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Hi I read a bit about your obe experiences and the way you who practice this commonly agree the world to be. I am a christian and very content on my beliefs as they answer my needs and desires and give me direction for my life. But I have a question about what your general belief as a community is about your astral experiences and life in general.

It seems to me the general concensus of this community is what ever your beliefs and experiences are create your world through your subconscious imagination. So my question is when you are having an OBE through an astral experience is that experience you are having a real authentic place with real being and places you constructed through your sub conscience. Or is that place you are traveling to just imaginary as a result of your subconscious mind? And if so as a community what is real and what is not real to you in body and out? Or is life relatively a purely post modern experience in general with no absolutes at all? Just wondering what this community believes their experiences and life to actually be. Real or subconscious imaginations?

Hey guys. Im new here this is my first post. Just have a something I wanted to talk about and these boards seem to be the apropriate place to do it.

Well about my self and situation. I am an American I am currently in the Philippines living with my girlfriend. Have been here for 6 months. Well my topic is a phenomenon that has taken place in south east asia for a while aparently. When I first heard of it I thought it was hog wash and impossible. But when I had a boarder line experience of it then my girlfriend had a terrible experience I did research and and found out its very real. She kept telling me people can get attacked in there sleep by demons and die. Of course you all are thinking no of course not just like I did. Tell I looked up SUNDS and found out its a very real phenomenon. Where 1 our of 200 filipinos die as a cause of this. I did not look it up tell I had an experience and my girlfriend had an experience the following night.

(I would put this in the dreams catagory but the nature of our experiences was more astral projection in nature. Although Ive never purposefully attempted astral. The experiences them selves closely resemble it.)

So my experience. Well I was laying in bed on my back and i was just between falling asleep and still awake. I felt my self lift up outta bed and i walked to the bathroom (This either being my dream or or astral i do not know) But it was all so clear and real. I was in my house and everything was the same. I walked to the bathroom and inside the bathroom was a 7-8 foot tall grim reaper with his arms stretched a hooded mask with a greyish face and silver hands and feet. I looked at it then basically went back to where I was laying. It then shot like lightening from the bathroom over top of me and grabbed me by my neck. I am a christian so I told it to go off of me in jesus name in my dream while it was chokeing me. It disapeered and I immediately woke up. I prayed and went back to sleep feeling attacked but safe due to prayer. The end


Now I was definatelly physically attacked in some way but not enough to care to do research or feel threatened so i didnt even share my story with my girlfriend. But my girlfriend had an experience the following night changed that.

We were talking she was laying in bed and i was on the computer. She then dozed off. It was only a few seconds when I had a chill go through my body then 2 minutes after she had fallen asleep she started screaming loudly screams of real authentic terror while still asleep Of course it scared the lights out of me and i shook her for awhile until she woke. She didnt wake easy but when she did I asked what happened. She said it was bungawut (dont think i spelled it right) but in their language its basically a phenemon where ur attacked by a demon and can die. I looked it up and found out its actually quite a common unexplainable experience in the philippines.

Her experience was this. She had the same as me just befor falling asleep she stood up out from her body. Saw me on the computer and everything as it was. She then walked into the living room and a large black dog with red eyes was on the sofa it growled at hurt then jumped and bit her right on the throat and held its lock. Thats when i woke her up.

She told me she had this experience before when she was young alot and her mom would sleep with her just to wake her up if ever she was having it.

Well I mean that is it. Then I looked it up and found out the that YES people do actually die from this experience. But of course they cant share their experience because they died so weather our experiences are authentic is up for debate.  But folk tradition here says the experiences happen in this way.

Just wanted to say this. And weather you do believe in demons that they are real entities or imaginations. It seems teachers of astral say they cant hurt you. But at least in south east asia.... ummm yes they actually really can. Of course thats up for debate in this discussion as well. I just wanted to bring this phenomenon to this board and see everyones opinions or ideas? That's all.