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By far my biggest difficulty with phasing is insomnia. A focus of any kind on anything at all ensures I will stay awake. Lying on my back has the same effect. I might stay wake for 10+ hours if I just lie on my back.

The only times I've been able to phase have been when I'm particularly sleepy and repeating numbers or some repetitive action which I then subconsciously keep repeating at a point where I momentarily lose consciousness. I've realized that this specific point of losing consciousness is key to phasing, and absolutely nothing else seems to matter in this practice. It's like a big wave that will drown you in an instant, unless you catch it and ride the wave. But if it takes me hours to fall asleep then that wave can come at any second during those several hours, making it near-impossible to be ready for it. The wave inevitably comes, eventually, but I just pass out from exhaustion.

So I'm wondering if I should try switching from these traditional sorts of techniques to something more difficult and ambitious, but maybe more reliable, though idk how realistic they are. Tom Campbell supposedly does this, and sometimes mentions he's always living in multiple realities. Remote viewers do this too, to various degrees. Maybe working on that could somehow translate into phasing progress. And maybe even just the point consciousness state through meditation is be an approach worth exploring, but I've always dismissed it as impractical. Frank used to say how he finds meditation unnecessary, and he was the most successful projector I've ever read about.

Just looking for yall thoughts

Frank Kepple seemed to believe that the top of the head was a key element in projection.

He said it's like there's a sensor that extends downwards into the body from the top of the head to enable physical-body sensations, which, if you instead directed up, would do the opposite.  So one of his techniques was moving "up", with attention placed on the top of the head.

I've been wondering for a while now what variation of this "directional movement" technique would be most effective. There's:

• Frank's moving up from the head technique
• Feeling movement in any random direction with the whole body
• Feeling movement in any random direction with the whole bed/room/house
• Moving in any direction with a greater sense of strain with the rope technique
• Spinning
• Moving in two opposite directions simultaneously
• Doing any of the above within imagination, e.g. skydiving / riding a lift

Most would suggest all techniques are best done within imagination as the physical just interferes, yet with the rope technique you're climbing an imaginary rope superimposed on the physical.  Frank's technique puts focus on the physical head.  And in my own experience the sensation of movement is felt most strongly when I imagine my physical body moving, I would assume because of etheric energy gaining inertia.

So is "forget the body" bad advice?  Is it best to focus on the crown chakra like Frank suggests?  What has been your experience?

Just wondering.  Has anyone tried living as a cat or something during an AP?  I think it's generally difficult to throw away your humanity and fully become some animal.  I always used to see life as a cat as heaven.  No worries, sleep anywhere anytime, no clothes, always comfortable, etc.

I know ideally you need like 6h of sleep or to be a little tired to maximize your chances of phasing, but, from what I read, the most experienced phasers don't seem to have this limitation.

I've started taking practice seriously again and what I've recently noticed is there's a "sleep switch" that activates 5-30m in.  I think that's what's responsible for falling asleep / losing consciousness.  It's a sudden event, like a punch to the face, with the sole purpose of beginning sleep.  I'm assuming this is the key to phasing, but I know how people like Tom Campbell can phase while walking/talking in the physical, so perhaps the key is something else.

I can usually manage to maintain consciousness through the event, but the act of me noticing the switch seems to snap me back and I don't transition anywhere, or at least not properly.  Yet if I don't notice the sleep switch then I, of course, inevitably fall asleep.

When I first started practicing about 10 years ago I had crazy high motivation for about 2 whole years.

At this point it's hard to stay motivated.  I sometimes get motivated for a week or two after reading some forum threads, but then it just disappears.  I got Chronic Fatigue Syndrome a couple years ago and that makes it even harder to maintain motivation and to do the practice itself.



What are the best sources of motivation/inspiration?  Any YouTube channels? Or anything else?  I feel like if it's on my mind more often it will be easier to stay motivated, but it's not exactly a topic that gets covered much on YouTube or the internet in general.

[Side note:]

This morning I did the "moving left" technique, or whatever you'd call it.  I completely left the physical in under 5 minutes.  I thought I was in my room but couldn't really see anything, I may have seen glimpses of my room but it wasn't clear.  I wonder if this was the void, a LD, or what.  I heard loud buzzing in this state, which I assumed was binaural beats from my headphones, but only afterwards did I remember I had no headphones on or anything.  I also heard a very loud voice of a man talking about astral projection, I completely ignored what he was saying as I just found it annoying, lol.

The most annoying thing, though, was that I felt I couldn't do anything from this state.  I tried to move but I couldn't tell if I was going anywhere.  I kept trying to swim with my non-physical arms, but nothing happened.  Moving left more also seemed to not have much effect.  The arms felt very real, and definitely non-physical, so that's something.  Maybe I should've climbed a rope or something.  The experience lasted only a few minutes, but when I came back my sense of time was off.  It felt like I was gone for at least an hour.


My memory's a bit patchy, but what might've triggered this was biting my teeth together in a weird way (not sure if physically or not as I can't replicate the exact teeth-contact sensation).  I let the teeth touch → rolled over (again not sure if physically or not) → felt myself moving left → saw a slight flash and then.. → separation into the buzzing NP environment.





Side note:
I am a bit surprised I achieved this without meditating, as Tom Campbell would have you believe deep meditation / point-consciousness is paramount.  I didn't meditate, I still had physical focus prior to separation, I didn't go through sleep paralysis, I didn't do any relaxation at all, I didn't do any visualisation, yet I still phased into the NP without any effort
I'll add, in previous attempts I'd often get rapid heard beat when I felt "close", yet this time I just felt a little hot, and that's it.

I had the pdf a year ago but lost it. I've been interested in the rope technique but the Vehram system seems to be a more advanced version of the same "tug to get out" concept. I wouldn't be surprised if the underlying mechanism behind the techniques is the exact same.

I've read the "Vehram is brilliant" thread but it wasn't very helpful. iirc there are 6 points— I'm assuming for every direction you can move in—and for an OBE you need to pull on at least one of them.

What else is there to this? Can this be used on its own to "phase" from an awake state, or is it solely an "exit method" requiring trance/body-loosening/hypnagogia?

I'm considering learning to sleep while sitting. Sitting seems to be the best position for meditation, but OBEs need complete relaxation, which is harder to achieve when sitting.  If I get used to sleeping sitting, maybe I'll have the perfect OBE position.

Does anyone do this or have any thoughts?

I've had TGE for some years now, but have only really tried the F10 track.  Gave up on it after hearing "you are now in focus 10" a hundred times.

The weird thing about TGE is, iirc, many of the tracks don't even go into theta.  So would seem less effective than just a theta BB track.  And I also hear that most of the tracks don't even provide a technique.  So I'm wondering what value is there to these tracks, for someone who just wants to phase?

I've also got a laxman light and sound machine, but can't really tell if it's any better than just a BB track.

So I've been experimenting with ways of flowing energy. Tying the breath with energy (as with 'NEW') felt limiting, so I've been flowing it up or down through the major chakras, with or without a loop. These all feel fine – except for some lingering feet/head pulling sensations – it's when I flow two streams of energy in opposite directions when something weird happens. The first time I tried it, I had a stream going down the back of my body and another one up the front, I then focused them on the brain only. Within seconds of intensifying this, I saw a sudden bright flash in my closed eyes; my body felt very grounded and tingly, and nothing came of it. The same day I did it again and saw another bright flash of light. I'm assuming this is some kind of symptom of entering a mild trance, but it's interesting as I wasn't even that relaxed and could bring it on extremely fast. It's the same effect I get from doing the Merkaba technique. I'll also mention that slicing the brain either front/back or left/right causes a unique, uncomfortable feeling, like the brain is strained or something. Thoughts?

I have some issues with phasing.
I can either, focus my eyes on the blackness or defocus and concentrate on my mind's eye's visuals.

Focusing on the blackness almost strains my eyes but lets me see some detailed visuals and helps stay alert. Eventually, I get tired and defocus, this causes me to daydream. Sure, daydreaming is also a phasing technique, but I can never go deep enough no matter what, also, the visuals keep randomly changing and I'm also hearing music nonstop so I'm not very immersed in anything. Every single time what happens is I spend an hour on the technique, get vivid visuals, get bored and start having a conversation with myself in my mind to stimulate myself.

I'm not really sure what to do to make the NP the most interesting place for my attention to go to.

Due to being very unfocused and bad at meditation I have lots of random ideas and thoughts which is often beneficial for me. Being good at meditation would likely result in having a quieter mind with fewer thoughts. Some people say it's good some say it's bad for creativity.
Anyone notice any difference since improving at meditation?

There are lots of expert meditators who have never phased so practicing phasing techniques must be important, and most people who are good at phasing are also good at meditating. So what's more important to develop well: the meditation or the phasing ability? I guess if you become a good meditator then phasing wouldn't take long to learn but can practicing a phasing technique alone be enough to get ok at phasing?

I've been trying to phase for about 5 years with no success, only a few LDs. I think the reason is because I have adhd and it feels like I'll never be able to phase because of it. I used to be obsessed with it but have almost given up as I can't focus on something that isn't stimulating. I mean, even video games and movies aren't stimulating enough for me anymore so how can I be content with focusing on the breath?

Wondering if it's even possible with the condition.

I think most people lie on their back or sit reclined but I have a problem with this, on the back, if I completely relax my tongue i experience discomfort as the airway becomes obstructed. Reclined, letting my head fall forward eventually hurts me neck and causes my teeth to touch which is distracting. Letting my head fall back while seated is also problematic as when I eventually need to swallow saliva I will have to tilt my head forward a bit. Yet this is how everyone seems to do it. The only position I can sleep in is on the front, but for some reason this I never get very far in this position nor do I hear of others' success in it.