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when i use the rope tech after a minute or two it feels as if my shoulders are rocking (going with the climbing action is this a good sign) i've reached this state numourus times but find i get bored after 5 minutes or so! and try a different tech. i cant believe all the times ive been to that point and maybe if i continued climbing i would have had an OBE (stupid me) i cant belive i never gave it full on atempt but to night i will. so is this non physical shoulder move ment i feel a good thing because its quite stong and very distinct. any replies would be greately appreciated!![^]

Hi blink182,

There is a member here named Ginny who does retrievals. Take a look at her thread entitled "a Focus 23 retrieval". That should answer some questions for you.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3059

Also, try typing her name in the Astral Pulse "Search" or "Advanced Search" at the top of this page. Look for her posts say, in the last six months or more, and you'll find a number of posts where she explains the Moen process.

Very best,

Hi,

I don't have an answer for you - I would like an explanation of buzzing cheeks as well...

I had this feeling when I was doing some stuff with crystals, and I wondered why it was my cheeks (on my face[]) that felt this sensations and nowhere else.

Ta,

Boomy

With me I begin to perceive swirling clouds of colour and various textures and so on. Following which there is a distinct forwards progression into the 3D blackness. So I tend to look at it that way around. Like I was propelling myself into it. Or you could look at it the other way around like you were being drawn into it. Either way makes no difference, I guess.

Sometimes I'll just float in the blackness as I find it mentally relaxing. But normally I just pass through this stage.

It helps if you have a fairly strong idea about what it is you want to do. Within the Astral, navigating is all about using intent. When I say "intent" I mean you develop a clear picture in mind and wish for it to happen. If you do this at the 3D blackness stage you should find some kind of portal will open up and you just flow along it. Though, chances are, you will need to practice a number of times before you get the hang of it.

At first, simply float in the blackness and think of something very basic. Like, sitting by a lake or walking in the countryside, or whatever. It can be anything you wish but make it very basic and simple. In other words, don't try to do anything detailed like visiting someone in particular at some specific place. Doing such a thing can be quite tricky, so it's best not to aim too high too quickly.

Develop a picture in mind and place the intent, i.e. mentally wish that you were doing such a thing. As you do so, you might see an area of the blackness becomes not quite so black as the rest. Maybe a swirling greyness begins to develop in one part. Maybe a light begins shining in the distance.

Whatever comes about, focus your attention on it. As you do so, the transition experience should begin to unfold. At this stage you don't really need to do anything. Simply remain open to the experience and allow it to happen.

After what feels like a few seconds you should find yourself within some non-physical place which, hopefully, relates to your initial intent in some way.

Yours,
Frank

The same way you move your arm. Its automatic for me (but harder).

I've used all of the waves including that one, but have never got an oobe with any of them. The closest I've got is with Nonphysical Friends in Odyssey, where I experience violent jerking up and down type sensations.

Brian

It appears as though you're getting somewhere . . . just don't get too attached to the imagery.  It's hard at first, because it's so interesting.  But just acknowledge it and let it go.  If you get too attached to it, you'll get stuck there!  

If you haven't already, you'll want to visit the Astral Consciousness section and check out the posts on 3D blackness, they're really interesting.

ill have to try that tonight too