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I've just quit smoking...  cold turkey.  I'm doing just fine though  and I'm sleeping much better than ever at night.  I've quit a few times before, and I've noticed that sleep comes much more easily.  Has anyone here noticed that smoking can adversely effect your ability to lucid dream?  When you quit, did you find that lucid dreams came much easier?

Kozzi

Good luck! [|)]

Yes I think that lying on the back causes a bit more discomfort and therefore keeps you a bit more aware.  When I go to sleep, I curl up on my side because its much more comfortable to me.

-Joe

The first lucid dream I ever had was absolutely wonderful.  It lasted for about 3 minutes, and I flew most of the time.  I remember that I was so amazed that everything was so clear.  I looked at my arms and they were glowing, and I was flying with them outstretched in front of me like Superman.  As I approached a skyscraper, I realized that I didn't have to fly like that, and I immediately came to a sitting position and flew up to the top of the skyscraper.  I landed with so much force that the concrete roof tiles broke apart under my feet.  I remember standing there looking out at a night-time harbor below me with boat lights moving across the bay, and the wind blowing in my face.  I felt so powerful and free.  

I still haven't quite had a dream that's lasted as long as that one, but I do have lucid dreams somewhat regularly (maybe once a week).  When they are really clear I get too excited I think, but I do fly most of the time.  

Kozzi

I think it's damn annoying. I shut my alarm clock off 3 or 4 times before I finally wake up and do it physically. Other times I make a couple of trips to the bathroom before I wake up and do it. Once I had eaten breakfast before I woke up... =/

Anyway, as far as visualization goes, practice makes perfect. Meditation and concentration might be good to practice too.
Oh yes, the looong and tedious way. I'm aware of no shortcuts.

Keep it up!  Sounds like you're getting somewhere.  You're on the right track when it comes to focusing on the blackness behind your eyes.  

Just make sure you right these experiences down.  That way, you can look back on them and see what things you may have done which worked out for you, and what results you got.

Yep, it's very common!

Do not think about your physical body. Ignore it completely. Do not even think about ignoring your physical body. Just clear your mind of your physical body completely. Thinking about your phyiscal body can quickly bring you back into it, especially at this stage.

One thing you can try is to go through the mirror.

my vote goes for obe......the "water" referance is a great way to describe it too.

Congrads!

Yes I had alot of problems moving at first too. The more you struggle the less control you seem to have. After you have enough OOBE's you get use to being out of physical form. I still have problems with sight myself. Check out my topic "OOBE I just had!" you might find something useful.

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I had an OBE yesterday, but it was really strange.  I was really tired because I had stayed up all night.  I finally went to bed to nap at around 8:30 am.  After some time I began to notice that my feet were waving back and forth like a fish tail.  I knew what this meant so I tried to feel myself falling through the bed face first (I was laying on my stomach).  I immediately started passing through the bed and getting very excited.  I was able to calm myself to a certain extent, but I'm afraid my excitement caused some loss of lucidity during the experience.  My mind was completely there though.  I made a point to look down at my body...  wow, what a freaky feeling that is to see your own seemingly lifeless body laying there in the bed.  The strange part of my experience was my loss of control.  I was barely able to control my movement and I was kind of just bobbling around like an inflated balloon.  Also, I could not see very clearly...  everything looked as if I were viewing the world through night-vision goggles, but not as clear.  

I was just happy to have the third OBE of my life, and I believe I know how to reproduce it much better now.  The wavering effect really got my attention and I was better able to tune into that than any other method I've heard of.  I just let myself go with it!  Absolutely incredible!!!

Kozzi

Hi kozzi,

You might want to check with The Lucidity Institute. They also have an online forum. You might have a greater chance of locating people in your area by posting there also.

http://lucidity.com

Very best,

I guess I should have included the technique I've been more successful with.  I've been using a combination of keeping a journal to remember dreams, mental programming throughout the day and especially before going to sleep, and waking up an hour or two before my normal wake up time.  Actually, I should explain that a little better.  I will go to sleep fairly early, and then set my alarm to get up 2 hours before I usually get up.  Then, I don't even really get out of bed, even though some people suggest being up for an hour or so.  What I do is I immediately set my alarm again for the time that I really do need to get up, which is roughly two hours later.  Then as I'm going back to sleep I will either watch the pre-sleep images with my eyes closed or just use mental programming again.  I find that this technique causes very vivid dreams, although not always lucid.  However, I've had more lucid dreams with this technique than any others I've tried.

Kozzi

This happens to me too. The thing is that our mind is really groggy when we sleep. So you dont realize that it was your sign.It really ticks me off when it happens. I bearly ever succesfully LD anymore

Timeless,

You said, "Total and complete 'conscious-like' lucidity is rare."  So, are you saying that not many people achieve this state of awareness in dreams?  Or are you saying that a person, even a practiced LD'er, does not achieve this 'conscious-like' lucidity in his/her dreams very often?

Kozzi

Yes, that is true.  Out of all the mass in the Sol system, Jupiter and Sol make up like 90 something percent of the entire mass.  Unfortunately, (and, fortunatly for us) Jupiter did not get enough matter to reach that "critical mass" that is required for natural solar reacton to occur.  If Jupiter did do so, I would think Earth would be uninhabitable, and Mars would not have existed (look at the asteroid belt).  We are also lucky to have such a large planet close by (look at the S/L 9 comet incident).  It servers as a natual defense for comets barreling towards the Sun.  I;m almos't wondering if what you experienced is true or not, I have always wondered if them gas giants supported some sort of life, or had some sort of solid surface to them.

Hello Kozzi
This is a good link for lucid dreaming and information and also the dream forum ppl are friendly  and helpful
http://mysite.freeserve.com/LucidCrossroads/Lucidhomepage.htm
http://www.herownroom.com/fishbowl/
good luck

Hey Kozzi!

I have kept a Journal for years..but of course, not consistant..I started typing it, and then saving it to a floppy..but my floppy drive is fried and I haven't been able to go back and read them..arrgghh..Sooo back to the hand written..I really don't like doing that cause it takes alot longer. And I tend to have some really long dreams not to mention at least 3 a day.
My recent ongoing problem is when something weird happens in a dream..for some reason I am not questioning it!!  This makes it hard for me to go lucid, cause I am not finding anything strange to alert me..it's getting quite frustrating!!  I guess I need to be more analytical...

Nay. []

I think experience helps, some people ask for or demand clarity but that never seemed to help me.

Oh yeah, I forgot.  I actually did move out some... enough to start tumbling a little in the air and get into a position to see my body in the bed below me, but it was too "foggy"...   This was the main point of my post...  the "foggy vision".  Does anyone have any during-OBE fixes for this?

Kozzi

One natural aspect of non-physical realms people have to get used to is they are teeming with people of all manner of description. From the utterly frightening to the incredibly informative.

Yours,
Frank