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Hi there

I'd like to know how to achieve waking up in the morning without moving or opening my eyes. (Affirmations?)

At night my body takes over the whole show and what my spirit wants is thrown out the window. There is no thought of OBE until after I've already woken up, walked all over the place, etc.

I wish to awaken early in the morning (3am) and do OBE attempts, directly from sleep.

My body has even been known to take off my headphones without my permission. Its like everything OBE related is thrown out the window when I go to sleep.

Thanks

Neil

Hi

http://www.astralprojectnow.com

Has anyone read the book 'Astral Projection Underground'? Is it worth the $37 the author is charging for it?

Thanks

Hi (discussion and theory)

In teleporting OBE's which I learned about in L102, you teleport to a location without phasing. You just decide to be somewhere else, and you imagine all the sensations, sounds, etc. Eventually you can actually teleport to that location.

Although this is can be an immersive technique, I noticed that it also works on a lighter level of trance. It seems possible to have degrees of teleporation, where you are "bi-located" (he mentions this), so you can be concious of present reality (even eyes open), and of the alternative reality.

The material is so condensed, that I glossed over on important point (and it isn't explicitly mentioned.) As we know, the body is like a "Televion" or TV Aerial, which allows you to focus on a reality.

What isn't so obvious, is that in the astral realities which we can access (including ones of our own creation), this also holds true. In other words, its tempting to teleport into another reality but forget about the body. Maybe others wouldn't make this mistake, but:

The example was an own-created reality. I found that I managed to get it to be very clearly distinct, but I struggled to focus. I kept on seeing things from behind the body, in front of the body, outside of the body, wherever.

So the solution is to create an imaginary friend in the environment. This person's job is to stare into your eyes (best to create opposite sex). You will find that when you are staring into the person's eyes, you are correctly located INSIDE the body. Just continue to use this, and it will "draw you" into the body. This I think applies only to a non-immersive visualization.

It also trains you to stop using the physical eyes every time you see something on the non-physical (this is the hard part - your eyes want to follow everything). I found every time I opened my eyes in non-physical to stare into my friend's eyes, I automatically opened my physical eyes.

So the method is as follows:

1. Visualize a non-physical environment (or physical)
2. Get  a body there (your vehicle)
3. Use every possible sensation and 5 senses , to the extreme, to improve this new body's perception.
4. After a while, your teleported copy will actually start to feel sensations - this takes a while and feels imaginary at first - like holding someone's hand (you can actually feel their hand).  You become more and more aware of things around you, and this is apparently the key to teleportation. (See L102 for more details).
5. I think that the best method to get yourself into your new body (in non-immersive techniques), is to stare into someone's eyes directly in front of your face. This will give you no choice but to use your non-physical body EYES, and not float nebulously behind it somewhere (this gives you nothing to focus on). The other person's eyes are directly in front of your face. You have no choice but to use your eyes.
6. Continue to train yourself to use your body' eyes at all time. You should always be on the lookout for when you're not in your non-physical body. Don't cheat and fly around as a piece of ether. Be in the body. When you are in your body in the non-physical, you can't see the rest of your body, and that is how you know it is working. If you can see various parts of your body which you normally can't see in the physical, you're not in your body.
7. You can use other methods to improve "in the body" like creating sensations in other parts of the body and focusing on them.

This is my theory. The L102 material is VERY condensed and needs expanding on (and discussion).

Some text appeared on my computer screen without me having typed it. On the surface it seems like nonsense, but underneath, who knows?

It happened when I was sick and in an altered state of consciousness.

I noticed that when someone said something to me, I would automatically laugh. It wasn't a genuine laugh, it was a laugh which seemed to come out of social conditioning. What was curious to me was that it happened so fast, that I wasn't aware of it.

There seemed to be something which was subconsciously filtering my input and automatically making me laugh, without me having to consciously think it was funny.

I thought, if there was this automaton in my brain, how many others? I decided to establish communication with these "machines" which seemed to have a degree of intelligence, and indeed to some degree personalities of their own.

One machine I knew for sure was the "laughing machine". Thats the one which made me laugh automatically. It was my "in" on the machines, because I had identified one that existed, without question. Now I wanted to know about others.

My solution was to send a message to all the machines in my consciousness and tell them to announce themselves.

Part of the message I got (sub)consciously and transcribed into text. Part of the message was typed without me typing a word on the keyboard. This is the most interesting to me.

Here is the dialog:

I typed this

I AM THE VOLIK MACHINE

note: this seemed to be the machine in charge, and was the one I was dialoging with

MACHINE LAUGH DESCRIBE FUNCTION

POLIK MACHINE:

PAINTING MACHINE:

My function is to take everything that is in the body and paint it nicely on the outside. (Displays body; make visible)

SVALIK MACHINE

don't understand at all what this machine does

i am the bufelektik machine.

its function is to retrieve the memory by date and then bring a copy to present time.

store all memories forever. cataloged by date, emotion, smell, location,

4 MACHINES HANDLING LANGUAGES

MESSAGE TO ALL LANGUAGE TRANSLATION MACHINES:

MESSAGE TO LANGUAGE REVERSER:

The following is the text which I did not type

I AM THE VIELEPIET

I AM THE FROLIK MACHINE

I AM THE SHREPSTIK MACHINE

I AM THE FLOVEBEDICK MACHINE

If the list contains the particular inflection used then a laugh is immediately recommended.

The text mentioned above was never typed by myself, but I have kept it for the past few years as evidence of the only supernatural event which ever happened to me, which I cannot dispute. The most interesting sentence to me is the last one above: If the list contains the particular inflection....

I need some help.

When I'm attempting body paralysis it seems that the most likely time is when I'm not expecting it. In a way when I've given up trying thats when it happens.

This is very annoying because it means every time I'm making progress I have to give up first before anything happens.

I lay awake last night perfectly still (after having had success the previous night). I laid still for about 3 hours. Every time I started slipping into sleep (mind awake), I would say "yay! this is it!" and wake myself up again.

It is really bugging me. There must be a way around this paradox. How did others get around this? It means the more successful I am the less successful I will be afterwards!

And I hate giving up all the time. I want to be making solid progress all the time.

I had a strange experience last night. I was trying to AP, relaxation and visualization. Then my body sent me the "Roll over" command (lying on my back)(see Lucidology 101) which I ignored for as long as possible.

When I did roll - I was in full on sleep paralysis! I didn't like the feeling - my body felt tense and I instinctively tried to abort - but I COULD NOT! (very weird and uncomfortable). I had to relax, go through the vibes - and land up in AP.

It was most uncomfortable because I could still feel my stressed out body (lying uncomfortably). Eventually I fell asleep in AP.

Anyone had a similar experience ? (By the way I DON'T want advice on how to break sleep paralysis. I woke up this morning feeling like a $1 million having had my second AP in a week).

When you buy the Lucidology 102 product, there is no indication whether or not you should try the 101 methods first, and for how long.

So the question is, when to graduate to 102? Is a graduation necessary or is it effective to simply focus on the 102 methods, using 101 where applicable?

I started in December last year trying to AP. Finally after about 6 months I GOT IT.

I used: affirmations method, Lucidology 101, and the timer method. Affirmation "I will astral travel, I will leave my body" on and off for the past 4 months.

Time was somewhere between 9:00PM and 10:30PM. Author of Lucidology 101 says OBE almost not possible except for in the morning, but I proved him wrong!

I went to bed clutching the cans of my bio-feedback meter, and a torch. Baby and wife safely in bed, long day over.  (Nap during the day at 12:00PM for about 1 hour). This was my time. I blacked out for a few minutes it seemed... then all hell broke loose.

I was in the vibrations. I must say it was terrifying and felt VERY strange. Scary and felt very dangerous. I went with the advice, and relaxed into it. I wanted to resist, but I knew it was the wrong thing. Not resisting was like jumping off an airplane. True enough, I went through the vibrations.

The books never mentioned you would feel so strange and so unnatural. Your  every instinct is to resist. That weird feeling felt like I was going to die or something. I had it a few times during the vibrations.

I was surprised the vibrations didn't wake the whole neighborhood, and didn't rattle every bone out of my body. The sound given in Lucidology 101 emulating the vibrations were really close to how it felt.

Then I came through them. I then struggled various ways to get out of my body. I seemed stuck to the thing. I floated down and then I tried to float up. Eventually I got free and I flew the hell away from my body, a far distance out of my room and into the suburb. That worked.

My clarity of vision was about 40% and recall about 40%. I know it must be able to be much better.

I ran around in various settings. Once I rolled around in the grass and felt the grass on my hands. Some kind individual held my hand so that I could feel. The reality of being in another body felt less than in the lucid dreams I've had where I was 100% in another body. This felt more .... blurry?

The best part for me was the music, which I had also heard in a lucid dream. It was simple yet hauntingly beautiful, hearing it as I was with non-physical ears. I like heavy metal music but this was closer to classical. The type of music you might expect to hear in heaven.

Then the Timer Beeps (from 101) irritatingly brought me back. Not sure if I had the volume in my headphones too high, or if that is why it succeeded in the first place.

I lay there for quite a while, still mostly paralyzed, aware once again of breathing. I wanted more than anything to go again, but I was too excited about what had happened. So I got up had a cigarette. To my pleasant surprise it was only 10:40PM (we must get going by 4:30-5:00am).

Should I have laid there longer trying to get out again?

I am so pleased. What really worked was a 100% commitment to getting out, reading up lots and lots, and of course Nick Newport's 101 (and some of 102). I am even more committed now to getting out on a more frequent basis.

Alcohol turned out to be a big liability, and I'm glad I'm over that self-defeating cycle.

Hi

Nick Newport on Lucidology 101 asserts that the best time for OBE is 5am-7am, after having slept a good night.

Due to my schedule (baby,etc) it is impossible. My best time would be in the evening after baby is sleeping. Baby requires all attention at all other times (eg 4am she wakes up)

Does anyone have any comments?

Thanks

Neil

Our consensus reality dictates that use of alcohol (and other drugs of course) in the long run reduces spirituality. Also (the consensus is) that one becomes dependent on them to achieve these experiences. So the consensus, so it unfortunately WILL BE.

Be that as it may, I resolved that OBE was the most important thing in my life, bar nothing, that I would give up my taste for alcohol and others, in order to pursue this goal.

Paradoxically, I then discovered (when OBE failed to be realized within the first month! LOL), that when my resolve weakened and I returned to alcohol (on a regular basis), having almost given up my goal, that the experiences then materialized!

Not consistently. The formula for alcohol induced Lucid->OBE, is to have a lot of alcohol, preferrably mixed with some over the counter medication. Then to fall asleep early (say at about 6.00PM). The OBE/Lucid would occur about 2-3am.

This would not always happen, sometimes there would be no dreams. I could never predict when it would happen. As it is said with these phenomena, they happen when you least expect them.

The interval between is an average of about 2 weeks.

Dingo joked in Memborable forum that maybe alcohol could be a method. Actually it could be, but the consensus would be that one would become dependent on it as means for achieving the OBE.

One of my questions is: Why after the Lucid->OBE (and abstinence from alcohol for a few days) there are absolutely no dreams, no recall of dreams. It eventually  (well not that long actually ) tempts me into trying the method again? Is there a natural rebound period after a normal OBE when no dreams or OBE seem possible?

Also my original question, which Dingo said was yes, that would OBE's occur naturally if I abstained long enough? How long? Would the OBE's be more controllable? Better? Not as strong... ?

It really is an important issue because alcohol use and abuse is (in our reality) not a Good Thing, for many people concerned. However, I would prefer to continue using it if it is the only method of OBE.

I do have another method, achieving relaxation through bio-feedback, which seems to work better without alcohol (although once again, paradoxically, it has happened once that a hangover improved it!)

Awaiting your valued feedback and experience,

Neil

Hi

I'm quite excited because last night, I think I had my first OBE from a lucid dream.

I became lucid and then for quite a long period, I was back in my body. I was trying to get out of my body, I kept on flailing my arms, and trying to turn all about. Often I would be back in a "lockmold", in some kind of scenery, then I would be back in my body, trying to get out.

When I was in my body, I seemed to still be in my room. I kept on asking for help in getting out. It seems like I was missing something or for some reason I couldn't get out. It feels like there is something I needed to do, but I didn't know what.

I would switch from struggling to get out of my body, to being in some scene, with people around etc. One very nice part of it , was that I heard music. I would almost say it was beautiful and haunting music, but it was not quite. It was just so surprising , to be out of body, and hearing music. Sometimes I would be drawn towards it.

This went on for a surprisingly long time. The reason why I think I wasn't just lucid, and the best part of the experience, was that when I came back to my body (I wasn't sure I was back), I realized that my body was paralized. I lay there for a while, then I started realizing that I could hear sounds from my room, my wife breathing next to me, etc. My body felt like stone. I could hear my breathing, deep in and out. I struggled to move my hand , when I did it tingled quite a bit. It was very different to all the experiences I've had before, I've never come back like this.

Many times during the experience I wasn't sure whether I was awake or dreaming (lucid/OBE), but then I would realize that I was still OBE. The most amazing thing was when I first became lucid.

Wow, what a wonderful experience. I love everything about it.

One thing I need to ask people:

I keep on having these experiences after having indulged quite a bit in alcohol the previous night. I have never had these experiences when I haven't indulged in alcohol. I need to know, if I ditch the alcohol completely, if these experiences will eventually come back , without the alcohol?

In love and light.

Neil (catstorm3)

Hi there

Its Catstorm3. I'm interesting in learning how to astral travel. I've been going since December last year. I've read 3 books on projecting.

I've had about 3 lucid dreams since I intended to start.

I'm not anywhere near where I would like to be yet. I've had a few fragmented lucid dreams... but that was incredible... because I found myself in another body (or should I say, I found my body in another place). I rolled around in the grass and felt the texture on my hands.

I don't have any other purpose in life, except for finding out the "truth" about life. I'd like to use the astral as an instrument for me to start on the road of this goal.

I've been using bio-feedback with mixed results.

I have some challenges, such as not having any time to myself, no private time, etc (I have a young baby to look after). Also I have to overcome addictive tendencies.

Inspite of these, the only thing I want to do with my life is to learn to astral travel.

Where's the best place to post my first few experiences?

CatStorm 3