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Hi Strwrs_guru.

You do understand it.  Maybe the problem lies in the perception of an object being seperate from you, as you said.  Since the energy is everywhere around and through us, and the science tells us the conscious mind effects it, harnessing energy with your awareness could work.  Focused intent may provide enough energy to begin the process, and regular practice would strengthen it.

Maybe old style training  may work to some extent. Using a lighted candle, focusing all your mind on the candle, you try to get the flame to grow taller, or smaller and play a little with it.  Focus your intent on the flame and see in your minds eye(imagine)the flame doing what you want it to. Practice makes perfect, smaller goals to start with help to build the confidence.

Love always.[]

Interesting.....I wasn't going to post on this because I thought this was done to death.  But I realize that we aren't talking about one indivdual anymore.  I assume you read my responses on the other post when you announced that you were going to start this topic?

Funny, I talked to my kids just about everything.  I have spoken about OOBE's, dreams, angel's, ghost, ect..ect. I don't force it one them mind you, but they have seen me typing away and ask questions. (not to mention read over my shoulder.)
I posted somewhere about an experience my daughter had that she just happened to bring up while we were eating one day.  It was weird and sounded soooo like what I have read on these very forums.  I acted like...no big deal, because I do feel she is not old enough yet to grasp the whole concept (she is 10yr)  Now my 12yr old is quite the different story..hehehe funny how just a couple of years can make.  He actually took one of my books and started reading it ("adventures beyond the body" by William Buhlman.) Told him if he had any questions, to ask.  He hasn't as of yet.  But during breakfast we will tell each other our dreams!!  I love it!  To see the looks on their faces when each has their say...well, it is magical.  
I look foward to the day they are each very much grown and we can talk... I mean REALLY talk about it.
I have taught my kids to love nature, people, and life.... Do you know how many bugs I have had to catch that have found their way into the house and then set free back into the wilderness?? ok, well, maybe the hubby does the nasty spiders...lol. and the days we have spent walking in the woods and picking up trash?...countless.
My ex-husband calls our son a "momma's boy" I call it being gentle and caring.
I don't know what to say to you about your kids... if it doesn't feel right coming out of you, they will KNOW!  They will feel your apprehension, everytime!  YOU must feel comfortable with it first, it must feel right within YOUR heart or it won't mean squat!

God, I love my kids!!!  They are awesome! [] I am truly blessed.
(but I will get back with you when they start having the raging hormone thing...lol..I might have a totally different story by then)

Nay. []

what..............no one has anything new to contribute?


come on fredhedd....you wanted us newbies to post.


what about you beavis.......you always have something smart to say.


no leaf........what about you?


come on i know adrian would reply.

You might have been having OBEs and not remembering them, because you were so focused on your vibrations in the here-and-now (get Astral Dynamics to learn about mind-split)

I try to relax into my vibrations - - - they feel so much better when I do this.  I just "flop" - - - let all the tension out of every bit of my body.   It doesn't help me OBE so much as it helps me feel better about the side effects, which can be jarring.

Yup - - - in certain meditative states, or places out-of-body (i.e., the Astral), time/distance has no meaning.  Once I felt as though I'd lived multiple lifetimes, only to return to the here-and-now, and practically no time had passed.

If only I could remember those lifetimes, I'd be so much wiser.

I would work as hard as I could to build up a strong defense in case the b*stards came to screw us all over. Then I'd try peaceful negotiations and offerings while keeping wary. After a year or so of peaceful talks I might be nice, but I'll always be cautious.

I can't help it. I don't like aliens. They creep me out.

Later
-FT

bg

Check out this link for a definition of karma. Keep in mind that this is one websites point of view. There are others, including what karma means to Hindus, Buddhists and so on. However the following link is a good start:

http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/santhigi/karma/definition.htm

yup.   just don't presume they are having any fun at it.

whats with the caps lock?

get serious already.

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jouni

ah!! quick and easy war to OBE but you'll always have to lucid dream first:

when youre dreaming, climb on top of a building or large piece or furniture or anything thats tall, really, and jump off of it! itll recreate the falling sensation associated with coming back to the body after an OBE, and somehow induce one rather than ending one.

or at least thats what ive heard and thats what im going for to get my first OBE, since lucid dreaming is coming tons faster than conscious projection.