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At times, when projecting the conscious level is pure and is higher then physical.

Yeah. I love it when I get out sometimes and everything is super clear and vivid. I can process and correlate thoughts so much more efficiently than in the physical.

During your trip to the moon where you on the surface and decided to dive right into the ground traveling to the core?

I was hovering above the surface and then made the intention to penetrate the ground directly below me. I blacked out almost immediately.    

I should just mention that getting to the moon and the sun is a piece of cake compared to the other planets. Good luck locating any of the other planets by flying there - like looking for a needle in a wheat field.  Teleporting is tricky, but more likely to succeed.

I consider myself lucky to have reached Mars.

Ya know, what would be kinda of cool is if you were to verify the mars rover that's cruising around the surface. Able to give details about the device and location.

I didn't see any rovers, but obviously Mars is a pretty big place.  
My goal was to go to the famous "mars face", but it didn't work. I actually perceived a black sky on the surface, which I thought was a bit weird as I was sure I approached Mars from the sunny side.... but anyway.  

The sun on the other hand, I wonder if you would just melt. Can you recall any of this happening during the sun flare?

After failed attempts to fly to the sun, I actually teleported close in to it successfully. I couldn't believe it. The whole experience was very overwhelming. I felt no heat, but the presence of the sun was overpowering. The awesome energy of it. The sun is a incredibly powerful thing and I'm sure it extends all the way up into the higher realms.
The sun was still a way off, probably a million miles, I don't know. It filled one half of my view though.
I was just drifting there in awe.... I must have lost lucidity, because the next thing I saw was this massive wave of white power approach me. A flare I figured, but who knows. When it reached me I just lost control and ended up back in my body, still in trance. Wonderful memories. I'm going to try it again soon!

I have been to the Moon, Mars, and the Sun.

On the Moon I intended to penetrate it to see if it might be artificial. As soon as I entered it I blacked out. I find it hard to maintain control so far away from earth - even though I know it shouldnt actually matter.

Mars I've been to twice.
Recently I went there again after playing a certain "Hellish themed" PC game. The experience must have gone semi lucid, cause I ended up seeing demons in the dust.    So, I ended the experience on a bad note.

The sun didnt burn me. It too ended when I experienced a sun flare. I dont think it was an actual flare, it probably was my grip on lucidity that slipped again as I was overwhelmed by what I percieved to be overwhelming energy. A great experience though.

Mac - I saw your sig: People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles - Frank Herbert.

Mind if I ramble a bit?
Does it not depend on the type of suffering the person had/has to endure.
There is a fine line where the suffering can also completely break a person down to a pathetic state of mind.

It is said that the best fighters (boxers/soldiers etc) are the ones who suffered in their childhood/teens. I can understand that in a way, since suffering has the potential to imbue a person  with high willpower.
Hard times harden the resolve. The mere fact that you can no longer depend on  others for your survival can make you very independent and resourceful.
The best word to describe it is, your mind can potentially become like a diamond. Focused and hard.  
(Also brittle like a diamond maybe? As in when it does break then, the mind is REALLY screwed?   )

The same can be said of psychic abilities. It takes a hard "fighter" mentality to develop any dormant psychic abilities to a high level.
(By fighter mind I do not mean a violent mind.)

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I've noticed that many of Hans posts sound like that, so get used to it.

heh


Han, you should be the Sales & Marketing Director for the Phasing Module

 I see. I was not refering to anybody specifically.
I can get used to many things, except people who disregard other's experiences out of hand - especially within this highly subjective realm we are moving in here.

Anyway, this is off topic so Ill just leave it right there and move on.

I am concerned about this "Frank is god" mentality in some of these posts. This "Wait for Franks book and then ye will see the light" thing.

This "the word Astral is too mystical sounding. Get with the program will you. Its now called XXX"

This "take everything anybody here says with a grain of salt". Except for what Frank says you mean?

This is all a bit worrying to me.

What is most disturbing is how people are shooting down other peoples experiences as if it doesn't matter.  

Havent you learned anything? There is no truth, but the the truth you find yourself.
Oh, that is too mystical sounding again isn't it?  

I do not want to make enemies here, but I am just a bit concerned about this.

The real question is, why would any sane mind WANT to project down into this dark hole of selfish desires that hangs like a storm cloud around the earth.

There is simply too much else going on. Its like having a whole ice cream factory in front of you and then wanting to lick some old cream from the bottom of a used carton. It makes no sense.

The notion that something prevents minds from "projecting down" seems a little simplistic to me...

Besides, the earth is a place of learning and once you are done here you move on. It would serve no purpose coming back here, unless of course you have more lessons to learn and need to reincarnate - but thats a different story.

I have never tried it, but if I understand you correctly, a physical mind/focus trying to project back to the physical while in the astral would simply end up back in his original body, not so?

1. Envoked Jesus? No. And I doubt you will find the Biblical entity Jesus on the Astral plane...
(What does it matter what the color of his skin was anyway?)

2. I do not have any evidence of the possibility of travel to the local past in any sense other than the following:  
You would access some sort of record in an altered state of mind (Hall of records or whatever) You would be able to view these events as they happened, but you would not be able to change or interact with anything in it.  (Could luck accessing something so specific. Ive had no luck in that respect. )


3. Some people (I do not know if that includes them all) in comas are indeed found in the astral plane in various states of lucidity.


4. Time generally, for me, moves slower in astral. Meaning many days can pass in the astral while in the physical only a few seconds have passed. Im sure it can be made to move faster as well - it all depends on your state of mind.


5. With sufficient time and power you can create anything in the astral. Even whole fantasy worlds. For a single mind it is maintaining such creations that can be a problem.


6. Masters and gods. Yes, who knows.


8. I have accessed something that one might call a "Hall of Records". It was in the form of a very advanced computer-like console. The form of access is off course not important.
I had a guide of sorts there to help me. I was looking for info on one thing.. but got shown something else entirely. Still interesting though.


9. Ive had experiences where communication was normal (just like in the physical) and experiences where I communicated telepathically.
Ive also had a strange experience on a world where communication had to be made through a odd organic device that looked like a big seashell.  

The ironic thing is, people who are actually capable enough to consistently visit such specific (remote) locations would probably not be interested in visiting "mere" real time zone locations... there are far more interesting places to explore than the earthly RTZ!  

Besides, the real secret places would be... well secret.   (Place tin foil hat on head) And such underground locations would probably be lined with some exotic shielding to keep prying etheric  "tourists" out.  

I believe not. It all depends on your mind and your mind only. At least in theory.

Chakra work is something that you either subscribe to or not.  If you do, then it will work for you. However, there are people who consciously project without doing any actual energy work as such.

So the answer is no, except for being in the right frame of mind (easier said than done), nothing is strictly necessary in order to change your focus of consciousness.
Off course, most people have some sort of believe or a technique or something to help them get there.

The last time I died in a dream was last week. My memory of it is fragmented, but here goes.

I was unaware that I was dreaming at first, but it was quite vivid.

In the dream I was piloting some sort of futuristic military craft. I had a copilot... it was none other than the American actor Al Pacino.    Anyway, so we are on some sort of kamakazi mission or something. We both knew we were probably not going to see the next sunrise.

We actually talked a lot, but I don't remeber much of the conversation.

Then suddenly we had "bogeys" on our tail. Strange living things were chasing us. Supposedly our mission was to lure these flying dragonlike things away from somewhere else  - I cant remember the details.

So, one of the things caught up to us and ripped our little advanced super dooper craft to shreds. I was falling to the ground at a 100miles an hour. I remember thinking a silly thing as I fell, if this craft is so damn advanced why doesnt it have an ejection seat.

I became sort of lucid while I fell. Strangely enough, a sane person would probably panic and for some reason I just calmly watched the ground approach.

I saw the little pebbles and flowers on the ground in detail before I smacked into it. I felt no pain. Only a sadness. It was like, damn, my poor body.

What I saw next was less exciting: I was floating in white light and had no body at all.

Kind of dissapointing ending, but a pretty cool dream overall.

The reality is that there is no pure source of truth, no holy books that are pure, and almost no channeled information that is not flawed in some way.

Amen to that! I keep saying that truth, with a capital T, can't be found here. There's far too much "distortion" and "filtering" going on here. (IF I may use some terms with a mystical taste.)
We only have our personal truths and perceptions.

A healthy dose of skepticism is always good. There is nothing worse than blindly believing in something or other. We see the results of that all around us.

Yet, belief is such a powerful force, but it is still a choice. If one is not a natural at the OBE thing one will need to choose to believe that it can be done before one may be able to do it... somehow.  

Very hard to do for a the purely logical/objective minded among us.

What about dogs who know when their master comes home, even if it's at an irregular time? I'll have none of this baseless feline supremacy.

You K9 lover!  

On a serious note, I did not mean to say that felines are superior. It's just that domestic cats seem to be, generally and down in history, more in tune with the spiritual side of things than most other animals.

Hell, for all I know dolphins consciously project into the astral oceans every bloody night!  

Yeah, Constantine was a very interesting movie.
I suppose it is okay for a sexless angelic half-breed to use the f-word every now and then?  But hey...!  

Yeah, it goes without saying that cats are highly psychic animals. If not THE most psychically active in the animal kingdom.

The water thing worked well in the movie, but in the end one will simply be objectifying things by trying to use it as a gateway of some sort.

Water has some amazing properties, but I have never heard of the research of Dr. Emoto before yesterday... What I find amazing is that it seems to be concrete proof that mind over matter is real!
This does not fit into conventional scientific theory soff course, so I expect it to be ignored by the old school, hard core scientific community.  

I only recently watched the movie Constantine. In the movie they made physical H2O out to be THE conduit to "other planes". I found this interesting and did a quick search on the net.

I came accross the research of a certain Dr. Masaru Emoto.
http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/entop.html

I have not read the book "Hidden Messages in Water" yet.

Has anybody here experienced with water at all during projection attempts? Or healing attempts?

Could it be possible that water is a kind of lubricant for the mind to shift focus more easily?

But then that would just be a belief crutch, like the sound tapes...  

I just find it very beautiful and interesting how water specifically seems to be so sensitive to thought and emotion. Seeing as humans are mostly composed of water...

When does believing something become knowing?

When does perception become Truth?

At focus 4?

We can argue to death the possibility that your physcial brain could be making EVERYTHING up.  Including AP's and OBE's that you would swear were  perfectly lucid and non-physical and true and everything. I simply can't see a way beyond this event horizon while one is still focused in the physical. If there is, I would love to know it.

It is classic brain-in-a-jar. The brain only has its perceptions as its reality.
Either your conciousness is just a physical brain composed of electrical impulses OR it is more than that.

I believe it is more, based on what I have experienced, not because I liked the idea and chose to believe it at that instant. I would like to believe that I know this to be true. (If that makes sense).  

All I can say for sure is that when I am Out Of Body, I have a definate sense of being part of something far more than a fleshy bag of blood and bones.

I give up.  

A quick aside: Before someone quotes quantum physics as proof that determinism doesn't exist, and hence the rest of the idea falls down, read up on black hole entropy.
The one hurled in a deterministic universe was that information was lost in black holes, now it seems string theory has provided a solution to this problem. Black holes actually store the information lost to them, and through entropy, that information could be passed back into the universe.

Why do they call it "information" anyway?  I mean, the stuff that supposedly leaks from a black hole surely has no resemblance to the stuff that was crammed into it in the first place. Its pure radiation. Radiation is not information. It would be generous to call it "data", nevermind "information".    Anyway, just a thought. Symantics schmantics.

I should state assumptions.

You know what they say about assumptions?  

and even ideas we do not like should be studied to see if they contain any truth.

I very much agree. I never liked the idea of a black hole, but apparently they do exist and I have come to accept it in time...

In a deterministic universe, everything is predestined.

I hate this idea, but okay...

I guess it comes down to, that if we are all the exact same consciousness, spawned from the same physical brains (in different bodies) then isn't it possible that each of our brains contain the same areas of knowledge and knows through the way we are wired. So 2 people meeting in the astral, could really be 2 people accessing the area of brain function relating to this experience?)

This can never be proven or disproven to somebody who is assuming reality as being only physical and nothing else... so it is kind of pointless really.

What I'm trying to get my head around is the possibility that the universe as we know it is a brain construct

The old brain-in-a-jar idea. Again, there is no way for a brain-in-a-jar to prove to itself that there exist a reality beyond the experiences it creates in its own mind.

and so all experience is already stored.

I do think that outside of our physical linear timeframe, all probable experiences exist (or are stored then) in some way.

That is, things are very different from what we actually perceive.

There is no reality, there is only perception. A vague statement, I know...

I know there are a lot of holes in the above, and even the possibility of such a thing being true can be quite scary,

It is scary to think that ALL my perceptions regarding OBE's and AP's being non-physical experiences, are all wrong.

As we are seeing truth through only a self filtered belief system/ego and potentially only seeing what we would like to see.

What truth? There is only perception for us. Truth can not be found here.

how would you personally disprove them , or integrate them?

As lame as it sounds, the "reality" is that I cannot disprove them to you, only to myself. In my own limited perceptions I have come to believe I am part of something that is more than merely physical.



Interesting.

This is something I have wondered about myself.

Would the only real purpose of taking on such an existence in the physical be to teach others in the physical various lessons? For example, the parents will have to go through some serious lessons when they give birth to a severely retarded child.

However, to answer your question, in my opinion I doubt they take their disabilities with them beyond the physical. Unless there are certain belief constructs where being disabled can further be of benefit to others within that construct...

I can't imagine taking on such a focus for the benefit of teaching somebody some lesson or whatever. It is a very selfless act to limit oneself so.

Then again it can also be interesting to adobt a savant-like focus.