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For several years I've been yearning to visit the astral plane, or at least be given something tangible to prove this entire concept is real, like for instance a lucid dream, or something, anything.

On and off I've been trying to follow various techniques, but nothing has worked. Might be I don't have the ability, but more likely it's just a lack of long time persistence. Working the kind of physical job I do means you get thrown off the ball all the time and when at last you get home, you're mostly too tired to get anything done. Then of course there is people, family and all the rest that's in constant control of your life.

So here's a straight question: Does Ayahuasca work as a trigger to OBE's? After all, Ayahuasca contains DMT, and DMT is also produced by your pineal gland, supposedly acting as your "third eye", or consciousness portal to the beyond.

Now, the more I've studied Ayahuasca on YT, the more I get the feeing it's just another hallucinogenic drug, albeit very powerful. In other words, when people go on a Ayahuasca trip, they seem essentially to surf around inside their own confused subconsciousness, so it's not that I think just taking the substance would make you have a full blown astral experience. But if you have done Ayahuasca before will it assist in achieving astral experiences later, like blowing open the doors of perception? Or maybe it will do just the opposite, closing your mind to the beyond through its substance pollution?

Please reply. I'm desperate. For five years not a single day has gone by without me thinking about the astral!

The attempts at finally achieving an OBE goes on! 

Whenever I'm trying to meditate, this happens to me.

(I call trying to get out of body "meditation", since I never seem to remember the specific exit techniques anyway. So better just go along what feels right and improvise, I believe.)

I seem to reach a state when I get kind of disoriented, almost as in losing balance. Triumphantly I imagine this means I'm getting close to an exit, but as soon as I reach this state, the body responds by tightening every muscle it can find, like it blocks me from going any further.

Would you say I'm getting close to an exit when this happens or am I just imagining things and still only in a wimpy shallow trance, far from actually reaching an OBE?

If the former, is there anything you can do not to get your body to react in this way?

Sorry I might be going on about this theme, but I have to ask, is this how it is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNcHV3ZGOl4

From deduction I call bollocks on this. By consequence, what the guy is essentially saying is that you cannot touch anything in the Astral because you no longer have the appropriate nerve endings when Out of Body or in the Afterlife. In fact, you cannot see, hear, taste food or in anyway experience the Astral at all, cause you wouldn't have the nerve endings for that either.

What I'm saying is there is no reason to single out just the nerve endings that register sexual sensations, i.e. the Bulboid corpuscles, on various specific parts on our body.

The very definition of OBE/NDE would on the contrary include sense awareness without the need of physical organs.

Am I right or am I wrong?

Has anyone thought about this?

Provided every OBE environment is not unique and subjective to the person experiencing it, it ought in principle to be possible to catalogue the 'worlds' in question and perhaps even their possible relation to one another.

So we know there is a 'physical double' world closest to us. This is where most people who manage to have an OBE apparently go most of the time, at least until they are able to 'raise their vibration' high enough to visit more distant dimensions.

Further out from the immediate physical double there are additional 'Earth' similar environments, gradually losing similarity to the physical plane, and beyond these the wish fulfillment planes or paradise environments. In the 'opposite direction' from the physical there are of course the lower planes of bleakness and suffering.

"Sideways", there are apparently environments not modeled on our material universe, but perhaps on other universes or perhaps just different free standing environments on their own.

The general picture is rather well known. However, would it be possible, perhaps through the sharing of OBE information, to establish the identity of distinct environments and something like a description of what they are like? Maybe some specific scenery/location that is known to likely exist only in that environment?

Of course, such a grand scheme is not pulled off in a heartbeat, but neither is it the point. Just a preliminary identification of a handful environments immediately beyond the 'double' would be a great achievement and of tremendous importance. Could we even speak of a fledging discipline of "Astralography"?

I know this has been asked before, but I wouldn't mind advice all the same.

When meditating I either use the Phasing method of "disinterested" observation of whatever is projected on my eyelids, or I focus emotionally on the vision of something that I love and that attracts me.

During successful sessions I not only get quick 'sonic bangs' and sometimes a continually ringing 'beeeeeeep' sound in my ear, I often also get what I consider to be the famed "vibrations". It's a vibrating and sucking feeling.

When that happens my body usually reacts instinctively by getting very tense until the vibrating sensation stops. I have tried to just relax and let it flow, but that also leads to a gradual decline in vibrational intensity until it ceases completely. If I try to "focus" on the vibrations, however, my cognitive mind takes over and the vibrations stop abruptly.

Do you have some kind of strategy or something that you employ when you reach this stage? I feel that the correct way to proceed in order to project would be to intensify the vibrational state of mind, but I just don't know how to do it.

I have read of course that some people imagine they roll out bed during the vibrational stage and thus achieve the out of body state this way, but like imagining I am raising my hand to look at it (really?) that just makes me feel silly. Like I actually could project that easily? Is there any other technique, perhaps a bit more simple and immediate that you could employ in order to make use of the vibrations?

Been thinking a lot about this.

Sexual excitement is not related to procreation as such, but on the physical plane it has throughout evolution obviously been adapted by biological lifeforms to motivate the burdensome task of bringing new life into the world.

Lust seems universally to be mainly triggered by the perverse, and is therefore deeply connected to it. Just consider how people get turned on by for instance thigh high boots. Why? By being otherwise mostly naked, the wearer is doing something inappropriate, performing some sort of anti-utility associated with indulgence and excess. Georges Bataille wrote that coitus is "the parody of a crime". I kind of like that description. Fetishistic items like thigh boots or long leather gloves or some other sort of shiny, body hugging material also suggest a sort of liquidity, just like the gloss of full, red painted lips are considered universally sensual.

It seems apparent to me that the sensual comes from somewhere outside this material reality. Matter by itself is unable to stir any spiritual reaction or excitement of the soul, so that to believe that the most powerful sensation of pleasure known to most of mankind, not to say the animal kingdom, would originate within matter and be a faculty of this physical world seems entirely preposterous.

But the question is, where does it come from?

Despite the notion of the Underworld and "hell" as sometimes partly associated with erotic themes - in fact this has been the case in popular culture throughout human history, be it Christian or Pagan - what is known as the lower planes of the Astral obviously have nothing to do with it and do not contain this kind of "hells". On the contrary, these worlds of dusty grime and grey are essentially the very opposite of an environment conducive to pleasure, being characterized by bleakness, heaviness, anxiety, depression, fear and suffering.

On the other hand, the higher planes of the Astral appear to increasingly rule out the realm of lust and its distinct forms of qualia as well, seemingly taking on an attitude of being too "pure" and "enlightened" to allow for the slithering depravity of mere sensual debauchery and excess. So, considered the unique qualities of sexual pleasure, its distinct alien and unnatural - "sinful" - essence in comparison to human conceptions of the pure and spiritually elevated, where does it reside? Does it reside on the "wish fulfillment" planes beyond the "Earth-like worlds"? On a related note, what in the expanded cosmos of consciousness could be its root?

It would be quite rewarding I think, to partake in what people who have experienced OBE's would have to say on this matter, and how they possibly look at it.

[It'llbe like the blackness you see when you close your eyes]

A few weeks or months ago I started meditating on a daily basis in order to eventually be able to 'phase out' and have an OBE. I don't think I have gotten very far, though. Momentarily during meditation I experience buzzing sounds, a force pulling me upwards or a weird kind of disorientation, but this soon passes. Alright, for about a millisecond I might have had a strangely detailed vision in black and white (for some reason), but I'm not sure it wasn't just my mind playing games with me.

I have two questions that I'd like to pose to the forum.

1) One thing that has occurred during this period is that I'm no longer able to recall a single dream when I wake up in the morning. Unlike when I was younger, I usually do not remember dreams that often anyway and those I do experience tend to be just pointless jibberish stuff, but lately it seems that even this low level of dream intensity has dropped to virtually zero. Could there be a connection here? Is it because of meditation? Does it imply anything? Am I doing something wrong?


2) In his cool book on "Phasing", Xanth writes:

"Phasing is described as you being "here" (here being the physical), you then feel a shift in
consciousness of some kind, and then you are "there" (there being the
non-physical, or as some call it the "astral", or as I call it "somewhere
other than this physical reality"). The shift is usually so seamless that
the only thing you'll perceive between here and there is what we call the
3D Blackness and even then you might not directly experience it. It'll
be like the blackness you see when you close your eyes, only it will have
a quality of depth to it. It's also referred to as the Void, Focus 21 (in the
Monroe Focus Model), Point Consciousness State and many other terms,
but more on that later."

I'm not sure I actually get this. I don't see a "blackness" when I close my eyes. I see the infinite kaleidoscope of lights, dots, shapes and colors that our retina spontaneously produces when its cells are being stimulated by the pressure of the eyelid and don't have anything to look at.

Is this "blackness" hinted at really supposed to be "black"?

And this "3D blackness", supposedly what is also known as "the void" - will I know what it is when I experience it? How do you get there?


Thanks for hints. Just trying to get somewhere.

Hello, I'm Blue Glitter Neon and I've already started a thread or two.

I'm a 40 something European guy who wish there is something, cause this world just ain't worth it.

Got interested in stuff like this relatively recently by way of thinking about the nature of consciousness and realizing that 1) It had nothing to do with intelligence, but in fact that it consisted in sensation and 2) We actually have no idea what sensations ("qualia") really are as understood from a materialistic framework. As of yet at least, neither do we have any way to find out.

So, I sort of conjectured that Descartes might have been kind of correct after all. Maybe there is a soul, our nervous system functions like a kind of interface and experience does not take place in the physical?


My own previous experiences are very few and all took place in my early 20's:

1) Once I was asleep, I realized I was asleep inside my room, and I thought I'd try to get out of bed in my dream to have a look around. It didn't work, since I was unable to leave my body and rise from the bed.

2) A pair of highly detailed and vivid dreams where I thought that if I concentrate on details, like for instance, the texture of the grass, which proved to actually gain in detail the closer you looked, I might break out into some kind of spiritual dimension. However, I never got further than to examining the grass.

3) A very vivid, ultra shiny and crisp erotic dream with a fetishistic theme. I recall it because it felt nothing like an ordinary dream and the colors and surroundings in it were 'realer than real' - surreal, I should say. I saw a single scene in an intensely white lit room. The room consisted mainly of one big shiny bed and the couple in it appeared to want to show me something, their lustful 'reality' so to speak.


That's all I've got to go on. I've recently begun to try and meditate in order to eventually be able to 'phase out' of this state of consciousness. Have no idea if it's working though, and in fact, I have no idea if I'm actually only behaving like a fool. Maybe there is really nothing and y'all are just pulling my leg. 

Seems I had to create another topic.

Just a small question: I wonder if among travelers to the Astral, there are people who on return have tried to make depictions of the scenes they have experienced there out of recollection? Sort of like artist reporters before photography was invented.

I ask because if I google for "astral plane" in images, a plethora of various and fantastic art emerges, but how am I to know if these are attempts at genuine depictions or just the fanciful imagination by other people who have never visited the Astral Plane?

Thanks in advance!

Hello all, first post here!

I have a question that I ponder and maybe you can fill in the blanks?

Supposing that there is an afterlife and the so called astral dimensions are where we go when we die, I would like to know what this implies for your bodily shape and form.

If our body in the afterlife is composed of 'spiritual matter' and the world we arrive in is largely dependent on our modes of thought and desires that we bring with us, wouldn't that imply also that the way we look in the afterlife would be influenced by 'expectation' (for lack of a better word)?

In other words, would a short and homely man who would like to look like a superhero become muscular and tall in the afterlife? Or a trans-sexual man turn into a woman (his perceived 'true self')? Someone else become a dragon or whatever? Or, do we keep the general looks that we have had to put up with and grown used to here in the material universe?

When I read quotes from Leadbeater, Madame Besant and those old classics on the Internet, they don't seem to give a coherent answer. Maybe someone who has visited the astral planes through projection/OBE or even NDE might help to shed som light on this?