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Here's a new one...  NOT! I have been experiencing spontanous projections many times before and Im getting quite familiar with how these experienses go about. But now I want to go to the next level and try to have real conscious AP's.

I do fine until I reach the exit-reflex state. To get there I use "The Brain" method. When Im there I feel the usual vibrations, fast pounding heart, trobing eye chakra, and the likes. I feel its like my astral body is loosening, but it just stays there even though I try to imagine my self floating out. It wont budge. All hell is running loose in my body, still nothing happens! Any ideas? To draw an analogy, its like the "engine" is running, but I just cant get it in gear!

If you have an ingenious answer to this question please feel free to enlighten me.

...or just a sensational answer would be fine, too...[B)]

i think god is whomever and whatever you want it to be.It really doesn't matter. So Jews,Christians,Muslims,and any other religions you can think believe in the god they want to.We won't know until we die and im looking forward to that.Shouldn't we all.

This naturally tendency to "project" ones double is called the projection reflex....we all project almost every night and sometimes, for whatever reason, we "wake" up even if it's not consciously desired.

fides quaerens intellectum

(keep in mind until yesterday I'm not aware of any lucid dreams or OBEs though I have had close times with both it seems)
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Coming out of a dream that felt very important, felt like I was learning a lot.  I suddenly found myself aware of myself but I was no longer in the dream.  I was lying on my back and there is nothing anywhere, ie I don't see anything at all.  I become vaguely aware that my physical body is lying on it's back?  But I don't see anything or hear anything.  

But I feel, I feel extremely energetic?  Not so much vibratory, I've felt vibrations during meditation and trance states that begin and get stronger but there is a definite pulse to them (or there has been in the past) like there is time between the vibrations.  What I felt here seemed constant but exponentially more powerful than what I had felt in the past.  So I really feel like I am energy, or like I was plugged into something and I am radiating energy, so strong that I can barely handle it.  It's very pleasant but sooo powerful of sensations.   Like I was exploding in a sense, or radiating REALLY powerfully.

So at this point (this all happens rather simultaneously) I am also aware that I am body conscious, and I am very awake and stimulated, very focused?  So I think to raise or increase this state and instantly I feel a powerful expansion, I don't know how else to describe it.  Like I could feel beyond just my previous body, the sensations were very similar but larger and less defined, less noticeable contours – like before I could kind of feel the shape of my body with the energy and now I couldn't in the same way, but I still felt like I was there.  I was aware of a feeling of a rather infinite space around me.  

So I remember to kind of think or imagine away from the body, so I tried three thoughts.  The first was of a ceiling, and this had no effect that I was aware of.  The second I tried to imagine a place away from here but I couldn't really materialize it.  The third I thought just "UP" and whoosh!  Up I went!  It was incredible, the energy become overwhelmingly powerful and I felt kind of like a reverse roller coaster?  Does that make sense?  I felt like I was falling upwards at an incredible pace, like I could feel the momentum.  This process was so powerful that it caused me to scream in my mind and this resulted, I think, in the visualization of a face screaming.  

Now this face, which I think was my own, was not like my normal face, it was like the space that my face creates when it is pressed into a thin sparkling sheet.  Like it was pulled across my face, and it was colorful I think?  And kind of stretched at the ends like it didn't actually go all the way around my head but just sort of became a planar flat shape.

So seeing this face and all I was very startled, and the falling upward stopped and I was just floating.  Now I don't know how else to describe this floating sensation because it was not like floating in a pool, or even the floating you feel when you are in a deep trance state but still aware of your body (that's kind of what I had felt before).  This floating was like an absolute floating?  Absolutely effortless and weightless?  And at this point I didn't seem to be body aware, that is I had no body at all?  I don't know.  I still had a strong sensation but it was not really localized.  And still I am in what feels like an infinite space with nothing visible but my face that appeared but wasn't really looking at me, like I  experienced this and then saw it from the outside?  

So I get scared during this process of flying upward and seeing this face screaming and me screaming in my mind and all and the indescribably powerful sensations that accompanied this...and I realize I'm scared/excited/overwhelmed/in awe and I try to calm myself down but in doing so I am suddenly back and body conscious again – this energy feeling, like radiating vibrating is still really strong in me (not as strong as when I'm flying upward) and I decide that I want to remember or need to remember this, although I think I tried to raise up again.  I sort of lost my focus when I tried to calm myself down.  Anyhow I opened my physical eyes at some point and was completely awake and still feeling really strong sensations, which after a few minutes faded into deep tingling and then I decided to try and move and with a little effort I was able to move my hand then arm and I was kind of in shock – excitement.  So does anyone have an explanation?  

When I shot upwards I really really felt like I was somewhere else, and when I was floating I felt like I was really floating.  Infact I think I tried to kind of tilt downwards to test and see if I could feel the bed and I couldn't – I'm not sure.  But I was extremely stimulated and extremely vivid / awake.  Enough that I could think of raising my energetic state and moving upwards but not enough to realize where I was or where my body was.  

So this whole event must have lasted only 15 seconds?  I don't know it seemed longer but short at the same time, I don't know how to explain.  I would appreciate any insights, comments, feedback, tips, etc from people that have experienced these OBE's so I can sort of cross reference my experience.  Thanks!

Sorry for the length.  I cut out the dream part but I really had to have all of this I think.

So, in direct reference to what you haev mentioined:

"I could feel my body was a little sluggish and shaky"
"...and when I woke up I felt strong vibrations."

I felt this way afterwards too.   I was awake with my eyes open and closing with still very powerful energetic sensations.  But I never really saw anything in this experience other than what I think is my face?

-dave

not that i'm any authority! but I think the problem with the akashik records is that peoples ideas of it seem to vary. Its of course possible that you were at the akashik records. But on the other hand what are the akashik records? are they just a method by which your mind can better portray information to you? or are they they visual manifestation of some giant collective conciousness?

                           Lysear

p.s England for the Ashes!!!!!

Robert Bruce talks about this exact thing in AD.

I think the physical affects us while we're projecting from time to time. Sometimes I will feel branches brush against my skin if I'm flying around too close to trees, but by the same token, I'll float through walls as if there's nothing there. I think maybe it's the expectations of your mind manifesting themselves.

Meg

"...listening like the orange tree..."  - John Shaw Neilson

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All the time...except I mostly experience this as a blackness as opposed to a grayness.  It's extremely important that when you're in this void, that you remain calm.

I still have trouble most of the time when I find myself flailing around in this void, but if I remain calm and image myself grabbing onto something...anything....then I get my bearings back and my vision slowly kicks in.


Keep smiling,

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