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There is no time where they go. You should be able to contact them before or after they die and they will be settled in.

I think it raises a more intrigueing question, are OOBES OOBES at all, or are they all lucid dreams that the extremely advanced human brain creates, are our brains so complex and advanced that it has the capability to create a realistic world within our dream world.

I think however that there are a couple of other possibilities, you left your body and traveled to a different moment in spacetime or your astral sight created things that wernt actually there.

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I would like to open up a discussion to see and hear what you may have experienced or think about this topic.

Personally I believe the Astral is nowhere near where our souls go when we die, I beleive it to be merely 1 of 7 sub dimensions of what we call our current reality - beyond this place there are maybe something like 11 other dimensions all also divided into 7 sub dimensions.
All this isnt including alternate realitys neither, the idea there could be countless trillions or an infinate number of parallel universes.

I believe we are either reincarnated in this dimension in the physical world or we ascend (only if ready) to a higher dimension where we are born into a new world unlike anything we see here.

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I used the techniques described in "Adventures Beyond The Body" by William Buhlman and tried saying commands such as "clarity now" and also "control now" but was unsuccessful at creating neither.

I tried that once... once. It didn't work. It could be because I didn't really expect it to. Maybe if you put all your heart into it. I learned from the Mysticweb people that you can help your clarity in OBE by practicing being dynamically aware in the physical, which carries over to the dream and OBE state as clarity and awareness. []

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When I willed myself towards the ceiling, I went at a higher speed than I wanted and I saw my room from above (in 360 degree vision; extremely weird). I thought "stop" and I did stop. Then everything went dark. I thought of my body and felt the vibrations again. Then, I was bouncing in and out of my body because I would feel the vibrations, then they would go away, then I would feel them again about four times, all within a period of about one minute until I finally woke up in a dream (non-lucid but very vivid).

Good show. []

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Has anyone had such an experience and is there a better way of coming back? What other techniques are there for control and clarity?

Yes. All of my first OBEs I would float out of my body to the ceiling, after hearing a click or gun shot in my head. I say just take slow exits. That helps me keep control. Maybe instead of willing to float roll out, and get up like you would physically. Then already you have more control. See above for clarity. []

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Also, I don't know how to initiate the vibrational state. In my first OBE I used a Lucid Dream to get to the OBE, and the second time I felt myself sinking into my bed and recognized this as a pre-occurence to an OBE and that's how I started feeling the vibrations. I used the techniques from the book I mentioned above, like to repeat to yourself as you are falling asleep that "I am now Out-of-body" until your body goes to sleep. But it has not worked. I usually give up after a half hour because I get sore from laying on my back. Are there better techniques? Please share!!!

Good show. If I just relax, and focus on my heart, or a chant (Such as "I am now out-of-body"), or just relax into sleep, they come on their own. It's natural. If you try to hard or stress about it you keep them away. You have to focus. Let your awareness be quiet, and your thoughts centered and focused. Then they come so fast that it's a shame (that you tried so hard before. [:O]). Do just what you're doing and instead of chanting you can lazily focus on your heart, or count down from 50-1, or just relax into sleep. These are what I am mostly working on. I read somewhere where someone used the "99 bottles of beer on a wall song." [:O]

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One more question. What is the best HemiSync CD to listen to to initiate OBEs?

"Can't help you there. I'm on a lifetime strike against Hemi-sync, Brain-sync, and all the other brain altering stuff, like... uh... brain generator. I go all natural."

*SCREEEEEECH!!!!* (Like a car coming to an immediate halt!

Must recant my previous stance. I read a reply to my other post, and thought about it, and connected with my Helpers, and have changed my liflong strike against the brain stuff. (I'm not throwing away my computer. [see 'Delta is OBE' thread. Long story])

Well. If I were to suggest something I'd say Delta Brainsync. Delta is OBE. I have one the way. With my skill combined with those I should be unstoppable. [] In two days I find out. I'll be sure to keep you updated.

Take care.
Celestial
(Darryl E. Berry Jr.)

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSES. IN ADVANCE!!!

You're welcome. And thank you for sharing. []

Cheers!