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So I think I have found out the main key to projecting;

You have to be in a relaxed enough state to the point where your body is too numb or heavy so you are not feeling it. Usually though it can take some dicapline keeping still for upto 50 minutes while relaxing or perhaps less. But I have found this to be a sure method and when you are in this state you will start to see signs that the exit is approaching like weird noises etc then eventually the vibrations will happen then the exit.

But the main way of progressing to astral project is simply: keep the body still to the point where you don't feel it.

Anyone else agree? I have read a lot of techniques and stuff over the years but have found this to be the simplest and least confusing way.

Can anyone astral project? I mean say if you had 10 people all ih the right frame of mind to project and ready to project could some of those 10 people just not end up projecting no matter what?

Also what is the most useful ability to have to aid in projecting?

I am hoping only to hear from experienced projecters also. Thx.

 I lost my virginity when I was 18 and it was the most amazing thing that happened to me with the girl I loved back then. Since then I have found sex not to be anywhere near as great as it was that 1 time.

If you entered the astral/etheral is there anyway you can "re-live" or revisit perhaps enter a sexual experience like this which was powerful and dear to you? perhaps if possible you could go back in time and relive it as it was I mean anything is possible right?

Anyone tried it?

I have stumbled across ASMR (Autonomous sensory meridian response) vids on utube. These are becoming pretty popular. It seems to work for the majority including myself they do seem to cause very relaxed and zoned out states and I was thinking maybe the states of relaxation these seem to cause might become useful states to attempt to project from. What do you guys think? has anyone tried?

For those experienced in projection: what is the maximum time you have been able to keep yourself in an OBE? perhaps by fighting the will to return to your physical body also.

For all those trying to phase.....how do you know when you have accomplished this? what is the sure sign for you? how does your consciousness or field of vision,feeling etc change?

Can you open your eyes when you attempt to OBE? does this work? anyone do it this way? ty.

I been looking around trying to see if any paranormal research institutes or organisations have been researching the OBE phenomena at all but not found a lot. Does anyone know if there are any current research projects taking place by anyone? perhaps by some sort of univercity or something. I am always interested in their findings when people try this. ty.

Does anyone know where I can get one that focuses on initiating the vibrations? or the sleep paralysis? (not from brainwave gen pls)
Anyone know any pls? thx.

K I just got done messaging someone from the IAC (international academy of consciousness) who explained (not fully) a method of shifting energy up and down your body to eventually project. Would this be simply referring to chi? I am trying to find out more about what this person has explained but can't find a lot. Does anyone here know what this person could be referring to exactly?

This is what the person said when I was asking about it and said I was skeptical:

"You will know that it is real because you now the difference between imagination and real life. Being skeptical and having a critical awareness is fundamental to recognize a real OBE experience, so you are in your way! If you want to check by yourself if what you feel is real you will have to test yourself. First by knowing you better. Start by checking and recognizing what you normally feel being normal, then try the tecnique and check what you feel and see if its different."

I really am not sure whether or not to believe any of this hidden energy like chi claims as it seems it cannot be measured and is not proven which has always kept me away from any techniques claiming to project by using some type of "energy".

So what you guys think?

K so we all know one of the best ways to make your body feel numb and dissociated from the rest of you is to simply lay dead still for 45 mins or longer to help get to the right state to use a technique to project but I am still trying to lay still but not had much luck so far due to interfearances.

Is there any other method which could aid in making the body numb and feel dissociated from your mind which one could use? how do some of you do it? pls only answer on this and not the topic of what the best state is of trying to seperate is or other stuff.

So if your feeling your body going numb and "not there" then its good so I been looking around to try and see methods of whats best when you try not feeling your body to lead up to an OBE.

What is the 1 way which is considered best for not feeling your body I mean for physical body "dissociation?" I am guessing its just the simple laying dead still and relaxing deeply.

So what do you people think is the best method for this pls.

Pls answer if your experienced.

K this is killing me! while I can relax for long enough and trance out for long enough there is still something bugging me in my mind which I think hinders my progress. The problem is this:

I don't know when to actually attempt to project. I will often zone out and totally detach from whats going on and lose myself imagining a peaceful scene and such sometimes using binarual beats but I will often be so "lost" I would have missed the opportunity to project for the simple reason I am not thinking and not aware to try and OBE because I am so detached so by the time I have finished the session I would have not projected. So commonly when your relaxed and feel detached enough when is the time that you know if you attempt to project you will? what is the common sign pls from a trance or half sleepy half awake type state. And pls don't say something like "relax and you'll know when" I am looking for distinctive que's for knowing your ready for the exit out stage. otherwise I thinki its hopeless for me.

thx.

So I been going over many peoples OBE experiences here and elsewhere but even the most experienced projectors seem to have very short OBE's. Why is this? is there a reason people seem to only be able to be outside their physical body an average of 10 to 20 minutes? whats your longest time out? and how long did it actually feel like had passed also.

So for those who project from lucid dreams pls lets talk about the transaction in consciousness from once you are in the dream then the transaction into the astral. Many say lucid dreaming IS astral projection but I think many who know how to OBE properly would say that OBE's are way more intense and real than a lucid dream and while lucid dreams have some degree of clarity you are still not in control like an OBE which I would have to conclude based on my research on seeing the general differences between standard lucid dreams and an OBE.

So for all those lucid dreamers .....what does the transaction feel like? do you suddenly just become a whole lot more clearer from your dream consciousness? pls tell.

This one for people who are experienced with phasing.......so when your attempting to phase do you people find the best time to try is when you are drifting to sleep or meditating or relaxing? please say what is the most effective state to try and phase from and why. Thx.

K so I been talking to a man my father knows who I did not actually know was interested in OBE's until now but he seems experienced in techniques. The 1 thing he told me is the only thing that matters with a technique is as long as you FEEL like your body's behind you and your no longer in it then attempting any technique will work.

So is this true? is every technique simply a matter of "not feeling your physical body anymore" to exit?

With Phasing I don't seem to have much luck with it. I have been very relaxed and found my body mellow as well as my senses while I am looking into the darkness of my closed eyes but NOTHING in the darkness I am gazing into seems to take shape or form. Ideally I am looking to visualize a setting of a waterfall location in the darkness I am gazing into which I hope I can phase into directly also while listening so a water rushing binarual beats sounds which I feel may help when trying to imagine then eventually see and enter a waterfall setting but usually after about 40 mins I give up.

So any phasers out there.....how do YOU do it please. What technique exactly to you do and how long roughly does it take you? do youfind yourself staring into the darkness of closed eyes for hours before anything comes which you can enter after the body feels distant? also do you always image the image you want to go into while looking into darkness. Thx.

K I am need for some assistance from ONLY anyone experienced in using binarual beats (or isochronic tones) to initiate OBE state.

I want to talk to someone who uses them to reach their desired state to OBE from. PLEASE if you are experienced with these answer me here or private message me. This is important for me. Thanks.

and start to feel like you are going to move away from your physical body? please don't reply with things like "it varies" or "it depends on..." I am just trying to get VERY average times in my mind in general from lots of people in general.

So please how long does it take YOU (and list your technique pls)

I've read techniques and am looking for another to try but I am confused at the workings of many which often describe focusing inwards or outwards. Which is best to do? with focusing inwards I don't think makes sense to me as the whole point of an OBE technique is to go outside of yourself but saying relaxing and to look inside yourself makes no sense to me if you want to "go out" yourself as to project you should forget about your physical body.

So if you want to project successfully should you really be looking to think of yourself outside of your body or focusing inwards yourself?

How does this technique work? someone else mentioned it in another post so I am wondering how it works and how does it help you eventually project? also most important: how do you get your ears ringing in the first place to start trying to project?

Those who use this technique pls fill me in on why and how it works please and how you can get started hearing the ringing for yourself to eventually get into the astral.

thx all.

K I have been prone to random bouts of depression all my life (don't worry I not going to ramble on about myself and why) I find when I am in this "darkness" my mind "gives up" in a sense and I become very withdrawn as well as mellow/slow/quiet and my mind is just in lockdown and in a state where I don't even try and think of solutions to problems in life because I feel so bad.

Would this actually be a good time to project? lol! I may seem extreme but I think to myself when this state of mind next comes to me I can at least try and get some use out of it as I find my mind is more mellow as I just don't give a s**t about my life and whats going on around me etc. Maybe chucking on some headphones and laying back on my bed and listening to Gateway binaural beats to project
might work better when your mellowed out like this even if it is negative, you are still mellowed out.

For everybody here I am sure many agree that when you are sad or down in life with that feeling of "losing hope" your mind is more toned down and mellowed out like its temporarily "locking down" everything. Could this hold potential do you guys think for an OBE attempt? this mindset? I feel it could be valuable when normally you have a lot going on in your life with lots of things whirling around in your head which you have to do that day or next week etc but to fall into sadness often makes your mind "reset" some from your life and everything going on it.

Please give me your honest thoughts on this maybe someone here already has already taken advantage of the mindset of some sadness in their life to project. And also pls bear in mind people that if this state of mind IS useful for trying to project.....please don't upset yourself deliberately to help with your astral quest LOL!

K I been trying the technique with repeating "mind awake body asleep" when going to beddybyes. Thing is if I am tired I just wont be able to last long doing this as I seem to find it to much of an effort to keep consciousness in the mind enough to keep repeating those words as I am dozing in fact it might actually be prohibiting me sleeping.

Has any other peeps here tried this technique? tell of experiences or progress here pls.

Is there another way perhaps which you can keep reminding the brain to stay aware some as the body drifts off to sleepyland? I think this technique holds a lot of potential its just certainly not one of easiest ones at least not for me.

K I am sitting here and got sleepy then was half asleep then all of a sudden I entered the astral. What would be the general feeling or experience? how much would my consciousness change in general? would I feel temperature drops or?

I trying to find out more on what exactly changes once you make that transition from the physical world to the RTZ or astral.

K I can't seem to find that thread that was a sticky topic on peoples reports on validations.

Anyway has anyone here been able to do any recently? anything worth mentioning?

Is there 1 specific chi technique that can help you raise energy which could let you project? what would it be? I have seen a lot on chi techniques for various things but never specifically for helping get an OBE. Let me hear any specific techniques on chi for projection here pls.

Was there ever anything done on this? its my understanding that science seems to be a lot more open minded these days over paranormal things but was any research ever done on what the actual astral planes are? I been told that some scientists think the astral may be another dimension.

Can anyone point me in the direction of any scientific research on discovering what the astral plane is scientifically? I am trying to look for proper research done on this by maybe a reputed univercity or something if there is any. Anyone know any keywords for me to type in on this or forums to go to? thankyou.

Alrightyyyy so we know that an OBE can be used for possible long term spiritual and character growth and other reasons such as mental healing etc. What I want to know now is can OBE's be used practically for perhaps solving a complicated maths problem from your higher self or spirit guides or maybe you could use an OBE if you lose something to travel back in time to observe where you placed the object before you lost it.

So.....OBE's. can be used practically or not? anyone done so?

K so when you exit your physical into the RTZ from a location familiar to you such as your bedroom on your bed, you are more likely to reconise and verify things that are really in your bedroom when your in RTZ. But when your in the RTZ of an unfamiliar area like your friends bedroom for example then how does the RTZ come across? do you find you see less that you verify after the OBE?

I am trying to see if the mind plays a part in how your expectations of the RTZ are seen because of the location and its familiarity on the brain like if you OBE and enter into RTZ then would the perimeter around your friends house for example, be different to what it really is for the simple reason you are not familiar with it? (lets just assume you are staying over a friend of a friends house because of complications of not being able to get home from a party or something and you OBE randomly that night)


Pls people with experience here answer thx.

Just a Q about what vibrations may really be: You know many think the pre-obe vibrations are spiritual in nature but I was thinking if maybe the vibrations are merely to do with the body trying to somehow circulate blood better or something? your views pls.

Is it best to try and project when your sleepy or very awake?

I was thinking as some people seem to try their obe techniques after they wake up, could this work as far as phasing is concerned? how could you do that would you just try the process after your eyes are open then close them again to try it or?

Can you get the vibrations sitting down when trying to exit your physical body rather than laying down? ty.

K so I kind of got frustrated trying to raise energy as it was hard for me to visualise and imagine (I will try another time) so I thought I would just lay back and relax and listen to a binaural thunderstorm sound on my headphones on my IPOD which I find relaxing. I did it with no real technique other than 1 thing which was to keep still for as long as I could so that way maybe I could enter paralysis if I became relaxed enough.

I think I did make some progress. For about 35/40 minutes I lay there still as possible and did my best to not think of anything and only concentrate on the sounds of the binaural beats. I found myself a little more "engrossed and relaxed" as time went on and my physical body did not feel as "there" as it did before I started relaxing it was like I could not feel it as much its like it felt like a huge blob or something. Anyway then someone from my family came in my room and ruined it  and that was that.

Is this a technique what I described? you guys familiar with the symptoms that I described? (the blob) pls give feedback.

I got another quick Q on the side: will quickly moving or twitching facial muscles break your keeping still progress when you and looking to not move for the longest time possible?

What is the best way to tap into your subconscious to astral project? I feel the reason lots do not project is because of their deep down natural fear and reluctance to really do it, so if you could drum into your subconscious mind to project then I guess it would be considered easier to do and your psyche in your mind would "allow it". I guess its like when you try and do it with hypnosis to try and stop smoking addiction, if you drum it into your subconscious long and hard enough, it will eventually happen that you'll quit smoking and override the addiction.

Any you guys got any idea's here? what's the best way you think it could work? (preferbly outside hypnosis)

I have read about something the IAC (international academy of consciousness) is doing which is a dome which causes you to project. How do you folks suppose something like this works? I can't really find a lot of info on it. Here's a brief vid on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YWL5k_CK5Y

In order to phase you need something to "phase into" but am trying to pre-select a location in my mind to think about to try end up projecting into. I have also thought maybe it would be easier if I tried to imagine me in the same room and perhaps seeing myself laying there.

You guys think there's a best environment to phase into in your mind? pls give an example maybe of somewhere you have phased into from imagination and were able to stay conscious in. Thx.

So could Self-Hypnosis be used as a tool to help get to the right mind state to project from? what is your ideas on using this. I have been considering this for a time.

I trying to phase and am a little boggled at how you are supposed to do it correctly. So are you supposed to just imagine something to phase into, then picture that in the darkness behind your closed eyes to eventually enter into or is this wrong? do you try picture it in your mind and it shows in the darkness then you can eventually make the transition? pls someone experienced tell me the very basic fundamentals of how to phase and pls don't just give me a link, could you give me a basic brief step by step guide on how to do this. Also if you could, please could you give a brief example of a good sure phasing OBE experience.

I just want to make sure the way I am trying to do it is right and what to expect. I have been told different things by people who I talked to in person about this subject and so many say different things.