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Just thought that I'd mention I had a very long LD come OBE last night.

I was there so long that I remember asking myslef if I'd like to stay there forever. The feeling was no. Although it is great to fly and explore the Astral world, I still had a longing for the physical, don't know if its unfinished business here or just the comfort of waking exsistence but the physical exsistence has not been trumpt for me yet.

I feel that there is still an element of being more swept along in the storyline of a Lucid Dream. Although I was in control of my conscious thoughts like I am now writing this... There was a series of events that I was involved in that I just subconsciously accepted but didn't consciously question the bizareness of them as I would if they happened in waking life.

I suppose we all have a storyline in our waking exsistence but conscious linear thought processes make it seem like we're more in control.

Which got me thinking... Maybe waking life is an escape from the Astral. Having rules and restrictions like the laws of physics and gravity within a motion of a moving universe creates time which encourages a linear thought process. We are MORE conscious than ever while awake in the physical, more in control of our thoughts and of our actions than we are when LD and even OBE'ing.

So rather than dreams being an escape from reality, we cant rule out the possibility that reality is an escape from dreams.     

I've had quite a few OBE's over the years but they don't seem to be getting easier to induce.

I thought that the longer I stuck at it the easier it would be to have them when I want but its not the case.

People like Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce give the impression that 'practice makes perfect' but it just doesn't in my case.

Are there any seasoned OBE'rs that have managed to fine tune their awareness over time and have them at will? or anyone in the same position as me?

I think a lot of energy has been put into a recent thread (suicide) and it seems to be getting a bit tasteless, especially when people can't be bothered to read long posts! Anyway if the guy wants to waste his life, that's his selfish choice, there are people in poverty and people with life threatening illnesses and disabilities that would love to be in his position, he's obviously too selfabsorbed and ungrateful for the spark of life he's been given!  So I have some questions for serious people about reincarnation and life after death.

Some of you guys say that we have been put here for a reason and if we don't accomplish a specific goal, our higher self has set out to achieve... we willl reincarnate again to see if we can be tested or learn from that experience. For example, someone said that our soul is like a jellifsh and on this earth we are one of its tenticles (yes I said tenticles!) with each tenticle being a part of the souls personality. But what would be the point of that? Does that mean all souls are born (at the time as the big bang) with equal, negative parts of their personality that they have to put right?

And also there's supposed to be no sence of time and space in the non physical world so does that mean that someone that died in 2006 could be reincarnated into the 15th century or born in 1846 or whenever... Or could someone that dies now be reincarnated into the year 4000? If so, why do you never hear about future life regression?

The whole time and space thing is very hard to get my head around... If there is no sence of time, the soul can experience all it wants immediatly, so at the same time that it's born, it would have experinced everything that is needed to be completely fullfilled and be at one with the universe (If that's the aim). Even if some souls have to reincarnate aspects of their personality (their tenticles) more times than other souls, the souls will all reach the same stage eventually and will have all been able to reincarnate their tenticles as many times as needed in order to complete their goal. If this is the case... a cold blooded murderer or a peodaphile will be reincarnated as many times as it takes to learn from their experience and evetually reach the personality of... i don't know... a nun. But it doesn't really mattter how many times the soul has to reincarnate itself to reach that personality because their is no sence of time in the spirtual world so it will already be at the same stage of evolution as a nun (Or anyother stereotypical "good" person). Again what's the point?

So what I'm trying to say is... if reincarnation is a fact and there is no sence of time in the spirtual world, we will all go to heaven or be at one with the universe or go to a higher place or whatever you believe is the final chapter. Everyones soul should should be there because there will be no count down to judgement (as there is no time).  The soul would have reincarnated it's tenticles as many times as is needed to put right anything that it hasn't learned from...

Sorry If my post was a bit confusing, but I'd really like to hear what people that believe in reincarnation have to say about the points I've raised... Any response is much appreciated...       

Hi,

I've been trying to induce oobe's for about three months now and I think I'm getting close. I haven't been able to wake myself up in a dream it's just too damn hard! Although I did get to a point where I kind of new I was dreaming but found it difficult to control. But I have been trying to induce them through meditation or deep relaxation and I didn't know whether to carry on or not...

About a week ago I did my daily try and leave my body trance (normally ends up in me nodding off) After about half an hour of not moving my body and watching the images and colours flash by etc... I began to feel what I think could have been energy numbing in the midle of my head (behind my nose, above my throat) It felt quite nice actually so I just went with it. I then continued to tell myself and try and feel myself leaving my body (which I was doing for the past half hour) when this surge of noise and light suddenly hit my awareness. The light was bright and the noise was a high pitched buzzing. Like many people, I've fainted say two, maybe three times in my life so nothing abnormal (I dont think?) and it felt exactly like I was about to pass out only the expereince was a much intense sensation...

As the feeling got louder and brighter (my brain also felt like it was fizzing), fear kicked in as I was convinced I was going to pass out, then for some reason I thought I would die. I've read and understood all about fear and I'm ticked that I let it get to me but it was just such a unpleasent sensation, I truly thought I was a gonner!

I moved my body and sort of broke out of the trance... Should I have just gone with it? If so what would have happened next?