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She asked me to do it. Her english and understanding of all the terms on the forum is quite limited.. But thanks anyways for a useful answer

Hi everyone

I am writing this in regards to my friend who has a bit of a problem.

When i got to know her she told me that she has been dealing with some sleeping problems for a few years now, that is: every night when she goes to sleep she has lucid dreams. She often goes from awake state through the hypagogic state down into dreaming without losing awareness. This however cause her sleep to become irregular and she often wakes up during the night only to be exhausted the nest day. She has been seeing doctors for a few years and they have detected that she cannot go into deep sleep. Her brainwaves keeps her around REM-sleep, sleepstage one and two but not further down which explains her frequent LD.

Until recently she hasnt been aware of that other ppl also have LDs and she found it surprizing that many ppl are pursuing to have them. This also includes OBEs which she also experience quite frequently, and also incidents of remote viewing. I told her that this is rly great and that i know so many ppl who would love to have what she has. But her situation is not as great as it seems...

Except for her often being tired, the content of the LDs is often very disturbing. Recently she has tried to deal with them by controlling them but sometimes, she says, she cannot control them and they seem to have a life of their own even though she is aware of that she is dreaming. She says that they often are about dying and on a few occasions she has woken up anly to see someone next to her bed pointing a gun at her. She also have hallucinations when approaching sleep but still awake, sitting up in her sofa, very real ones. Also these very disturbing content. She often have problems with sleeping paralysis and this is also what mostly inhibits her sleep. Sometimes they might last for as long as 30 min. She often sleepwalks and describes incidents when she has woken up by standing in the middle of a room hyperventilating.

I told her that the disturbing content of her LDs might be fear tests and told her that this is a good opportunity to deal with her fears. As for the other things im unsure. It seems though as if she has a great potential to discover the greater conscious reality, but at the same time a lot of the other more distrubing things seems quite inhibiting. Ive given her my understanding of LDs, OBEs and all that and told her to read robert monroes book

What advice would u give to her? What do u make of her profile?

thanks

haha well, i had a feeling that u guys would get me out on deep water. its amazing how helpful everyone is here at this forum

thanks for the vinegar btw, i hope that will make things easier next time along with some new knowledge!

thanks for all the great answers! im starting to realize how much that i have to work with..

Hey guys,

I've been wondering for a while now if losing your temper, being annoyed or frustrated has to do with your fears and ego? Does a high quality counsciousness get angry, annoyed? Or is infinite patience the result of a high quality counsciousness?

For example the other day i was helping my parrents to clean out their new house and was given the task to clean the windows which proved to be rly tough. It was rly hot and i was hungry, and in pain from being sore from working out and the god d*mn windows just wouldnt get as crystal clear as my mom wanted them. Eventually i was done but at the price of my good mood. I guess helping someone else out this day wasnt such a happy time as i expected it would be.
Sometimes circumstances can just make u really frustrated...

Any thoughts?

big THANKS

thanks for the encouragement guys! its hard to put down in words how awesome universe became just lately ill def continue my discoveries.

@ChopstickFox: Thats nice beijing is a cool city. Yes ive been here for a year now, in Qufu, shandong studying kungfu and chinese. and also in a way astral projection haha. Yes i guess that i just have to stop expecting it to be somewhat like the physical world and just "empty the cup" (to put it in terms of kungfu heh)

@bedekeen: its SOOOOOO cool!!:D But I think ill have to read your post a few times over and over before ill grasp it somewhat. Like you said its quite profound, big questions like what is real and what is consciousness and all that stuff. I think it just has to take its time before i rly get it. So then if it was not an RTZ projection it was a AP? Hehe i should try that lightsaber thing. seems pretty awesome.
Any suggestions why no guide showed up?

Hey again everyone,

Last night I had an OBE and there are some things that i am still wondering about. Things that doesnt seem to add up.

This time my intent was to find a guide or someone that could answer some questions, help me. After the separation, which went smoother than usual, i floatedd out and landed by the foot of my bed. My room almost looked the same as my physical one this time, except for an extra desk in the corner. So i tried to call for my guide, first verbally but then i remembered that ive read on the forum that i should do it emotionally. So i did. However, nothing happened. No change in the environment, no voices, no apparition. So i thought that i should try to calling from outdoors, away of my small crowdy bedroom. So I went thorugh the bedroom window expecting to come out of the appartment but to my surprize i ended up somewhere completely different.

My current location is in China since im attending a oneyear language study here, but what appeared to me now was the view from my parents home's veranda in over the neigh boorhood. They live in Sweden. It was a beautiful summer day, green birch trees and a beautiful blue sky with some clouds. The view was crystalclear and amazingly real. To examine the world more closely i picked a green leaf from one of the trees to examine it. To my astonishment all details were there: small miscoloured stains of yellow and brown, small holes after insect bites, the tiny fibrers. i allowed myself to think about that a minute ago i had been in my bed in China trying to induce an OBE and now i was home. At least so it seemed. Unfortunately i lost my OBE state here since i thought of my physical body in bed.

But anyways it was cool.

So my questions are:

Why did i end up in thousands of km away and not outside my appartment when I went through the window? If im in the RTZ shouldnt be an almost exact copy of the physical world?
Why was it summertime considering it is now wintertime?
How was I able to pick a leaf from the tree? According to what ive read i should be able to manipulate the OBE world, or am i wrong?

Thanks

haha thanks!

ok well does make sense from the reactions ive got.

in my first obe i ever had, as soon as i got out of the body i rushed through my bedroom door and found myself in someones kitchen with a lot of ppl who seemed mexican or from some hispanic culture: some sitting by a dinner table, some standing talking to one another . It seemed like a party to me. And i remember i screamed at them to go away because i tought they were "shadow ppl" inhabiting my appartment. And they looked at me and each other so strangely so i got really embarrased and jumped through their the window to have my first flying experience haha

ok thanks for all ur advice. ill try to ask for my guide next time

when i find myself in the vibration state i try to relax and just float out. but then i experience difficulties in doing this, feeling like im being held back or heaviness ive thought about that song by R. Kelly - "I believe i can fly" and that made the progress a lot easier

thank u so much for answering, Bedeekin!

wooow really? thats awesome i do feel a little ashamed now, being so greedy with what i want to experience. its just that all those books depict the obe world like its so amazing and super clear and all. so i guess i was expecting that cus usually its kinda dark and difficult to see anything at all. then think the words "clarity now!" and the room lights up and things get really clear, but thats when its start changing.

right after i come out out of my body i often meet ppl and then of course im super excited so i go like "waaaaaaahh im in an OBE!" and start asking questions like who are they, is this an OBE, blablabla and they always look at me like im the biggest idiot or weirdo in the world. like im intruding their freedom or something. is there a chance that these ppl are "real" or are they images of my own mind?

yea my intent has many times been just to see my own body lying there, which for me would have been kind of the proof that im in an OBE. But so far the bed usually just disappear.
what do you think is a good intent for a beginner? something fairly easy?

Hey guys im new here

Since I learned about OBE, The Astral World and all that stuff about half a year ago my I've actively tried to achieve these kind of experiences. Recently I've done some progress but I am confused about my results since it doesnt sound like others experiences ive read about.

2-3 times a week I get up after 4 hours of sleep continue with my experiments.  after 45 min i go back to bed and start to repeat affirmatons and visualisations (explained by William Buhlman in his book), and try to wait for the vibration state or whatever. But it doesnt come. I usually float between falling asleep and awareness o couple of times until SUDDENLY i am distracted by some strange sound, like a big BANG!!, or like a scream, and usually it scares me a little. Then shortly after hearing the sound i always experience a change of energy, like a buzz in my body and i get lighter. So i focus on floating upwards and finally i come out sometimes landing flat on my stomach on the floor or on the side of the bed. This is always very real. Sometiems i expperience someone,something pulling me out. But then when i expect to be in the "OBE world" but my room always looks different or im in a completely different place. The enviroment is amasingly clear but it is continuously changing around me. After that i keep on doing dream-like stuff like flying etc.

So it seems to me that I am in a lucid dream because in this state ive had many experiences of seeing myself or spending time with my friends(although im completelly aware of that im dreaming or having some sort of OBE). Usually i only remember fragments of the LD the morning after.

Ive had this kind of experience maybe 7-8 times now the last couple of months. I always focus my thoughts on to enter "the real OBE world" or whaatever but it seems that even if i "get out of my body" i cannot get out of my head since it seems like im still dreaming.

*So NO vibration progress
*Experience a floating out of body
*Still not in my room

whats up with that???

would rly appreciate some answers from u experienced ones

Chris