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Hello Everyone,

  Selski- thank you so much for your response it was extremely helpful. What your saying makes complete sense. Relaxing the face is hard for me at the moment. Its strange, in the 3 years ive been learning meditation and trance states i am able to easily and quickly relax my entire body to the point of not being able to feel it but i still have trouble relaxing my face, mouth, eyes etc. I never thought of using an eye mask, i will definetely try that as i think my eyes are really the most debilitating at this point.

   About the "going along for the ride" thing. usually i will attempt exit techniques and such and then stop and just enjoy the sensations but like i said thats when my face starts twitching to accompany all exit sensations and it just sort of negates them which is why they fade away i think. I think your right though, putting less emphasis on the exit techniques and more on just relaxing will probably be much more beneficial. Thanks again for your response. Ill make sure and keep you updated how things go =).

                                                -Chris

This post has probably been the most ridiculous waste of time ever created on this site. It is very unfortunate to have people with nothing more to do with their time then waste other peoples. Its not the fact that this guy creates this disgusting work of fiction and posts this, its that other people give into it and start to believe in it. This very thing is the exact backpeddling of true spiritual development. This is also a very unfortunate occurence that will always take place online and make it impossible for people who are truly interested in real metaphysical matters to find a place seriously research it. It is why i have become very detached with this site and others. I beg you people... stop and look at things like this, ask yourself truly, dig deep down and really ask, is this guy sincere? Its not hard to figure it out. Stop fueling this kind of nonsense, there are sites for this sort of thing... i was under the impression that this site was not, i guess im wrong.

Hello everyone,

     I have studied OBE's off and on for about 3 years now and have long been a member of this site as well (although i was unable to recover my 1st account made here). Anyway, due to personal issues i have fallen in and out of the study of OBE's, but now i am completely determined to hone this discipline. I am able to achieve trance state fairly easily (mind awake/body asleep). several times i have had the classic OBE symptoms when attempting an exit technique in deep trance, but i have yet to exit my body (or yet to remember doing it). I really just need a little advice from someone who is experienced and maybe could help me in anyway. A routine attempt goes like this....I put myself in a deep trance and sometimes raise energy but most of the time do not. once i am in trance i begin to use one of two techniques point shift or rope. on a more successful attempt i will feel strange energy sensations like i am growing, my heart chakra will start racing, i will feel a pulling in my torso, i will start to hear a strange high pitched whirring sound and then at the height of all these symptoms when it feels as though i should exit..... nothing... and everything just fades away. another very strange problem is my face especially around where my eyes are begin to twitch very hard and fast and becomes very uncomfortable... the easiest explanation is that i havent relaxed my face enough but it doesnt make sense because iu spend a lot of time relaxing my whole body and it seems strange that if i wasnt relaxed that i would enter trance state and have projection symptoms... i believe my face twitching my attribute to many of the failures ive had as it has been present each time.  I have read through Astral Dynamics as well as many other OBE type books. Robert briefly mentions that he has dealt with this type of phenomenon but failed to really expand at that point what to do in this situation where a would be projector fails to fully project. This is a very frusterating situation for me as i want to project more than anything but i refuse to give up. I know this all takes time and was just wondering if anyone who has had experience with this could give me a little more advice then, "keep trying." =)... any response is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.


                                                 -Chris