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[The mind is not in the body, the body is in the mind]

The mind is not in the body, the body is in the mind. ¡What a crack in our believe systems if these is find to be truth !

¿Am I dreaming of being in a body sorrounded by other bodys? ¿ Is there a ONE univresal mind, dreaming itself as many and separate individualyts?

                          Ensoñador

Hello:

Last weekend I went to a Transperosnal center (Manantial) here in Mexico City in order to heal some wounds. I took a two day course called "inner liberation". There I worked with holotropic breathwork or "pranayama" breathing.  Well, I expereinced a lot of fear while doing it, but at the end It was perty good, and did expressed a lot of repressed feelings.

Two days passed and I had this astral experience I would like to share:

I went in a dream to the center, walk in to the experiementation room, and there I used a spiritual sword to make a light explotion. Then I start spinning the sword on the air and made a red-orange spiral. I went inside the spiral and start moving around. While spinning I heard a lot of people crying, others vomited, screaming and laughing like a loony house, or like Dantes hell.  Terrible voices and spirits started to aproach me, spinning around me, saying "your going crazy" "your are going to broke your self in peaces". I knew I had to go all staright up through the spiral in order to be in the Great Light, but I doubted and felt a lot of fear. I felt I was going to explode but I woke up. When I did I phoned my father to tell him this horrible nightmare, but he wouldnt listen to me, he just interrupted every time I want to tell him something. I cried a lot, feeling alone and with no comprenhension from others. Then I woke up again, I had just one of those false awakings.  

When I truly woke up I could still feel the pressence of thesse negative entities, (I ddint want this sipirts to be visible, thta could make me insane) So I went to the Kitchen for a Glass of water to purify the ambient, and then I could sleep again. But I was still very ansius so I masturbated to calm and relax.  In the morning when I woke up I was really really tired, almost with no energy. I cant remember being that tired before. I was really depressed in the moring, sadnesss, ansiety, panic atacks, all toghether. I went to work like that, and saw in the children hospital a little girl with Aids in a terminal phase. I started to beliefe life is horrible and got angry with God.  ¿Was all this a visible and invisible Test? Yes, I believe my faith is being tested. I guess I,m fighting my own demonds, but ¿how can I know for sure if these were my own fears or really ghostly spirits? It looked like they didnt wanted me to climb up to the Great light, ¿why?

I would like to hear if someone in here has these kind of atacks, and how do you handle it.

                                                        Thank you very much

Hello:

I had this WILD lucid dreaming last week:


I,ve had some lucid dreams but to pass fully awake to a lucid dream was a real challenge. I was trying to stay awake while my body sleeps, but had always become asleep or astral projetcted when I tried. Well, one week ago I woke up at 5:00 AM. and make some meditation. Then I decided to go to bed again and tried to make a concious OBE. I had no OBE, but while I was falling asleep I could conserve my mind awake and started to see clearly a very funny thing. I could see what I call "the beging of a dream". ¿Remember the state where you start to feel like everything gets black and confused before you lose conciouness? Well, I was like in the middle of it and a dream. It was a division, and obstacle to cross. When I finally decides to cross trough the blackness into the dream, I crossed it lucid and started a lucid dream. Trees and mountain, and high speed flight I made. For instances, flying down took me to the same blackness but then I started flying up and everyting becamed lucid again. When I got tired, I satrted to fall and think that I was going to wake up. And thats exactly waht happends, I woke up, but...
!surprise!, I woke up in an other dream. I was in a bed, as an usual morning and streching. Then I tought I could be still dreaming. I looked around to see if something was weird. Altough I was in my Grandfathers house in New mexico, I didnt take that as weird because I,m used to go there. Nothing was wrong, I even hit my finger with the table and it hurts my like hell. Then I tought "I cant be dreaming" So I lost lucidity in that moment and continued dreaming as in ordinary dreams. When I woke up I could remember almost everyting. I made a Wild lucid dream, and woke myself in another dream after it. I believe we can change to other dreams completly lucid. And I have found a technique to do it. Just when you feel your lucid dream is about to end, let your self falling down, and think and declare what you want to do. You can say "I will wake up in another dream, and imagine that dream, this will take you to waht you have imagined.  You can also used it to transform your luid dream into and OBE saying wihle letting yourself going down: "I will wake up in my astral body or real time body". When You are falling down knowing that you are going to wake up, usually means your projected double is returning to your body. What you have to do is to cach it beforer it reachs your phisical body.   I,ts very easy to start the falling-confused sensation, just close your eyes and let yorself go, or start spinning around. If your lucid dream contains a canyon or something whwre you can jump, just let yourself fall into it. Try to finish your dream, but just before it ends, jump into something else. To lucid dream orderly you have to put attention to things, to jump into something else, you have to losse atttention and concentration in lucid dream and then recover it again. Its like an endless puzzle. Lucid dreamin is the first puzzle to construct, then you have to mix all again and construct something different again. The ability to chang fro one state of conciouness to other is part of the art of dreaming.

Book suggested: "The art of dreaming", Carlos Castaneda.

Can someone tell me the diffrenece between constructing something in my mind and clarividence? I,m in a group of prayers and sometimes they say they see things. When I´m getting relaxed just before sleep I ve seen some mental pictures, is that clairvidence or its just my unconcious. Please help me!

Hi Ensonador!

When I first started trying for conscious projections, I had the same problem with feeling extremely heavy.  I just kept at it, and found the further away from my physical I got the lighter I felt.

Not sure if that is the same problem, but I would just stick with it.[^]

Good-luck,

Nay

Since I realised that most "negs" I encountered were simply my own negative emotions being reflected back at me, I find now the whole issue of negs to be something generally worth ignoring. I keep my dark emotions in check, or acknowledge them and move on when they do surface, and they don't come back to haunt me.

From your description Ensoñador, it seems your negs are simply fear manifestations from a bad nights sleep. A case of nothing to fear but fear itself.

Suggestion - when you are sick with a cold or the flue, leave the energy work alone for a bit.

Your physical body is making good use of your energy body for healing, and it knows what to do itsself. When you start trying to manipulate your energy body, even with good intentions, you upset the balance and things can go wrong. When you're sick, best let someone else who knows how to heal help you by sending you their energy. Again, the energy knows what to do without our direction. Just sit back relax and let it do its own thing.

The first month or 2 I tried to get vibrations, they were sometimes painful, mostly in my lower back. It never phyiscally hurt me. I think you should ignore the pain.

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Hey there,

I can't help you too much with your projecting problems, because I myself am not very succesful, though, I can give some advice on your lucidity issue.

Usually, you're most lucid when you're about to wake up. However, the best ways you can stay lucid normally, is constantly reminding yourself of it.

Rubbing your hands, talking to yourself, spinning around all help you center yourself and maintain awarness (for me atleast). Even a simple little phrase like "awarness now" goes along way, or you can try and use your own mantra.

The more aware you are in your dreams, the more potential and freedom you have.

Seriusly dubt it as it is a biologic neccessety to keep test the equipment. If you dont do it , the body is gonna do it for you in sleep =P (assuming no sex aswell).
But dont take my word for it , Mr.Kangs post on the front page has a answer to a similar question from Robert Bruce .

quote:Sex will not disempower you unless you believe it will. Sex is actually very
balancing, which will help you achiever higher altered states. Celibacy is
not a good idea unless the desire to be celibate comes from within. A person
may 'believe' they have to be celibate, but unless this urge comes from
within and is truly what that person wants, then it will unbalance them
through frustration.

The sex chakra can become involved in energy work, but this is not a
desirable thing as its way too distracting. //Its best to work around this
center.

Note the post is regarding kundalini but i reckon this first question hold true for normal energy work as well.
Read the full post for consistancy http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/post.asp?method=Reply&TOPIC_ID=10596&FORUM_ID=13

Considering the amount of solar activity the plague is very likely to be connected with solar flare activity and copious amounts of radiation falling upon earth. It will be worldwide due to the rotisserre nature of the earths movement around the sun.

quote:Originally posted by Ensoñador

 
Some friends and I have been dreaming about a plague of black insects coming from outerspcace or from the center of the earth. This insects eat matter, cars, and some people too. I wouldnt think about this dreams literaly as going to happen, but in a metaphorical way could mean that earth or humanity is on a purification process from its materialism and lack of spirituality.  What do you think, has someone dreamead about these or hear about thesse?

My dream was this: I was by a beautifull river, and strangely a human leg was levitating on the river. It was being eated by this black insects that had or made like an energetic field around the leg.  When I woke up I thought I was going crazy, I tought this was a good dream to be painted by Dali. Then I went to see my friends and he reminded me about the plague they dreamd 6 months ago.

                    Ensoñador

You can try to slowly count in your mind: 1... 2... 3... and try not to loose it.  Each time you loose it, go back to 1...  Or focus on your breathing maybe.

Some people think OBEs and LDs are the same; others don't...
You'll have to try and see for yourself...
For me, they are mostly the same except that OBEs have a body separation sensation and maybe a little more lucidity.

Thanks for the article. I'm a member at lucidity.com and I'll tell you right now they are scientists who believe it is "naive" to think that consciousness can be separated from the body. They believe OBE's are a type of lucid dream. But they fail to prove that the consciousness can not be separated from the body.[]

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Ensoñador-

Hola mi amigo!  I speak a very little bit of spanish or as I would say in spanish-Hablo bastante espanol []  What you can do is load the file with the add attatchment button on the bottom of this forum.  That should do the trick.  It has an image of a paper clip if tht helps you locate it. good luck!

-Tu amigo

-Tenacious[]

I suppose that in order to prove that an OBE is not a dream, you would also have to prove that what we call 'real life' is not a dream either.

After all, what is real life anyway?  What makes your waking consciousness any more 'real' than your astral one?  Simply because you can knock on the same piece of wood repeatedly and your hand stops on the surface?  Does this tell you that you're awake, because your hand doesn't pass through a solid object?  We reproduce things in our everyday life, and we substitute this consistency for what is "real."

However, in my mind, everything I EXPERIENCE is real.  For instance, when I am astral travelling, the experience is more real and clearer to me than I am when I am awake.  My senses are sharper, my mind is more alert, etc.  It is every bit as "real" to me as it is to respond to your message right now.

So is the simple fact that I can't bring a part of it back to show people make the experience any less real?  I don't believe so.  

The problem is trying to reproduce something over and over and over again when you're in an environment that is highly reactive to thoughts and emotions.  About the only thing I have reproduced when astral are astral things......I have reproduced the feelings and sensations when flying, when passing through walls, when breathing the air, etc.  I have not, however, gave a second thought when I'm out to look at a card, or try to prove that the experience is "real" because at that very moment, I am completely and positively aware that it's 100% real.  There is no doubt in my mind.

It's only when you come back (and especially if you drift off into a dream) that you start to second guess all that happened.  All you're left with is the MEMORY of the experience, and this can seem very dreamlike if you don't recall the details of what happened.

Hi,Ensoñador
I am sorry I cannot help you with this paticular dream. But I wanted to communicate with you to tell you how impressed I am with some of you other posts. Are you basically saying, "The Is IS."? Because I think that that is the pinnacle of wisdom and I wonder, with your wisdom, that we are searching for something that doesn't exist, Does this belief bring you inner Peace? And is it KNOWLEDGE? or belief?
And how did you come to this knowledge at 21 yrs of age?
I think I see what you are saying, that all this searching for our higher selves, Spirit etc, is looking for something that just IS, not something that exists, does that make sense and is that what you mean?
I find the way you express yourself fascinating and would like to hear more.
As for your dream..maybe looking up the meaning of the number 10 in numerology might shed some light on it, and what did /does your grandfather mean to you? I find that if I write down a dream, all the details, and especially WHAT I WAS FEELING during the dream, clarity ALWAYS comes as I write! Try it!
Looking forward to communicating with you more...Alison aka Ametrine

hi ensonador !

I'm nearly finished reading "the art of dreaming"....I have to say its extremely interesting taken in context with what R. Bruce and R Monroe experienced ! hopefully I'll post some notes on it next week.

I always assumed that Castaneda was "new age" / clap-trap... just goes to show, never judge a book by its cover !

Don'ty ou have to ingest lots and lots of powdered gold, though?

Ensoñador,

I hadn't heard of any of this until reading your post. Then, I searched and came up with some sites like this one:
http://www.i-breathe.com/

Perhaps someone who has done breathwork will provide some information. Still, there are a more websites on this than I imagined would exist.

Very best,

Oh, just great..I have THREE holes in me? That can't be good.[]

Nay..

i see it like this  ensonador...

logically   man   should  want to seek  truth, grow  and to evolve... yes?   this is a fair  statement  which i  think most people  want  for  mankind...

logically,    unlocking the latent faculties of  our minds is a step in the right direction-  harnessing  more of  our  innate "abilities" to hopefully  understand ourselfs better,  and the relationship between mind and matter---  especially  with telekensis.

maybe  some people  can only get out of there bodies and explore there room and say "this is boring, why do this?"  its a good point-  we can all explore our rooms whenever we want...

the point is a  new frontier of  consciousness is  available to a growing species  which science should start to  investigate more seriously..

say you can only  explore your room,  (not YOU, i mean people in general)  they could  cultivate  it  and hopefully explore the astral  worlds.

ive only had a few OBE's   which took place  in  my house and out on the street by my house,  the location  doesnt really matter to me,  its  more  that  this is a  unexplored ability of all men  we should BY PRINCIPLE  investigate...

say  you built a car,  you would be  quite dissapointed if someone bought it  and only  used it  for its horn and nothing else... you would want them to use it to drive,  to sit in,  to  use the  boot,  basically  to  use all the features you designed it with,  you would know that your car is being fully HARNESSED.

that is how i see god and man.  

men are "built"   with faculties which allow  them to explore different states of being-  maybe god is looking down  upon us  sighing that  we arent using all the features he designed us with.

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welcome to the forum. it's amazing that you can remember anything from that age. i find that when i am mediatating i can recall things from my childhood, but nothing from that long ago.

this is the place you want to be if you have any questions regarding anything having to do w/ oobe's. spend a few hours looking around and doing searches on things that you have questions about. there is enough information on here to keep you busy for days. anything you dont find out about i'm sure will be answered by someone here. gl w/ everything
fred

Pain can transfer between the physical and astral bodies or it can occur at seperation if one part of your physical is not ready.

I can remember having some strange experiences while fully awake, of feeling like I was 'coming out the top of my head' or sort of feeling very 'tall' for a lack of better words.
I can remember driving my mother's car, and all of a sudden feeling very much like this. I was in control of the vehicle, but also somewhat entranced, and feeling like all my awareness was in my head region.
I've also had feelings like that later when I learned self-hypnosis, how to put myself into a very deep trance, and I got so deep that my body sort of felt numb, but part of me felt heavy, and the other part lighter, like I was sort of approaching a more vertical state although I was lying down.
I'd like to hear more about what your friend says.

Some of those books are very good. In the book on dreaming, or one of the others, there is a doctor who lived in the north of Mexico and appeared every day for work in the south end of Mexico. He went home every night. He did not go physically. He went in the dream body.