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How come you don't want to share the experience with us about being pulled down into hell or your affiliation with the Army of The Light? I do find that very interesting and like to know a little more. Maybe, this group can help you or vice versa.

Btw: how did you manage to get away from the witch and from hell?

How long have you been projecting?

Tvos

I don't like to share personal obes or even regular obes for that matter at other forums. Many obes are recorded at my forum... I do not like to share obes for people like mactombs will ruin the seriousness of it. While at my forum I could control the trolls

I have been projecting consciously on a daily basis for 6yrs now. So you can only imagine how many obes I have stored up.

Well.. about the witch. She put me under some hypnosis that only witches can do and I was literally her slave. Whatever she told me to do I would have to do it. So she told me to follow her and I did all the way down to hell..





-The Projector-

Sounds that way doesn't it? It is happening because I am in the Army of The Light in the spiritual dimensions (not the astral) and since I hold rank I am often visited by ''evil'' beings, I have been told by satans generals that I am being watched in the dimensions and they keep sending their minions to scare me away from God. I will not go any further in this matter just PM me if you have any questions.

But not all is bad in my projections I just met up with a member in my forum (in the astral) and he wants to be trained by me. So, I'm doin fine. I have also seen what looks to be atlantis I have visited this place 3times since me and a few others went out to search for it 2 weeks ago. Those atlantians are so cool.







-The Projector-

Meh, maybe later Voice of Silence. Its on my forum if ya wanna check it out. I also just had an obe that I was dragged down to "Hell" by a modern day witch projector.

Besides I don't want that that little kid mactombs to ruin this thread with narrow thinking.



-The Projector-

Of course religon will end its already been fortold in the bible already. Durr!

Projector: I do care.

There is a tremendous amount of wisdom to be found in the Bible. The ethics, morals, parables and other kernals of knowledge should always be viewed as being a lending hand to those who strive for a higher path in life. Accepting that Adam, Eve, Abraham, Moses, Daniel, Jesus, Peter, Paul. etc., were all fictional characters used through the medium of "story" should not deprive the writings from their higher purpose.

"Jesus" does not have to be "God" for the Bible to maintain its worth. Jesus only has to be God for dogma's sake. In fact, the character Jesus taught against such dogma (and many other things that dogma has ignored.)

The need for Jesus to have been a man, or a God, is milk. Milk is for children. To be able to look deeper into the 'meanings' of the texts is the meat of the matter; and this is only for those mature enough to handle it.

Hebrews 5:11-14:
We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

There is so much more to the Bible than a surface reading of the texts allow. To stop there is to miss the most important parts of the messages. The writers of the bible were not historians. They were seekers just like us.

And as this forum represents on a daily basis, there is so much more to our reality than what appears upon the collective surface. We few do not stop there...we cannot...everything that we are becoming is begging for more. The writers of the bible were no different.

Peace,
Beth

Yes, I agree to some extent. The bible as unbelieveable teachings and should be considered a teaching impliment.

"The need for Jesus to have been a man, or a God, is milk. Milk is for children. To be able to look deeper into the 'meanings' of the texts is the meat of the matter; and this is only for those mature enough to handle it."

No, you see those are not able to grasp the full contex of the bible is clearly unable to comprehend the main teaching which is:

If you are not able to allow the LORD into your life and understand that God once walked this earth proves that his children are ignorant. And no matter how often you read the bible or enjoy the teachings then it will not matter in the end.

Look, you might understand the true meaning behind all the parables and decifer every word but if you can not see the truth behind the teachings then why bother?







-The Projector-

[Jesus IS God..]

Jesus IS God..

I do not doubt that this is a reality in your mind. I personally do not believe that JC physically existed as there is absolutely no evidence for his physical existence except for that of heresay.

Using logical deduction, I am unable to come to any other conclusion, other than that the New Testament was built upon pure myth, bearing all the hallmarks of the earlier pagan beliefs.

I'll include an essay, which IMO presents a fairly well grounded, logical and concise argument representative of my view.

http://www.cosmoetica.com/B125-DES76.htm

This is what bugs me, kids nowadays are starting to use 'logic' to disprove God which is a total waste of time and effort for the fact that proving something unworldly and as spiritual as God is a waste of time.








-The Projector-

But anyways why do you people care so much about it? EVEN if it was all made up as some of you would say who cares? Jesus in the bible taught many life lessons that should be incorperated into our every day lives.

Whats so wrong with just being good and following something thats pratically a handbook of being a good citizen?








-The Projector-

[Jesus IS God..]

Jesus IS God..

[-The Projector-]

Sry it took so long to respond

The anti-christ started to show his true face which is: pretty boy face, jet black hair, and dark black eyes. The darkness of his eyes run down his face almost like a woman who's mascera was 'running' but more bold and longer streaks.

I just had an obe where I saw the last supper. It was most awsome





-The Projector-

[-The Projector-]

And now for an opposing viewpoint


As long as you use your metaphysicalities in the way God wanted you to. Psi and metaphysicalities are a gift that should be treated with graditude towards the maker.








-The Projector-

Watch Freddy vs Jason

He gets whopped..  

Sry a little off topic.

I have had that same problem but for me it was that freggin' little doll chuckie. The first time I saw it in theaters I didn't think much of it until he appeared in my dreams/lucids So long story short I learned to kick that little guy like a football in the astral




-The Projector-

I felt many emotions at the time. But since he's such a spiritual being I needed to learn to control my emotions as well because I would keep being pulled back to my body due to overexcitment.

At one point I met the anti-christ on more than one occassion as well. He portrayed himself as Jesus but when I kept getting closer and closer I started to feel evil and I went back to my body.

Wow. Thats a good past projection there.  I really enjoyed reading it.






-The Projector-

[Jesus helped me for my very first obe: I went to sleep and in the middle of the night I got these insanely intense vibes and I opened my eyes because there was this bright white light illuminating my whole room and then a figure started to appear and then I saw it was Jesus standing next to my bed smiling down at me. I wasn't scared or but more like shocked. So while the vibes kept coming and going he slowly faded then reappeared (I kept getting too excited). Then finally I thought "you really are the coolest kat." He seemed to read my thoughts and this brought about a smile apon his face. Then I slowly lifted above my body and finally got out counciously. And from there I forgot the rest.. I hold a strong relationship with Jesus in the Astral, whenever I request to go somewhere I ask him. -The Projector--The Projector-]

Jesus helped me for my very first obe:

I went to sleep and in the middle of the night I got these insanely intense vibes and I opened my eyes because there was this bright white light illuminating my whole room and then a figure started to appear and then I saw it was Jesus standing next to my bed smiling down at me. I wasn't scared or but more like shocked.

So while the vibes kept coming and going he slowly faded then reappeared (I kept getting too excited). Then finally I thought "you really are the coolest kat." He seemed to read my thoughts and this brought about a smile apon his face. Then I slowly lifted above my body and finally got out counciously. And from there I forgot the rest..


I hold a strong relationship with Jesus in the Astral, whenever I request to go somewhere I ask him.






-The Projector-





-The Projector-

haha I made a list of all the things that just ticked me off one day. It helped

haha silly, this is the infamous vibes! in laymens you are in the process of creating a copy of yourself so you can "pop" out of your body into the real time zone.

next time it happens, just go with the flow and you will find yourself floating around your room.

haha I was about to say that.   I was wondering why nobody knew what the vibes were.





-The Projector-

I'm a kewl guy I 'fit in' with the normal crowd, just having fun and doing normal things.

But I ran accross a web site that involved astral projection while randomly searching the web one day, and on began my obes!









-The Projector-

Actually the entities that you can not see with your 'astral eyes' are fallen angels sent to 'weave' you off course of your faith.





-The Projector-

[Did you guys know? Those little plastic tips on the ends of shoelaces are actually transmitters sent by the goverment, used to track our every move?? We gotta warn the people!]

Did you guys know?

Those little plastic tips on the ends of shoelaces are actually transmitters sent by the goverment, used to track our every move??

We gotta warn the people!
   

[Hello,I was having this dream that I and someone eles were fighting these HUGE 4 legged armored tanks. Just imagine a metal turtle with long legs and intead of a head it was a big red circle that fired a laser. I and this other guy tried to blow this this thing up. And we finally managed to blow this robot up, then an army of these robots started coming up from the ground so we were in trouble. We started running around looking for supplies we might need and I realized that all the supplies were on the ground floating in midair with an orange ring around them, kinda like a video game.Suddenly I said I was in a dream and I became lucid. I then thought to myself "I could AP right now..but I think I'll have some fun in this dream" I tried to see with my Super Projector abailities could stop these walking tanks I was so wrong. As soon as I got close enough, these machines started firing off missles and lasers and bullets at me so I jumped in the air started flying and started dodgeing all of them. Then I see these 3 missles shot straight at me so I started to fly at a comfortable speed thinking they won't get me but it turns out that they were guided missles and they followed me everywhere. Until I landed on the ground and I fell on my butt.But it seems as though when I fell I entered an obe state. And I was in my house on top of the stairs still on my butt so I got up walked around and thought "this was fun!" then I phased through my roof and layed down looking at the view. I decided to wake up knowing that I might forget this experiences.-The Projector-]

Hello,
I was having this dream that I and someone eles were fighting these HUGE 4 legged armored tanks. Just imagine a metal turtle with long legs and intead of a head it was a big red circle that fired a laser.

I and this other guy tried to blow this this thing up. And we finally managed to blow this robot up, then an army of these robots started coming up from the ground so we were in trouble. We started running around looking for supplies we might need and I realized that all the supplies were on the ground floating in midair with an orange ring around them, kinda like a video game.

Suddenly I said I was in a dream and I became lucid. I then thought to myself "I could AP right now..but I think I'll have some fun in this dream"  I tried to see with my Super Projector abailities could stop these walking tanks I was so wrong. As soon as I got close enough, these machines started firing off missles and lasers and bullets at me so I jumped in the air started flying and started dodgeing all of them.

Then I see these 3 missles shot straight at me so I started to fly at a comfortable speed thinking they won't get me but it turns out that they were guided missles and they followed me everywhere. Until I landed on the ground and I fell on my butt.

But it seems as though when I fell I entered an obe state. And I was in my house on top of the stairs still on my butt so I got up walked around and thought "this was fun!" then I phased through my roof and layed down looking at the view.

I decided to wake up knowing that I might forget this experiences.








-The Projector-

[Hello Jim,I am glad to hear of your strong faith in King Jesus. My forum that was created by me deals with how God is the center of all my obes.So I can pretty much understand that these are unwelcomed spirits. And before you feel that you are going to have an ode you should bless your room that you are in by saying "If you are not here in the name the LORD then I order you to leave this place and seek your punishment that the Lord will give you"This will get rid of these unclean spirits in your room. I have done this and now when I project out of my body I will only see the Lord's watchers protecting my room or sometimes a friendly entity that I will be able to have a chat with.-The Projector-]

Hello Jim,
I am glad to hear of your strong faith in King Jesus. My forum that was created by me deals with how God is the center of all my obes.

So I can pretty much understand that these are unwelcomed spirits. And before you feel that you are going to have an ode you should bless your room that you are in by saying

"If you are not here in the name the LORD then I order you to leave this place and seek your punishment that the Lord will give you"

This will get rid of these unclean spirits in your room. I have done this and now when I project out of my body I will only see the Lord's watchers protecting my room or sometimes a friendly entity that I will be able to have a chat with.











-The Projector-

I ask in the name of King Jesus for these things..

Yes, I have talked with many of these 'entites'. But I do not know if they once existed on earth, (well except for Jesus and some other projectors that I've met)













-The Projector-

I encountered this little grimlin type entity a while ago. This little guy was so fast! I nicknamed him 'speedy'.

I think they exist just like any other entity, they're no differnet from anything else we encounter..









-The Projector-

I have seen some 'military type' projectors in the astral.

They dress like those dudes in the matrix without the earpiece. They are not entites cause I know a fellow projector when I see one.

I can safely say the can not use the astral as a weapon but I do believe there are military projectors that could be working for them at area51 maybe? I do not know their purpose for the astral cause they are trained not to talk and are also trained to block their thoughts. So its a mystery to me just like everything else








-The Projector-

I like that avatar Mod Nay it has alot of meaning..