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Not last night but the night before, I had a really strange OBE experience. I had a few projections where I'd just be heading for my bedroom door and going through it and then returning straight back to my body and then a bit later I found myself becoming lucid in one of these environments where it seems like your at a location rather than something your mind has simply created if you know what I mean. I was in this garden area with a few greenhouses scattered about talking to this man with short brown hair who I think was named Scott and I asked him if he knew what astral projection or out of body experiences were. He said 'of course I do' I said do you visit the website 'astral pulse' at all? He said 'yes I do'.. I said a few other things but cant quite remember what was said. Then I went to feel for my cord which is common place now and once again, there it was attached to the back of my head. When I went to feel for it, this man looked at me and I asked him 'Do you have one of these at all?' He went to feel for it and he didn't have one. I moved closer to him and felt for it myself and as I did this, I felt a big tug on the back of my head and a snapping noise and I looked at him and he was smiling.. I thought oh my god! and willed myself back hoping that I 'could' actually get back and I started panicking a little. Then on returning, I found myself completely paralysed and not able to move or speak for what seemed like a good minute and then I finally was able to get up out of bed. This is actually unusual too as the sleep paralysis is usually only short and lasts only 5 or so seconds if that.

This thing with the cord does make me wonder though and is my main focus when either out of body or lucid in a dream but I also wonder if its only there because I'm expecting it to be there..

Something I posted on another forum yesterday which you may find of interest..

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Just had multiple OBE's.

It's amazing to think that only a few minutes ago, I was layed in bed repeatedly projecting out of my body and wondering about the house. I had a really heavy drinking session yesterday and I've felt terrible today cos of it but on the plus side, It's always an ideal opportunity for an OBE attempt cos for some reason, I seem to be able to do it much much easier.

I was layed on my bed with my arms down my side and trying to clear my head of all thoughts which I pretty much did and then came the little warm tingling feelings in the ends of my fingers and then a few minutes later it got to the point where my limbs felt dead so then I slowly sat up (mentally) and I noticed how the floor felt which was the same as physically and I could feel the wooden beams on the bottom of my foot as weve not got carpets down at the moment. I headed straight for the door, passed through it a couple of times seeing if I could notice the difference in texture as we've had a new and solid one put on and I could but very very slightly. I headed for the landing and my vision wasn't clear at all and like looking through frosty glass. I 'said' 'clear vision please' and said it a few times as nothing changed but what I also noticed was that I was saying this physically. I tried not to say it physically but couldn't manage it. I headed downstairs and my vision became clearer but not perfect. I noticed some changes and how not everything looked like it should. For example we've just had our kitchen wall knocked through but the wall was still there. I went into the kitchen and at this point my vision quickly faded and I realised I was back in my physical but still semi paralysed so I projected again and I did this several times and kept loosing it once I got to the kitchen.

Eventually, I managed to project and get past the kitchen and I headed outside noticing the time on the cooker.. 5:35 . I got to the back door and decided to check for my cord again but before I put my hand to the back of my head I tried not to expect the cord to be there if you like. I slowly put my hand to the back of my head and couldn't feel anything and thought 'hmm this is a first but then I put my hand to the very top of my head and there it was but it was so thin like a piece of cotton. I felt around where it was connected to my head and it just seemed to go straight into my head. I then decided to not bother going outside and wanted to see how it felt on my physical head so I floated back upstairs and back through my bedroom door and I couldn't see myself and my bed was like it is now but I just couldn't see myself layed on top of it. I thought to myself 'well yea this is odd but I'm bound to be there' so I felt for the cord again and ran my hands down it to follow it back to my physical head and sure it enough it led to my physical head which I could feel but not see. On my physical head, where it joined, there was a few little bumps where it joined but barely noticeable and it kind of branched out a little bit. I held my cord in my hands again and couldn't believe how thin it was and I thought to myself again 'if I tugged this or it snapped somehow, would I remain in this state, possibly seen as a ghost'.

I decided to will myself back and got out of bed and went to check the cooker to see what time it was and it said 6:05 which is 30 minutes more than what it said when out. I felt all dazed for a bit trying to pull myself together a bit but feel fine now. I was just talking to my mum and dad after what I just experienced and in the back of my mind I'm thinking 'if only you could of just experienced what I have'. I told my mum and dad about my OBE's ages ago and don't really mention it now cos they just think its weird and I was dreaming. They really haven't a clue have they.

So do dream characters have any purpose do you think?  Every time I challenge a dream character, I get an angry stare as if I'm not supposed to be speaking to them or as if there going to get into trouble if they speak with me and straight away I can feel myself starting to phase out and wake up.  Do they know something that we don't perhaps?  There was one time when I managed to talk to this old guy but that was a one off.  What baffles me is when I've never even seen the person in my waking life and a lot of them tend to have there own personality.  I also wonder what I look like to them.  Once when I had an OBE and looked in the mirror, my eyes where all white and rolled back and I noticed I was floating about a foot off the ground.

Do you think that having a lot of experience with lucid dreaming and OBE's will help when I die?  For example will it be easier to come through to the physical in some way or other or show myself in others dreams.  Do you think I'll have some sort of a role given to me once I die perhaps? 

I've had lucid dreams all my life and there's not much I cant do now (when lucid that is, I'm still working on many things during OBE state) and I find myself teaching people how to fly, pass through walls and generally just creating things in front of me and watching others reactions.  Assuming there's more to life than the physical, I often wonder after experiencing all of this, whether I'll have a bit of an head start compared with somebody who hasn't experienced a lucid dream or OBE or someone that doesn't even remember any of there dreams because to them, surely all of this will be completely new..?

Just a thought.

Not last night but the night before, I had a few minor sperations that didn't really go anywhere apart from the last one.

I was in my usual half paralysed state and carefully eased myself out and headed through my bedroom wall and onto our street. I worked my way round the corner of our street and at the same time I was a little anxious of how far to go. I looked up at the sky and it was black but I saw something which I've seen before a few times which is that the sky was a much more darker black if that makes sense and the stars and moon where much brighter and twinkled more and it was like there was no clouds or at least none that where visible to me at that moment and as well as these stars there where other objects that looked pretty much the same but that shot all the way across the sky and some sort of spiralled across the sky really fast. I was stood there for a good 30 seconds just thinking to myself.. 'are these shooting stars? ufos? or even other people flying about out of body pssibly? or something else. After a while of just staring at all this activity in the sky totally fascinated by it all, I willed myself back.

It got me thinking though... I wonder if its much easier to notice these things when out of body? and maybe that's why I never really see much cloud when out too? The next day, I was stood at the bus stop and was looking up at the part of the sky that I was looking at whilst out of body and thinking to myself 'I wonder if there's something going on right now up there that we just cant see with the naked eye..?'

Ok.. we kind of know that we seperate from our body's at night whether where conscious of it or not.. ie: floating just a little bit above our physical with dreaming in place..

Here's a link which might seem irellevent but the more I watch it the more I start thinking..... God? Aliens? Jesus? Religion? what are we? etc.... imagine if there trillions of years in front and life on earth is merely an experiment.

I look at a quarter inch lcd tv and think 'God that's amazing look at the quality!!!'.. imagine what we'd think in a million years time at that.... so difficult to imagine but god I hope I'm around in astral form to see it... I think life is gonna be purely thought based in the future and it is gradually gonna blend into consciousness.. 


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218

I was thinking about these long strands of fuzzy static that resembles power lines up in the sky and it made me wonder.. Maybe there others silver cords as there flying about.. Probably a little far fetched like but just a thought I had.  I'm desperate to know what it is but cant find anything on it.  I wonder if I tried to fly along side of it where it would lead to.. perhaps somone on the other end? 

Last night I became lucid and found myself somewhere but where I don't know.  There's no way on earth that it was a dream.. I was in a massive place/city but it was completely made up of small and big steel pipes and towers that they where attached to.  I kept saying to myself 'forward' and id go forward but slow then id say 'faster' and id go faster and then id say 'more speed' and id gradually accelerate but not as much as I wanted and what I've noticed is that when I pass through things, in this case the pipes.. if I pass through slowly then I feel the texture more and a slight 'taste' etc.. and my senses seem more alert where as if I pass through going really fast then I pretty much cant feel anything but I'm aware that I'm passing through something.  I kept accelerating and as I looked forward in the background, all I could see was different sized piping connecting from tower to tower.  It got to a point where I was going too fast and no matter how much I said 'slower' I just wouldn't slow down and I freaked out and I had to will myself 'awake' which took a good 3 or 4 seconds but then once I came back I thought to myself 'I'm gonna go back and take a good look at this piping and see what it feels like with my hands'.  I slipped back in and returned to where I was, I put my arms out, they looked all white and sparkly and semi transparent which is like they are when I'm having an OBE but when I'm dreaming they look like they do now but just a bit more shiny and slightly rubbery.  I touched the piping and it felt just like a steel pipe and it was slightly rusty and a few little bits fell off my hands.  I thought to myself 'this is amazing, I'm here doing this but yet.. I'm in bed asleep'.  I then looked off in the distance again and looked all around me and all I could see was tons of pipes all connected to these towers.  Then I squinted my eyes to 'awake'.. I sat on the side of my bed, put my lamp on and just thought for a few minutes about what I'd experienced.

I really do wish that my friends would experience all this when they go to bed at night.  I can't really mention any of my experiences to them cos they'll just think I'm nuts..   I told them about my OBE's when I first started having them and they all started laughing and put it down to dreaming.. If only I could record what I experience and play it back to them the next day on television. 

I'm starting to have OBE's more and more frequent now and this is not just on the days 'after' drinking alcohol as I may of already said. I'm finding though that as I'm projecting, I'll be projecting as though I'm asleep in a different room in our house and even though its exactly the same as projecting from my room and bed.. its leading me to believe that I'm either projecting from a dream or simply dreaming of projecting or something.

Most nights now include me becoming lucid at some point in a dream or finding myself waking up in a semi paralysed state that I'm able to project from. I can either will myself to sit up (astrally) and try rolling out as to cut off or whatever happens, allowing me to then roam about and work on some sort of confirmation or I can let go and slip into a dream. Being conscious at the point where a dream starts is an interesting experience too. Usually it sort of fades in and everything gradually comes into view like an opening scene of a film or something.

A few nights ago I woke up in this semi paralysed state where all my limbs felt numb and heavy but if I wanted to move then I could do. Whilst in this state I felt a presence and I was able to speak but only just and only one word at a time. I was layed there and I reached my right astral arm out and opened up my hand wondering if anyone would touch it and I whispered 'hello?'. Nothing happened so I said it again but managed to get it out louder and someone held my hand gently and in a females voice said 'hey there Lee'. I wasn't too surprised and I kept whispering to her and she whispered back to me and this went on for a good few minutes but once again... I cant remember what we said.

Sometimes I have problems projecting my chest area if that makes sense. I Have no problem at all releasing my arms and legs but my chest area is usually quite a struggle and it feels like there's so much pressure around my chest which sometimes causes me to stop in case I cause myself any harm. As I'm willing myself out its like my heart is being squeezed more and more or something.. can anyone relate?

EDIT: Last night just before I came round from a normal dream, a man was stood in front of me and said the following which I've been trying to decipher all day and I've never heard this before.  He said  'A wise man once said..  A man need only want to know, what a man finds out' 

Latest experiences -  [pasted over from another forum I use]


I had another OBE the other night, I found it a bit of a struggle and felt a really heavy pressure in my chest, I rolled off the corner of my bed and snapped out and when I looked across where my window is, there was a guy stood there, he came over to me, grabbed my hand, and took me outside onto our street, I kept asking him if he was asleep, if he knew what astral projection was, if he was dead and a few other questions.. I got replies too which where yes and no's but I cant remember what he said yes and no too. I remember his appearence and would instantly recognise him if I saw him again. He was a tallish chap with short brown hair. Once we where on our street, I for some reason decided to return and then when I got out again to find him there was someone else in my bedroom and he started punching me in my chest and didn't look happy at all which made me return and I was really freaked out by it. I think I need to start asking open ended questions next time.

Also... what is the difference between dreaming of projecting, and projecting from a lucid dream? I have many of these and have only just realised.. I've always ignores these OBE's and have just assumed that I've dreamt of projecting when in actual fact, I could be projecting from a lucid dream. The main difference is that once I project, I'll be somewhere unknown where as my usual OBE's are based round my bedroom and local area..

Last nights events.

I fell to sleep around 2am and found myself slipping in and out of normal dreams up until around 6am. I got up and went to the toilet and then from here up until around 10am I found myself in 2 main locations. The first time, I wasn't aware of actually projecting but suddenly found myself in total darkness and in that OBE state and I had all senses and I instantly smelt and tasted soil/earth. Straight away I thought 'I need to get out of here' but without waking up so I mentally thought 'forward' and off I went and still had this soil taste/smell and suddenly I popped out from the ground, looked around me and realised where I was. I was underground a few streets away from where I live. I thought I'd pop back in and see how far down I can go which is something I'd actually been meaning to try though I was a bit anxious about doing this in case I got stuck or something. I floated up to the road and gently pushed myself into the road and in I went and I kept thinking 'down' for around 5 seconds, I could feel the different textures that were whizzing past me and as I went further and further they became more and more dense at which point I came to a halt and found myself looking down on a big open space. It was pitch black and there where arrows lit up really brightly flashing in sequence every few seconds running down some sort of massive runway. I wasn't sure what to think and just observed these arrows. A few seconds later I decided to return and woke up.

This is similar to the one I had the other day but I managed to get more questions across this time and this guy was even more happier to respond. I was walking along the side of a big beach again and there where people stood in the water just chatting away. I looked up at the sky and there was a huge planet that kind of resembled earth and it covered most of the sky but only the upper half was in view and it was kind of misty/cloudy. I saw this old guy walking towards me and I said to him 'excuse me I don't suppose you mind me asking a couple of questions?' he said sure... 'I know this might seem really strange or maybe not but I'm actually asleep at the moment and I'm not sure if this is a dream, different dimension, planet or what..' he looked over at the sky and then I said 'is this another planet?' he said yes and came out with the planet name which wasn't anything I'm familiar with but was interesting planet Xeros or something of the like though I made that particular name up... I asked him if he had a name for his town/area and he also told me the name of this too which I forgot. He asked where I was from, I said Earth to which he replied 'is that old Earth or new Earth?' I was a bit confused and said I'm not sure. 'ah ok' he said.. I looked over at the sky and said 'do you know if there's much life out there?' 'there's plenty of life out there buddy, there always has been' I smiled at him and said 'I don't suppose you'd know how I could find my spirit guide do you?' he said 'sorry, I cant really help you on that one'. I then felt myself gradually wanting to 'wake' up and I said to him 'damn I can feel myself waking up, I'm gonna have to go and I woke up.

The realness at the time was just amazing and the amount of detail really baffles me. The problem I've found with asking questions is remembering the answers like I say. I can remember one or two and will myself back and remember the answers but the problem is, I don't want to really will myself back as I want to really make the most out of the experience. Seems doing both is going to require a fair bit of practice.

Last night I was lucid (not sure if out of body or what..) I was stood in front of this old looking guy and I felt I was just about to return to the physical when I stopped myself and shouted to this guy wait wait! I just want to ask you a few questions about astral projection.  Usually id get that evil look which would force me to return to the physical but instead he said 'what do you want to know?' I said 'am I actually out of my body right now?' he said 'lets just say, some people think you cant breathe in space but you can' and then he winked and I 'woke up'.  I was then layed there trying to interpret what he said but I guess it could mean anything or nothing.   

I made a post a while back about the patches and blankets of this electrical/static fuzzy energy (thats the best description I can think for it) thats up there in the sky in and around cloud level.  Well... last night I had the chance to explore this stuff more.  It was in big long twisted strands a lot lower than it usually is.  I was flying about whilst lucid and noticed big thick strands of it around 20 metres long just hanging in the air vibrating and decided to go check it out.  At the touch, it feels like a constant mild electric shock but as I moved my chest area into it, it seemed to get more and more intense and I kept having to pull back out.  The feeling is strange but every time I come up against the stuff, I get the same feeling run through me.  I also noticed that when I put my arm into it, my arm turned invisible.  I'm sure this stuff has more meaning to it.. what is this stuff? has no-one else had experience with this?   

What are scientists views on OBE's/astral related stuff..?

What's been proved/disproved..?

Do they think were all just a bunch of looneys and are just dreaming and wishful thinking or making it up..?

I've had a lot of OBE's but this is my best so far.

12th June 07
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Last night I had the best OBE ive ever had I kept astrally sitting up but never got fully out and was just intruiged with what was goin on. Finally I decided to go for it so I sat up and rolled out and was stood/floating at the end of my bed, I looked over at my printer and decided to try leaving a hand mark on it where the dust had settled so I placed my hand on it but couldnt quite make out whether or not it left any mark so I looked at my window and then my wall and decided to go for the window. I passed through it and floated over to the corner of our street. I wondered what I should do baring in mind it was dark, about 3 in the morning and nobody was in sight. I decided to try and make it to my friends parents who live about half a mile away. I used the method that Robert Monroe talked about in his book 'Journeys out of the body' where by you keep focosing your attention on your location and you basically go there and ive used this before and it definately works. I did this and straight away it felt like some sort of force was pushing me from behind and I gradually accelerated faster and faster and had to squint my eyes occasionally cos I passed through quite a lot of things, phone boxes and houses etc.. and then I suddenly came to a holt when I got to my friends parents house. I was stood in there back garden and didnt know what to do next. I looked at the house next door and looked at the top window and decided to go into there room for some reason so I floated up and passed through the window acquring the usual glassy taste/feeling and was in there bedroom, there was a man and a woman layed there asleep and I noticed that the wardrobe had a mirror on it so I decided to look into it. I floated over and raised my head and got quite a shock. It was me in my boxershorts, I was floating about half a foot off the floor and my eyes where white as if my eyes where rolled back. When I leaned my head forward they would look normal but when I looked directly into the mirror they where all white and it wasnt pleasent to look at to be honest. I headed back out the window and couldnt decide what to do next so I decided to return. Now..... rather than instantly waking up I travelled back the same way as I travvelled there. It took about 5 seconds to return to my body and when I got to my room, my astral body sort of spinned itself round and aligned itself without me doing anything, then it dropped into my physical and I woke up. I woke up and thought to myself 'wow!' I turned my light on and had to sit there for 5 minutes to just grasp what id just experienced.

I signed up a while ago but forgot to introduce myself so hi!  

Basically Ive had lucid dreams all my life and within the last year Ive started having conscious OBEs and my lucid dreams are becoming much more vivid than before.

Ive got a lucid dream and OBE journal that I keep on another forum if anyone fancies having a read.