very similar to my experience. I do actually have an open mind but I need to approach it logically. I actually have no problem with the possibility of all of this. It can be made logical. I just didn't appreciate being referred to as "newbie" in the manner that was stated. It came off to me as accusing me of narrow-mindedness when accusing someone of that because of skepticism is narrow-minded. I'm sure he didn't mean it that way. It was just worded in that way to me. So I responded to that.

Just because your physical body doesn't really exist doesn't mean you don't have to deal with it. Everything may be consciousness, but you still exist in a manner where you have to navigate through it. Time and space are illusory, but I still experience it. That's why I hesitate explaining things to newbies that seem contrary to what naturally seems obvious. Just knowing it in your head doesn't help anything when you're in the astral and looking at a body you're in. Until you fully realize it yourself, it can make things confusing.

Relative physics are counter intuitive. The difference between explaining something like that and explaining something like this to a "newbie" is that in order to explain this, both parties would have to take it on faith that it's real with no skepticism. However, taking this in that manner would be no different than having faith in a religion. I won't take anything on faith like that, therefore I'm a "newbie". If you can't explain it in a manner that someone that doesn't take your word at face value will be able to grasp and comprehend it, then it's an unsound argument and should be disregarded anyway. Try me.

Fair enough I appreciate the input, of course. Could you explain why you have your personal view? any particular reasoning? Or more experience based?

Maybe purpose is an improper word, but you know what I meant. That leaves the question of defining it as an "out of body experience" if you're not ACTUALLY out of your body. but that's the worry right there. It would come down to what you believe astral projection is: if it's just an extension, as you say, then it's pretty much completely harmless but it also makes me less likely to believe that that astral projection would be anything more than just using your imagination, or if you're actually leaving your body behind. The second case has some possible dangers. I think that the second is more likely the case personally because I know what imagination feels like and I know what lucid dreaming feels like and this was neither of those.

I was under the impression that the entire purpose of astral projection was to have the soul leave the body.

It could be anything that relates to dreaming. The mind is strong. It's more logical to believe that an OoBE relates to dreaming in ANY way than to believe that it is possible to leave your body by willing it. But I'm not here to debate whether or not astral projection is real or not. I'm here, therefore I'm giving the benefit of the doubt in discussion and will operate under the assumption that it is.

Could you elaborate on what you mean? the belief that something of substance leaves?

I'm not afraid. Like I said in my first post, I can't even say that I believe in this. I can explain this with a pre-dream lucid DMT trip.   I'm just seeing how the rabbit hole looks. I was just explaining her fears.

http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/12/the-dangers-of-astral-projection/

That's similar to the way she describes it. The manner that you would have to be separate from your body when you project would make it more vulnerable.

Dangerous in the sense of a little spec diving into murky water. Without knowing fully what's in the Aether that might see the splash

Success would be tied to intent in my opinion. I wasn't doing anything to try to make it happen and as I said, I'm an extreme skeptic. I don't actively believe in this but I'd like to explore the possibility. My fiancee also believes that it can be dangerous to do things like that accidentally, sort of like diving into unknown, cloudy water. Aside from that, I wanted to see if anyone had any more information on how and why that may have happened without me trying to make it happen.

Congratulations! It sounds like you were successful.

You have been a member here since April 29th 2005. What do you think happened?

It wouldn't have been a success unless it was my intent to cause something. So, I'm wondering what might have yanked me out of my body, assuming that's what happened.

I was a member here for a little while when I was much younger. I haven't been on here really since then. I wouldn't put much stock in how long I've been a member. I just remembered the site and decided to see what this place thought

First, let me begin by saying that I am an extreme skeptic. There was a time in my life years ago where I put more stock in all of this but now, although I will not discount it, I won't actively believe in it. My fiance believes in it fully and got a bit concerned for me. She is a very intelligent woman and I have no doubts on that whatsoever. I also believe that I have several other possible explanations that I personally believe more valid but I won't discuss them. They don't explain the feeling the experience gave me and I would like to investigate that some.

I just wanted anyone responding to know where I'm coming from when I tell you the experience.

It's not all that complicated really. I was lying in my bed, just thinking like most people do. Just in general about philosophy and whatever. I started thinking about the world, I don't recall what exactly but I suddenly felt whole. I can't describe it any other way. And then I started zooming out from Earth quickly. I felt full of the universe. The solar system, the galaxy, the local clusters. Then further and further. I saw every galaxy, the universe, spread out like a galaxy of galaxies. A multiverse of universes in clusters all obeying the same laws that everything else does. Onward and upward. I snapped my eyes open in a blind panic with my heart beating. I still felt full and whole remnants. The whole time I was zooming out it was like I was sucked onward. I had no control or volition in it, it was more like I was ripped outward, kind of like how you'd be sucked out of a door if it suddenly opened to a vacuum.

Any thoughts?

Everything I have done, mainly for online esp things like card guessing and such, says I have a fairly high ESP sensitivity rating. High end mid range ESP. but I've been working with another test that's based off of the design of a coin flip. The random number generator generates the numbers 0 and 1 randomly in rapid succession for 102 seconds. The idea is to push the amount of one number over the other, and to have a fairly large difference between the two numbers. I have done this test and gotten basically nothing but normal as far as it goes. The big thing about it is that when I truly focus and believe that the difference will be large it rises fairly quickly. The problem is my own self doubt. I doubt myself at every turn and the moment I become consciously aware of my doubt and stop to believe it the difference almost instantaneously drops to around 0, give or take a few.

Just curious on others' input. Please tell me what you think.

Sorry. I left that undone quite some time ago. I haven't actually done the four fold breath in along time. I 'll fix it as soon as possible.

Depends on what you're most comfortable in.

I would assume that he just drew energy from them. That's how I would do it. I've never actually tried it before but that seems most logical.

N.E.W is really good to start with but if your on the level where you can't feel much just do the exercises to keep you energy body in shape or look for a new form of energy development that can be stronger.

I have heard this mentioned before. With more practice my energy development will go to higher level. Is there a progression that is happening? What kinds of changes might I expect?

Easier control does lead to more power but no, all energy is more or less the same amount within it. It just comes from different sources. I draw from the Earth which I feel has the most to give and also many times the wind. But it doesn't really matter what you draw from.

fixed it.

Ahh. Visit my site at www.freewebs.com/cloudfinal33

That will give you some information. It's not finished yet so check it out often and I'll let you know when it is. It does have some of the most basic manuevers that you will need to get any better.

Here it is. It's not finished yet but it does have some of the basics that I will be teaching on it. There is much more left that I have to finish yet so I'll give you what I have now, you can check in every now and then, and I'll PM you when it's entirely finished.

www.freewebs.com/cloudfinal33

Yeah. none of that is rad ki. That's realistic ki usage. And seeing as you are new I'll see if I can get my site up with some of the information that i know if you want a more reliable source for ki, energy and quantum metaphysics.

It's not really an effect but you feel slightly more energized, depending on how much you bring in and it should be easier to move energy through your chakras once this is done. I usually draw in through my feet, myself.

Time travel's already been reached. Or time dialation anyway. only once as far as I know. It was a very short time. Only 1/50 of a second into the future. It was measured. It's in the Guiness book of world records 2005. I just saw it today.

Yeah. Prob'ly time for a break. Or maybe you weren't concentrating enough. I can't tell you how many times it's happened to me. You are abe to do something for the first time and the second time you try you can't do it because you are expecting something to happen. In order to do it again you'll need to concentrate with the same ferocity that you did the first time. But it is also very possible that you do just need a break.

Energy as in Ki is really a spiritual energy eminating from everything. Consider it your spirit and if you are trained then it may be bended to your will.

Though one thing he does say correct on his site is the basic principles for Limit Break.
Except for being able to do it outside the emotional stress.