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Lost city of Atlantis found?
Researcher claims ruins are in the Mediterranean

LIMASSOL, Cyprus (AP) -- An American researcher claimed Sunday to have discovered the remains of the legendary lost city of Atlantis on the bottom of the east Mediterranean Sea. But Cyprus' chief government archaeologist was skeptical.

Robert Sarmast said sonar scanning of the seabed between east Cyprus and Syria revealed man-made walls, one as long as 3 kilometers (2 miles), and trenches at a depth of 1,500 meters (1,640 yards).

"It is a miracle we found these walls as their location, and lengths match exactly the description of the acropolis of Atlantis provided by Plato in his writings," Sarmast said, referring to the ancient Greek philosopher.

"We have definitely found the Acropolis of Atlantis," he affirmed, adding the site was 80 kilometers (50 miles) southeast of Cyprus.

The chief government archaeologist of Cyprus, Pavlos Flourentzos, reacted with skepticism, telling The Associated Press: "More proof is necessary."

Sarmast, 38, is an architect by training from Los Angeles. He has devoted the past two-and-a-half years to trying to locate the lost city described by Plato in his dialogues, the Timaeous and the Critias. He spoke to reporters on the "Flying Enterprise," his expeditionary ship, after six days of taking highly sophisticated "side scan" sonars of the seabed.

He said he had chosen the area from data provided by two earlier sonar scans of the east Mediterranean by Russian and French expeditions. His own expedition used more sophisticated equipment, he said.

"We found more than 60-70 points that are a perfect match with Plato's detailed description of the general layout
of the acropolis hill of Atlantis. The match of the dimensions and the coordinates provided by our sonar with Plato's description are so accurate that, if this is not indeed the acropolis of Atlantis, then this is the world's greatest coincidence," he said.

Tests of that part of the seabed showed it had once been above sea level, he said.

"We cannot yet provide tangible proof in the form of bricks and mortar as the artifacts are still buried under several meters of sediment at a depth of 1,500 meters (1,640 yards), but the evidence is now irrefutable," he added.

Asked if the ruins could not be that of another city that sank beneath the waves, Sarmast said the remains match Plato's description of Atlantis so closely that they could not be anything else.

"If you compare it with Plato, you will be astonished," he said. "We hope that future expeditions will be able to uncover the sediment and bring back physical proof."

Plato wrote of Atlantis as an island in the western sea, which has been widely interpreted to mean the Atlantic Ocean. An earthquake undermined the island and it was submerged. But societies dedicated to finding Atlantis remain.

For its time, Atlantis was a highly civilized nation and in legend it has become associated with utopia. The English philosopher Francis Bacon called his 1627 book on the ideal state The New Atlantis.

Flourentzos said it was possible that Atlantis was near Cyprus.

"The myth of Atlantis has been around for ages and it is generally believed that, if it ever existed, it was somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean -- hence its name. But ancient cities and civilizations in the Mediterranean region, such as the Minoan civilization of Crete, have disappeared as a result of major volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. For all we know, Atlantis may well have existed in our region."

Sarmast said his expedition had cost about $250,000. The funds came from public donations to his US-based company "First Source Enterprise," which is devoted to the project, sales of his book "The Discovery of Atlantis," and the Cypriot Tourist Organization, which donated $60,000.

He said the book, published in September 2003, said Atlantis was in the east Mediterranean and his latest sonars confirmed it.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/14/cyprus.atlantis.ap/index.html
#3
The admin is aware of the problem; at least for Mozilla/Netscape running in Windows...
#4
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#5
a true blessing for the family. i've been wondering about that one since i first heard about it. it kept slipping my mind and then i'd keep remembering it. it kind of got lost in the bustle of my own life, but it is good to see that they have good closure.

~kakkarot
#6
Welcome to Astral Chat! / 8march2003.com
March 08, 2003, 14:14:49
The Core must be a really crappy movie if they have to go to all this trouble.

PS. Either that, or James Randi and friends are up to their old tricks again.
#7
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Fear
March 05, 2003, 12:07:32
Ah, so you are saying, that fear is being spread now, at the moment, say to increase public support for war?
Well, I don't have a TV, or watch any new source, and I have been feeling this too! Not a lot, it subsided a bit in the last couple of days. However, maybe I am just picking up on a global fear. bbuuuuttt if that is the case it doesn't paint a particularly pleasing picture either, since whatever is in the mass consciousness is inevitably what will manifest. The beliefs and fears of the massive are a very powerful force!

Rob

Hhhhmmm!! Maybe, maybe....if everyone was give up all their materialistic, closed minded, anit-spiritual rubbish, it would become much easier for people to reach upwards, towards enlightenment, and more people like in our group here would start to experience psychic phenoenon? Interesting....I think it very likely that the suppressive force of the sheeple is a big controlling factor....GGGRRRRRR!!!!!
#8
Interesting post Epsilon,

I have not studied Buddhism in great detail but I question a bit the oversimplicity of the 6 possible states of existance. Not to mention that the path to achieving Nirvana does not take the average human being from a limited state of consciousness to nirvana instantly; I would be more likely believe there are varying stages of human spiritual evolution with each one possessing a greater sense of overall awareness, or greater ability to see objective reality due to being a more spiritually evolved.

1) Such container-like approach denies that spirits could also exist in other forms, such as angels/demons, elementals, etc.

2) Further, to state on one hand that human is not the most evolved, yet it is the most desired state seems to contradict the purpose of wanting to evolve beyond the limited scope of humanity.

3) also the article says little in regard to how a human might reach the level of demi-god and also or how you differentiate a god from a human that has reached nirvana?

4) So where do plants fit into the whole scheme of things? Are they not living entities? Have they no spirit according to Bhuddhism?

Inquisitive minds want to know :)
Adept of Light
#9
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Bush vs Saddam Debate
February 25, 2003, 16:54:00
Now that really would be something to watch ,wouldn't it? It's also obvious that Bush will never agree to that.Without his aides and scriptwriters he would find it difficult to convince a priest that  God exists.

Parmenion
#10
Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Ki Ball?
February 20, 2003, 15:56:36
Sounds about right to me, I suppose that no two persons would have the same experience anyway, so you would have to decide to yourself what it is. But like I said, it definitely seems like a ki ball.
-Mera
#11
Epsilon,
I will pray that your Dad's oporation goes as easy as it possibly can. Same for his recovery process. Hope all is well.
~Child of the Forest
#12
I'm sure Philadelphia has a good martial artist kung fu instructor. They are hard to come by because often they do not advertise. A good instructor is never easy to find. The only reason I found my instructor is because I happened to see him train with his students as I was going to dinner from my dorm. Some instructors will want to be found, and others will not. If you get a good instructor, keep in mind that the training can be excruciatingly painful. But stick with it because it'll be worth it in the end. What I like about kung fu is that we learn how to take a blow and not just deliver them. We also do a lot of energy raising. If you want a style that does energy raising, Tai Chi is very good, and so is qi gong. There are many types of qi gong and what kind you want depends on how you intend to use the energy (called qi, chi, ki) you accumulate. Some styles are for healing, and others for fighting (of course, that's a very general classification, as there are many types (hundreds) of qi gong styles. Tai Chi does both healing and fighting, from what I understand. Look around online for qi gong and you should run into a few different types. Some are more common than others.