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 I wanted to post this message after a few days of watching videos on Youtube. My own belief is in spirituality, but haven't any of you thought that it may be Satan who's giving you these experiences?
This is really starting to concern me, and I'd really like to see what you lot thought. The reason why I brought this up is mainly because of the RFID chip which are being used, and could be classed as the mark of the beast.
May be I'm thinking to much into it, and religious points of view are getting to me, and I don't want to end up in a shallow heaven / hell.

 I used my rollout technique in the morning, just after going to toilet. I was in RTZ which I don't really like so jumped through the wall. I felt movement, but while moving I was going through black water, with the brown bubble, which I've experienced before.  I've seen this quite a few times now, and I'm at a lose why I see black water and not just a black void. I've also stop moving and was looking down, with my "nose" about 2 inches from the surface, and it was casting ripples. Could it be because my favorite element is water?
Any ideas?

 I was reading Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics, and he mentioned Lucid dreams tend to be more real that Astral Projections. This confused me a bit, as now I think that my Astral projections are just lucid dreams. I've ended up in Etheric, but try to get into Astra asap, but it seems that Robert Bruce believes that this is just a projection into a dream.
Though other books I've read say that projections into Astral tends to be more real than real life, but are these just Lucid dreams?
What are your thoughts on this matter?

 There's been a few times now where I've ended up in etheric (I think), and I seem to be under water. It's black water with lots of bubbles!? I am at a lose to explain what or where I am.
Has any one else experienced this, or may be could explain it please.

Is porn destructive for spiritual growth?
I've been wondering this for a while, and I just wanted to hear peoples points of view.

 I projected this morning. I don't have vibrating, or loud jet sound. (I did a few years ago). Only a quiet drowning sound, like and engine. I struggled to get out, but when I did I just kept floating down. I vision was black for about 30 seconds, but then I could see my hands and forarms. This is the freaky bit, they were in black shadow form with black smoke coming off them. I also had claws. (This is the second time I've been in this form). I seen something move in front of me, it also had the same features but with a hood. (like half Reaper, floating). It took 2 swipes at me, as I laughed at it, and showed it the Vs. Not panicing at seeing something like this isn't easy, but when I snapped back to body, I felt the tingling feeling you get from projecting. I've seen these black shadow form creatures a few time, of different shapes and sizes, and now I'm convinced that I'm creating them. My demons if you will.
I've also had nice experiences. I went through my bedroom wall and ended up on a bank of a river in a jungle. (After version being clouded). I could hear the birds singing and felt the cold, from drops of water from the branch I shook. This continues, but I'll stop there.
Your thoughts?

 Ever time I've projected I never feel any vibrations. I was dreaming I was in school and got annoyed at a teacher, and stormed off. People where getting in my way and I said some thing scary. Any way I became lucid at this point and started to wake up. I had sleep paralysis and a blood really loud WW2 siren going off. I also heard a mans voice cursing me (couldn't see any thing but I wasn't going to hang around) so I flew straight up. The WW2 siren faded, but I still couldn't see. Just grey but, I would see a glitch of sight here and there.
So A:- why don't I feel vibration when I ain't that experienced, and B:- why was my sight grey or patchy?

P.s  I know the WW2 siren is astral wild life and Robert Bruce puts it.

 I was attacked once again in etheric. A frekin shadow shaped like a dog attacked me while I rolled out of my body. I was stuck to the floor and couldn't move. I snapped back to body a little shaken up. I waited for about 10 minutes then roll out again. And once again it was there, I then proceeded using lightning bolts at it, which seemed to shake it a little. I was then snapped back to body. I then roll out once again but this time it was slopped on floor. I remember running towards it shouting "puppy". It ran off saying "Beware"?
I thought I'd share this experience. Thanks for reading.

 This is a question that's been bugging me for ages. I've read it in many books but, (may be it's a stupid question) why is it not a good idea to AP while suffering from mental illness?
I'm not sure if I want to know, I've been suffering from it as long as I could remember. The only thing I can think of is, meeting a demon and make condition worse. I've had a few things attack me, but nothing to put me off doing it, and APing gives me hope.
I'd like to hear your views, thanks.

I just want to clarify, when some body etheric projects, is it normal to see really unusual things? I've etheric projected a few time and I kept see strange things. This morning it happened, and my walls where covered in "Batman" wallpaper? (I'm 29). I managed to get out side and there was a huge group of people rioting?
What is this all about?

I've been trying to do conscious projection now for weeks. (I will say I do it before going to bed cause it's the only time I can relax).
I've been doing it with binary beats and with out and I can get to stage 10 ish. I've gone deep and went to sleep and came back out of it, but at no time did I hear any sounds or any vibrations.
Do the vibration and sounds happen deeper then sleep state? I really need advice on this.

Thanks for reading.

 I've recentaly been listening to the Gateway tapes. I can focus my mind much better these days, but I have a serious problem with my legs. They a constantly twiching and  tightning on there own(this has been going on for months).  Some times it's the left one and some times is the right, and some times it's both. I think this make it imposible to relax. I try (throught a lucid dream) to...whats the word..charge chackra energy through my hands and legs (which I felt), and the very next morning my legs went nuts, twiching and vibration on there own.
I thought it might be ekboms, the docter found nothing wrong with my blood. Could I have damaged chackras?

Thanks for your input.

I recentaly bought and finished a book by Belzebuub, (I should of considered the name) I found it very intresting and helpful for learning to AP. I was using the conjurations he metioned and thought nothing of it. I recentaly went on to the internet and found out the conjurations where connected to the cult.
Every thing I know about the cult is bad. I just wanted to know what peoples veiws are on it, and if I should stop reading books from him?

I only want to follow in the light, not end up in the dark.

 I've being trying APing for a few years now, off and on. I've tryed projecting throught lucid dreaming, as I find it hard to quiet my mind, or try to induce a trance state. I projected through a lucid dream "I think" last night and ended up in a dark, gloomy, depressing version of where I live, just blacks and whites. (This has happened 5 times now). Not a nice place, I didn't feel any vibrations or sounds.
Is this the lower planes? and if so, how can I increase my vibrations? I'm really fed up of ending up in this place.  I was attack in one projection, (if it was that, I hope it was just a vivid lucid dream).
Thanks for reading.

 I'm new to this forum, and did try to look for the right subject page. I had and OBE once when I was 14ish and thought that I was the only person who had ever had this. I never knew what it was untill many years later in my 20s, after reading books on the subject. I think I went to what Robert Bruce calls the "Buddhic Dimension". Ofc it was very beautful, and I didn't want to come back, but was brought back anyway. I've suffered with depression for many years, (wasn't because of the OBE) and I thought that by learning APing that I would be able to turn my life around some how. All I've had so far are very vivid lucid dreams, and 1 or 2 vibrations, I've been trying for years.
Should I even be attemting this?

Thanks for taking the time to read this.