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[S.4 --- 'INFORMATION DOWSING' WITH L-RODS ---]

S.4 --- 'INFORMATION DOWSING' WITH L-RODS ---

The last few examples given in the previous section were  verging on what is called 'Information Dowsing' and the warning I gave there about 'need to know' and what information will be released to the user by the 'source'  applies here also.

'Information Dowsing' proper is defined as obtaining 'yes' or 'no' responses to questions asked of the L-rods (or Pendulum).  To use L-rods for 'Information Dowsing' they must first be programmed for this.  To do this, you simply put the L-rods into <search> mode (that is, the rods facing forward) and issue the polite command, "GIVE me a 'Yes' response, please".  Many dowsers have been taught to use the phrase 'Show me' but this is incorrect, and can lead to errors with some people who do not initially have strong 'intent' or focus in their mind.  'Show me' can be applied to any situation once the L-rods (or Pendulum) have been programmed to give the appropriate responses.  But first, the 'source' has to assign to the L-rods (or Pendulum) the correct swivel (or, in the case of the Pendulu, swing) that applies to you, the individual and this depends on your genetic make-up and where you live in the world.  This has never been researched by dowsers, but I have done my own research, after having been told by my guide that this is in fact the case, and found that it does indeed depend on ethnicity and location.  So, because you need to be given the correct response for you, you should use the phrase "Give me............".  Then the L-rods will swivel into the correct position.  Once you have been given the respoonse for 'yes', then proceed to ask politely, "Give me a 'No', please".  If the L-rods had swivelled inwards for 'yes' then they will be repulsed (swivel outwards) for 'No', or vice-versa.  Once thus obtained, these responses will remain yours, assigned to you, for the rest of your life when using the L-rods (and the same applies in that respect to the Pendulum also).

It has become to have been documented in several Dowsing Technique books, that the L-rods can sometimes act capriciously "for reasons unknown" and when this occurs, the L-rods are seen to give the inverse responses – 'yes' for 'no' and 'no' for 'yes', and that this can occur for up to a day or even two days.  So, it is recommended that the user checks from time to time, to ensure that the L-rods are responding in the correct manner.  I, personally, recommend that the user checks at the start of each dowsing session, with "Show me a 'Yes', please" (remember, the response has already been assigned for life, so do not need now to  use 'give' but 'show' instead) and similarly ask for 'No' response.

No research has been done by dowsers on this changeover behaviour of the tool that can sometimes occur, but my guide informs me that this apparent "capriciousness" is in fact due to phase reversal in the brain's hemispheres, and is a result of varying attitude (the right hemisphere is the 'intuitive' side, and the left is the logical cognitive 'thinking' side).  Keeping the right attitude and therefore 'frame of mind' will ensure that this phase-reversal (mistakenly dubbed "capriciousness") does not occur.  For this reason I say again, and especially for the beginner, until a user is adept in all situations it is advisable to check at the start of each session, or occasionally during a session even.   Another useful check that can be done at any time, is to ask a question to which there can only be one answer, for example, "Is the sun shining here right now?".  If it is, then the resonse will be 'Yes'.  If it is night, then the answer will clearly be 'No'.  The 'source' does not treat this as checking its intelligence, but rather as an intelligent and common-sense check to ensure that you can recognise the response correctly at any time you feel the need.  It can also 'read' your attitude and your train of thought also, so reacts accordingly.

'TRICK' ANSWERS

Apart form over concentration (a relaxed, contemplative and focussed 'frame of mind' is essential), as many a noted author on dowsing has remarked, "L-rods a and Pendulums have a mind of their own, and revel in the taming of egos".  So, occasionally a 'wrong answer' may be given, and the object of this is to get the user to focus better in his line of questioning, a way of redirecting the person onto another track when they are going too far down the wrong route.  Once the user realises that this has occurred and rethought, the L-rods (or Pendulum) will give the correct answers.  If you suspect you have been given a 'trick' answer, to detect the true from the false simply ask, "Is this a 'trick' response?" and a truthful answer will be given to this, since the object is not to make a fool of you but to help you learn something.  Note the answer, "Yes.....that was a 'trick' response"... or "No, it was not!"  Simple as that.  Always remember, that Information Divination is for learning new things, but also very important to the 'source' is the person's inner-development and that latter will always take priority since conditioning and a closed mindset will not lead to acquiring dowsing skill, nor understanding new knowledge, and so must be addressed and conscientiously worked on - and the user should at all times be aware that the L-rods or Pendulum will be seeking to remove such conditioning and anything that will hamper the student dowser in his or her progress towards greater receptivity.  Regard the 'tool' as a teacher deserving respect, and with that attitude you will progress well and become adept in receiving accurate information.

'SPIRITUAL' DOWSING

This is an aspect of Information Dowsing where the user is seeking answers regarding things that can be considered of a 'spiritual' nature (spiritual here does not have any religious connotation) and applies to such as chakras, auras, 'higher realms' or 'other dimensions' in any way, plus similar non-physical aspects that lie beyond the frontiers of our ordinary perception.  The way that investigation of such things should be approached is with an awareness that,  whatever the 'source', we are in touch with it through our 'Higher Self' or 'Superconsciousness', and it must be greater than merely our 'Higher Self' by whatever definition, since our 'Higher Self' is in turn connected with the 'Collective Consciousness'.

In his book <SPIRITUAL DOWSING>, Sig Lonegrin advocates that, prior to any spiritual dowsing session three quesitons should be asked.  If three 'yes' answers are given he proceeds with the dowsing task. If a single 'No' response is obtained then he does not.  I would instead say, that if the user obtains a 'No' then they should rethink their approach, and try again – rather than just abandoning it.

However, I quote Sig Lonegrin's three preparation questions here:
--- "CAN I" asks the question 'Am I READY for the task?'
--- "SHOULD I" means 'Am I right to proceed now?'
--- "MAY I" requests permission to proceed.
A 'No' response to "Should I do this" may mean now is not the right time.

In general, it will be found that the L-rod or Pendulum will leave no doubt in the person's mind as they attempt to ask questions about a particular topic.  Either the tool will not respond, or will give answers that indicate the person is on the wrong track.  If the user always has respect and the right 'frame of mind' then the best course of action I advocate is to check when unsure of whether to proceed or not, since a line of questioning may be perfectly alright to start, but then the questioner can deviate along a track that is not appropriate at that time.  A simple question, therefore, at such moments will be sufficient, such as, "Am I thinking along the right lines here?" when answers don't seem to be making a lot of sense.  If you get a 'No' response, then you should rethink and try a different train of thought on that topic.  But, it could, however, be that you are indeed thinking along the right lines, but the parameters are beyond your normal perception so if you get a 'Yes' then in that case proceed carefully but with quiet confidence that you will be further guided from time to time as your question session continues.

In a similar manner, it may occur that, for whatever reason best known to the 'source' giving the information via the dowsing tool, the present time is not right to reveal the information.  If the user wonders if this is the case, then it is simply a matter of  asking, "Is this the right time to ask about this?".  A clear 'yes' or 'no' will be given.  In the case of 'no' then you should ask, "May I ask about this at another time, please?" and again you will be told.

Another situation that can arise, is where privacy of an individual's situation is involved or where answers would compromise that person's Free Will in some way, either by your knowledge (were you to receive it) or by your action as a result.  This is where a rule comes in, as my guide explained to me, that information is only ever given on a 'need to know' basis whatever it may be.  In standard dowsing the 'need to know' is merely the intent to learn and grow in useful knowledge, but in Information Dowsing and Spiritual Divination the 'need to know' is set at different levels according to the user's 'status'.  Status is defined, my guide informed me, as the level of responsibility earned by various 'tests' that the 'source' sets and its observations as to how the subject deals with those situations.  If the subject shows clear ability to handle these with a very responsible attitude then the next higher perspective is opened up along with a new 'doorway' to higher-security 'need to know' knowledge.  And so it continues, as the person advances.

I reproduced the Sig Lonegrin questions and his approach to show that dowsers in general, and spiritual dowsers in particular, have great respect for the 'source' of their information which comes through the dowsing tool the use.  But, since my guide has explained at great length to me telepathically how I should teach dowsing divination I have given the above guidelines regarding spiritual dowsing here.  Incidentally, whilst on the subject of 'guidelines', the term 'Dowsing Divination' is one term not two words that mean the same thing.  Divination is the receiving of 'divine' (i.e. Higher 'source') information, and Dowsing is the means by which it is done.  The word 'Dowse' actually comes from an ancient Norwegian word which means 'According to Sacred Rules', from which have derived various words from the original, dowsxma (the 'x' being pronounced as 'ks'; the word 'dogma' being the alternative spelling in English, although the word dogma has now got the connotation of 'rules imposed' which was not its original meaning, and so dowsing is NOT equivalent to 'dogmatic', but rather it infers respect for guidelines given by a higher 'source' in how to use the dowsing tools correctly, since the various techniques of dowsing were given to the people of Earth many thousands of years ago.  Some of the original 'guidelines' were forgotten but thankfully the basics were preserved throughout history.  Because of that fact, my guide asked me to teach what she terms the 'Advanced Mode' of Dowsing to differentiate between that and the Traditional (or 'default') Mode of Dowsing.  This is why, then,  I stress the importance of the guidelines that have been given to me telepathically for me to pass on and which apply particularly to Information and Spiritual Dowsing, but also add back what has been lost or mistakenly assumed in Traditional Dowsing Techniques.  Having said that, Dowsing Principles are basically sound in most respects and have proved great accuracy in use over the many centuries - in fact, as detailed in Section 1 of this present course, Dowsing can be dated back to over 8,000 years ago and such as the Pyramids and Sacred Sites as well as Medieval Churches were built on Dowsing Principles by stonemasons who knew the ancient art and science of Dowsing.  Therefore it is time for this ancient knowledge to be given to all, so that everyone can have a clear understanding of all aspects of Dowsing,  particularly in the sphere of Information and Spiritual Dowsing that can be done by any person for their inner-development and for obtaining Truth at this time in our evolution.

ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS

To obtain Truth you have to ask the right questions – in fact, the question must be clear in order for the answer to make sense.  One of the most common pitfalls is asking two questions in one.  In Information Dowsing, for example: "Is X big and black?".  Apart from being two questions concerning (1) whether X is 'big' and (2) whether X is black (and the answer to each may be different), there is also the question of what is considered 'big' since this is a very relative term which could describe an elephant, a long-distance 8-wheeler lorry, an office complex, a planet, a star... a galaxy.  How 'big' is big?  If size is important in the question then relate it to actual measurement terms.  "Is it more than 5 metres long?" is a precise question, rather than "Is it very long – since 50 metres could be very long... and the difference is enormous, depending on what you consider 'long'.  Also, be aware of what "Can I......" and "Should I..." mean.  There is a tendency to use these words interchangeably in speech but with fact seeking, especially of 'physical information' you need to be precise.  "Can I go to town now?" means am I capabable (am I able to walk?, do I have the transport?, will I be able to get transport? etc), whereas "Should I go to town?" is asking would it be advisable to go (will there be any shops open when I get there? Is there anything I need from town? Is a person I'm planning to meet there likely to be delayed?  Is now the best time ?(since it is not specified), or would another time be better?)... there are many variables, so it is better to break that question up into parts, dealing with what is important to you to find out.

People use Information Dowsing to plan their holidays (just as one might consult travel brochures, but here get more information that they would contain regarding local places, the conditions and possible problems there, etc).  Some use it in their business to help plan schedules – in many respects it is a way of 'thinking out' things, rather like having a knowledgeable friend there who can advise on situations, and you can get an idea from the way they *nod* or shake their head ('yes' or 'no' indication) as you talk through it.  A relaxed style of questioning is always best for good results.

In Spiritual Dowsing the best approach is always the  conversational rather than 'fact seeking' approach, so don't be in a hurry but rather 'talk about it' with the Dowsing tool (single L-rod or Pendulum), whatever you are interested in.  The more relaxed you are, then the more in-depth your 'conversation' is going to be, and also the better your 'frame of mind' (that meditative and reflective state essential for good dowsing).  Those times in a person's life when they get into really deep conversation with someone, and the hours slip by unnoticed is the best way to think of your dowsing 'conversations', because if you can approach them in that way then you will derive the most benefit by that depth of relaxed-cncentration.  Being in a meditative and reflective state does not mean falling asleep, and – just as it is when talking to a close friend about deep issues – you can be excited at the same time, and even emotional (a good state for telepathic reception) and so you actually become more alert to dig and dive into different lines of questioning, like a rabbit down every hole, to see where there is the possibility of more information.  Often, an answer to a particular question prompts remembrance of some previous line of questioning and a surprise answer that cropped up at that earlier time and which then didn't seem to make sense but suddenly provides an avenue for re-investigation, so go back to that earlier thread of discussion and see how far it now leads in the light of new information.  Talking about things outside of normal perception is a 'picture painting' exercise, getting a backdrop, a canvass from which to work and delve into other questioning lines.  It is not a question of 'believing' what answers are given, but of investigating what sense can be made of them – and that will often involve the shedding of conditioning in order to grasp some things, especially if it has been ingrained in you that those things could not possibly be true, or go against some well-established teaching. It is often a matter of perception, and Spiritual Dowsing increases the level of perception with practice, leading to higher perspectives.

Should you trust the L-rod or Pendulum, in the answers given when doing Spiritual Dowsing?  The answer to that is would you trust a friend, more than a stranger?  And that means that you should try to gain a good 'rapport' in the same way that you would want to get to know a person, to be a friend, and then a close friend.  Your friend talks to you, and depending on how much you have talked to them you can accept what they are saying as part of a larger picture. So you listen and ask questions, and build up in your mind what they are trying to explain to you.  Be aware, that in the early stages of Spiritual Divination, that the accent will be on breaking pre-conditioning, so you are going to be surprised at some of the answers at least, and you have much to think about as a result.  Once your inner-development has broken the barriers then new frontiers of exploration know no bounds.

For each, it is going to be different – so, no cut and dried formula exists in how to approach divination whether by tool or direct with a guide by telepathic communication.  So, my advice is always to start off with the ordinary and familiar, and just be natural, in the same way as when you meet a new friend it is more appropriate to just sit and chat over a cup of tea or coffee (okay, glass of wine if you're French!) than it is to dive straight into deep issues.  Most of all, ask about things that interest you – whatever they may be.  Some have said to me, that they don't want to waste the time of the 'source' or their guide or their 'Higher Self' on trivialities.  People are what they are, and that's why they are here, to be how they are at any particular time... which includes a sense of humour.  Life is not meant to be deadly serious – it is an experience, to be lived.  So, ask about the things in your ordinary life, the things you would ask a close friend about... and think in terms of that 'source' as being a very Wise Friend... then you will be starting to build a good 'rapport', because that 'source' knows everything about you from the moment you pick up the tool.  So, you may as well talk about what it all, for starters, and let it out because very often there are things buried that need to be addressed.

Finally, on the topic of questions... if you have difficulty in thinking of questions to ask, then an easy way is to make statements and observe the reaction of the L-rod or Pendulum.  Reading a book, while holding the Pendulum is an ideal way of getting used to spiritual divination, and, as you read each sentence or part of it, you can watch the Pendulum out of the corner of your eye, and it will be seen to 'agree' or 'disagree' by the 'yes' or 'no' response to what you are reading to it.  Just be casual, and start with, "It says here........." and then just read that section.  Then, you can ask questions about what you've read.  That IS by far, the easiest way of starting out with Spiritual Dowsing, and you can apply the same idea in listening to a documentary or anything of a supposedly 'factual' nature on TV or radio (even easier is recording it and then playing it back as you hold the Pendulum, because you can then pause it or even go back to parts to ask more questions).  In this way your questioning skills will soon develop.

A FOOTNOTE:

On a personal note here, my own experience with dowsing came with the Pendulum, and by asking literally thousands of questions within the first 3 days of having started with the Pendulum it brought me the 'gift' of telepathy and within that first week I had full instant telepathic communication with Higher Beings on a constant basis every minute of every waking day from that time on.  I did not know anything about the Pendulum prior to picking it up for the first time, and there was no-one around to teach me either.  In fact, I had never heard of the Pendulum before that time, and it wasn't until many years after that that I even knew what the word 'dowsing' meant; I only knew I could do it, and that it was called 'divination' from the explanations my guide gave me.  So, I was guided, right from the start, at first by 'intuition' and after the first 3 days by a voice telepathically in my head, that explained many wonderful things to me about other realms and how things really were, and of course the Advanced Mode of using the Pendulum and all the things that were known to those I was later to come to know were called 'dowsers'.  In fact, it was only two years ago that I first saw a dowsing book (six years after I had already learned it in detail, plus the things that dowsers had forgotten!), and as I read that book I was filled with awe that it had all been revealed to me long before, and without the need for me to ever read it in the first place.  I do not ask the reader or anyone to believe me, but simply say, "Ask the Pendulum, or the L-rod –- and it will tell you the Truth of what I say".  Those Dowsing tools will tell you many wonderful things that are in books which you have never read (as well as the truth that is not written in those books), but more than that they will tell you what has been lost to Man during the course of our history, and what has never yet been written in any book on Earth.  While Traditional Dowsing techniques will not of themselves lead to telepathic abilities being reawakened in people (everyone has that ability though dormant and undeveloped, a psychic 'muscle' unused), following this on to the diligent and frequent practice of Information and 'spiritual' dowsing with the right 'frame of mind' will lead to and greatly assist the speedy development of full telepathic communication with a guide.  But, be aware that ego has no place in any of this development, yet a quiet confidence will be the keynote since the bringing of telepathy confers with it a responsibility to convey in a clear voice to others what is relayed to you -  or, to be more precise, those parts that are permitted for you to pass on at any particular time of what is revealed to you.  That is how it has been with me, and it was only recently, after many years of knowing so many things, that I was permitted to pass on in public for all to know those things my guide wishes to be known.  Those who I have taught full telepathy by personal tuition in conjunction with their guides, and those who I have assisted in reaching instant  telepathic ability have been those who were deemed ready for it by their guides, and this is the way it always is.  Nothing is ever given to do that a person cannot easily accomplish, and the guides know the time.  So, have that quiet confidence in your learning and know that you are guided, however unseen it may at the moment may be, and that time will surely come if you are diligent... just take it as it comes.  There is no need to desperately try, because you will be presented with the opportunities at the right time.  Remember, your inner-development is of prime importance to the Higher Realms, so you will be well prepared for the many gifts that are there to be given.  There are an ever growing number now on the Astral Pulse who have found a way forward by means of the Pendulum, and now hopefully even more will emerge to use the Pendulum and also the L-rods as a result of this instruction course in dowsing which is aimed to set a firm foundation of confidence and ultimately, as they progress, add to those members who are already in telepathic communication with their 'Higher Self'..... and then 'monitor' guides, progressing to 'teacher-guides' and finally a permanent guide who will be assigned to them for the purpose of them helping others.  Always though, inner-development is the priority and the various types of guides are assigned for that purpose.  I know this from personal experience, and from working closely and directly with the guides of those I give telepathic tuition to, and the pace of the tuition proceeds according to what their guides feel is right for them at that time.  Recently I had the pleasure of working with a 'teacher-supervisor' guide who was working with one of the members of the Astral Pulse in conjuction with their regular guide in order to for that 'supervisor' to choose the best 'teacher guide' for that person's future studies and inner-growth.  So the guides take the development of each person very seriously and on an individual basis.  There are many paths possible, but one of the main ones I teach is through the Pendulum to telepathy, and by this Service to Others for those that then become guided to do what the guides then train them to do.

In that way, this part of the job assigned for me to do will have been fulfilled, and I seek no more than the joy of knowing I have helped others along the path I have trod.  Each individual has a purpose to fulfil and this is but one stage along the path towards a giant leap for Mankind that is coming soon, so it is time to prepare – hence the reason for this dowsing course I have prepared here so that people will be assisted to be ready for when the time comes, and be able to help others also in the meantime.

-- end of Section 4 –

This is the end of Part 1.  In sections to follow in Part 2 of this course, much more detailed explanations of Ley-Lines, Earth Energies, Grid Lines, and many other aspects of practical dowsing will be presented, plus scientific findings about dowsing – along with experiments that the reader can try for themselves in most of the applications very easily.  Map Dowsing will also be covered to enable much investigation without even leaving your living room.  In the meantime, keep practicing, and try as many of the things discussed so far as you can do, before we dive even deeper into the Art and Science of Dowsing – in Part 2, coming soon.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[S.3 --- USING L-RODS AND PENDULUMS]

S.3 --- USING L-RODS AND PENDULUMS

In this section we look at both the L-rod and also the Pendulum, and see how they actually work.  In many applications the L-rod is interchangeable with the Pendulum.  By examining how each works, it is then possible to get a much better understanding than just using one particular tool right from the start, though the user may well choose to later use one rather than the other according to their preference.  Outside of Dowsing Societies the Pendulum has tended to have become more popular (though its field of application narrower outside of dowsing), and this is largely due to its extreme portability, as it can be slipped into the smallest pocket, compared with the L-rods, plus the New Age interest in crystals and the extensive manufacture and promoting of the 'crystal pendulum' as a divination tool.  As a result of the crystal pendulum boom, so to speak, many people are not aware of all that lies behind it, both in the wealth of divination experience people have had over the centuries and the many versatile uses of the Pendulum other than the perceived question/answer mode (a part of "Information Dowsing") which has sadly made divination almost appear to be just a game, and the Pendulum just a 'toy', oten an object of suspicion and even ridicule by those who are ignorant of the facts and who may also erroneously compare it and put it in the category of such as the Ouija board (use of the Ouija board and similar 'devices' designed and used by those who often know next to nothing about the proper way to go about divining information) all of which has contrived to give the Pendulum a bad image that is in every way undeserved.  So, this course seeks to redress that imbalance, and this section in particular now addresses the differences and similarities in those two tools, the L-rod and the Pendulu, which work from exactly the same 'source'.

Since many more people have heard about the Pendulum than the L-rod tool, we shall start by looking at the latter which the reader is very likely not to be familiar with or even heard of.  For the purpose of this course, and to get the maximum understanding and therefore benefit, it is assumed that the reader will have bought, or made, both L-rods and a Pednulum (see the previous section for details of this and also other useful information where appropriate).  If the reader has not yet got these tools, then they can be made later after reading this section, but it is strongly advised to read the previous section in any case (and in fact to read all sections of this course carefully) to follow what is being explained, because important information may well be in a different section due to the need to keep the course as compact as possible and avoid repetition unless it is a recap that is given along with further explanation for a particular application.

The essential difference between L-rods and Pendulums, is that the L-rod swivels to give an answer, and additionally can be used to 'point' in the direction of what is sought.  The Pendulum, on the other hand, swings, from side to side or in and out to give an answer (generally, 'yes' or 'no'), and in addition can also be used to 'point', though in this case (since it swings) it has to be determined which end of the swing is the direction pointed to, and in that respect the L-rod (only one rod, rather than two in this case) is easier to use.  The Pendulum tends to be used more for "Information Dowsing/Divination" than the L-rod but either can be used.  In Map Dowsing the Pendulum has obvious advantages due to its smallness, but again the L-rod can be used for this.  Dowsing L-rods are preferred by many for what is called 'prospecting' and for this 2 L-rods are used in searching for oil, water, minerals, roman ruins and buried treasure (coins etc) and many other things.  Again, using different techniques , the Pendulum can do the same thing as L-rods  in many applications.  So, this section will compare the different techniques in a general sense, and this will greatly aid the student dowser in an understanding of what they are doing and how best to go about it with confidence.

RELATING THE PENDULUM TO DOWSING

For those who have used the Pendulum for Information or 'Spiritual' Dowsing only, or who have read various accounts of what the Pendulum can do in those things there is often only a vague notion, or even none at all, of its potential other than in that particular area.  In addition to this, many who practice esoteric arts – such as witchcraft and New Age interests (particularly with crystals) have latched on to only a small part of what can be done with the Pendulum – each particular application tends to be isolated or focussed in one particular direction, for example a growing number of Reiki practitioners now use the Pendum for chakra and aura diagnosis, and some of these move tentatively into that area known as Information Divination but rarely understand more than what they have read in the odd book that happens to deal with their particular field of interest, so there often arises an element of suspicion or fear about contacting some unknown 'source' outside of the area they feel comfortable with.  This propensity to have a level of fear associated with the use of the Pendulum is due to how it has been incautiously used without looking at the whole spectrum of dowsing – so it is often wrongly associated with ouija boards and other divination aids that have sprung up and have been used by people who most often did not have any real overall understanding, and even books have been written by some people that fail to give anywhere near an overall or even balanced picture.  Notions abound regarding what the 'source' is that provides information of whatever kind through the Pendulum, and these are often brightly coloured by the various conceptions and misconceptions in our society.  There are those who feel it is the way to contact their guardian angel, some Higher Intelligence or God, or Alien Beings.  Little wonder then, that there is confusion and even Fear about it.  And yet, it has been used in Dowsing for 8,000 years, even before the L-rod came along (the Y-rod, or more accurately Y-twig, was the other main Dowsing tool used along with the Pendulum right from the earliest time in the Ancient Civilizations... and even by Neolithic so-called 'cavemen' who were in fact extremely knowlegeable about it and many other things that are not generally realised by those who have only read 3 or 4 paragraphs in some school textbook).  Dowsers do not have such problems with the Pendulum that New Age people often have, and it is simply regarded as being an alternative tool to the L-rod in applications where it is more suited because of its portability essentially.  A Dowser is not really concerned about what the 'source' is, and neither does he or she have any Fear of 'lower entities' or suchlike entering the tool – which says something about the conditioning that pervades many esoteric groups causing polarisation due to them only understanding the raw basics (if indeed  they understand that, much less its potential!) applicable to their own particular 'in thing' in the broader context, plus hysteria and shudders from those outside such groups who neither understand what is really going on in such groups nor have  any understanding of a balanced nature.  Dowsing is an Art/Science, very old and stable, and has never hand those problems.  Indeed, on the contrary, it has done much to help science, although the mainstream scientific community (itself polarised) does not accept this, and many famous people of science and other fields have used the Pendulum in their work (as described in Section 1).  So, the reader can proceed with confidence that there are no 'negs' in the Pendulum, and they can best assume that any negativity comes from conditioning, doubt or lack of respect for the tool, in whatever quantity those things may be present.  And any Dowser will tell you that with the aforementioned 'baggage' you are not likely to succeed with the Pendulum or L-rods until that negativity has been banished and replaced with positivite, receptive attitude and a quiet contemplative 'frame of mind', and that with those things in place you will  then progress well if you have diligence in learning and practice your dowsing regularly as a 'way of life' rather than a mere interest, and that will also aid inner-development giving a firm foundation, without fear, for when you come to do Information Dowsing.  To put it bluntly, if L-rods had been taken up by the minority esoteric communities then they too would have attracted the 'Fear Syndrome' about 'negs' and 'lower entities'.  But they have not, and do not give problems that the Pendulum is said to give, even when they are used for 'spiritual' dowsing.  When all is said and done, they are both simply pieces of matter that interact with an unseen 'source', and in dowsing in all its aspects they work exptremely well and accurately, as has been proven for millennia.  It is like everything else in this world, it will be what you want it to be and work or malfunction accordingly.  Dowsing works, and all it requires is your confidence in it.

PENDULUM MOVEMENTS

The Pendulum has two basic types of movement; lateral (side to side, or in and out) plus circular (which may be clockwise or anti-clockwise).  It can be 'programmed' to respond with various meanings attached to each movement as the user chooses, if they wish.  Suprisingly, Dowsers do not have a 'standard' for the various movements, and it is left to the teacher (or the book) to explain the movements of the Pendulum, and this applies also to esoteric groups that promote the use of the Pendulum outside Dowsing.  So, there is actually considerable confusion as to what should be a 'correct' movement as one tries to compare the movements advocated by one group and then another.  Nevertheless, the Pendulum works, because of the 'programming' principle.  Before we look at various meanings attached to any particular movement of the Pendulum, I want to talk about 'programming' so that the reader will have a better understanding.  We are all programmed from birth to fit into our environment (it is actually a much bigger story than that, since we are actually programmed before birth – but that is something that the reader can investigate for his or her self, using the Pendulum to ask questions; that is 'spiritual' dowsing).  In our initial programming we exhibit those traits that are 'us', and this is how WE REACT to our environment.  Conditioning is different, and that is how our environment expects us to react, as the 'norm' in any particular group we find ourselves in.  Conditioning (the insistance that we should comply) takes away the Free Will in our present state of evolution.  Higher Beings do not take away Free Will, because they have obtained the Wisdom as they have advanced in evolution, that conditioning to conform is not the opposite of anarchy, thus they have achieved a state of self-regulation simply by obtaining that Wisdom and teaching it to shape their 'society'. (Again, a very worthwhile topic for investigation using the Pendulum).  So, we have in our present stage of evolution a need to remove that baggage of conditioning if we are to effectively communicate with Higher Realms, the 'source', whatever you wish to call it, because while there is conditioning there is 'colouration' in our notions.  We need to apply 'intent' individually, and not by 'group demand' in our lives, to effectively evolve – and that ability to project intent is built into our prior programming as an individual.  What has already been built into us, and is at a 'subconscious' level in terms of how we can understand it, is a connection to what is termed the 'Collective Consciousness' – and that connection is to a 'group consensus', an entirely different thing to 'group demand'.  So, when we 'programme' the Pendulum we are tapping-on to a facility of that group consensus, that permits from that time on a functionality which the Pendulum will adopt and exhibit.  And that programming is done by simply having the 'intent' for it to so be.  It should then simply be a matter of instructing the Pendulum to assign a meaning to a particular movement, and this in fact does work.  We 'intend' for it to be so (either by strong intent in our mind, or by thinking of it, or 'telling' it in words).  If we don't programme in this fashion, it will nevertheless still provide certain movements in reaction to certain questions or situations (such as finding something we intended to find) – so it already has what we describe in our present computer technology jargon as a 'default' mode.  We could, by experiment deduce what the meaning might be, but we would not understand all of the movements.  Why, for example, does a Pedulum sometimes circle one way and sometimes another? Some have found that the clockwise circling seems to indicate 'yes' for them, others say it is the anti-clockwise movement that gives a 'yes' response to them.  Yet others still, find that a side to side (or even in and out) appears to indicate 'yes'.   If we didn't programme it, then we might assume it is purely arbitrary.  Yet, there is clearly an 'intelligence' there in the Pendulum somehow, for it does give consistent answers when used according to certain prescribed methods.  So, we can assume that it is programmed at the 'source' to give those evident indications.  But why are those movements different for some people?  We can note that within each 'group' of people (such as individual Dowsing Societies) there  tends to be broad agreement, as to what each movement means, but another 'group' will ascribe different meanings.  What is clear, is that overall a person within a particular group can pick up a Pendulum for the first time, and find it gives similar movements to what are obtained by others in that group.  Hence, returning to what we were discussing earlier, there is clearly a 'group consensus'.  In fact, this exists at a subconscious level, because the person picking up the Pendulum for the first time may not in fact have had the full meanings explained to them.  No Dowsers have made a study of this, nor even thought about it.  The philosophy of dowsing is to build upon what has become the 'norm', though it is not here a 'group demand' but a subconscious 'group consensus', and in that there is now an added dimension.  Because the 'source' accepts the majority 'consensus' and makes it the 'default' for whichever group it is that is using it.  That, explained my guide to me, is the way it is.  So, when my guide decided she wanted me to tell people about the Pendulum one of the main things was to stress that it should be used for Information/Spiritual Divination in what she termed the 'Advanced' Mode, to differentiate between the 'Default' Mode that the Pedulum assumes when a Dowser, or an average person just picks the Pendulum up.  (There is actually a 'default' chakra/aura  mode that is becoming a 'standard' in that field also, and which the 'source' recognises and adopts when the Pendulum is applied to such things by a Reiki practitioner).

Because a Pendulum is very likely to go immediately into 'default' mode, my guide asked me to tell people to whom I teach the Pendulum, to instruct it to "Go to 'Advanced' Mode" to ensure it will give consistent standard responses for all users, unless a certain movement is required to be reprogrammed for the duration of a particular set of tasks.  In fact, and this is interesting in the light of what we have been discussing here, those who have read my previous texts on this (in the <AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see> thread) or read through this course, will find that invariably the Pendulum will automatically go immediately, without being specifically  programmed by the user, into 'Advanced' Mode, since it is in the mind of the person, effectively an 'intent', albeit at a subconscious level so not recognised as such by the person encountering the Pendulum for the first time (when, remember, it would otherwise normally adopt 'default', or Dowser Mode).  Only if it should be found to have gone to 'default' mode, therefore, would it need to be instructed to change to 'Advanced' with the "Go to........" programming instruction (and this of course can be used to revert back to 'default' Dowsing Mode at any time, if desired – as may be found to be the case for certain applications in this course, should the user wish to do that, or try both modes).

Thus far, we have seen how the Pendulum has come over the years to adopt a 'default' (or 'standard') mode for the Dowser (albeit that there are slight differences between meanings ascribed according to the particular group).  But, there was a time before Dowsing Groups existed, and even  before the art was kept and cherished by such as the French Monasteries and clergy in defiance to the church (and who thankfully kept many of the principles safe), and the Pendulum was used in Ancient Times used stonemasons who already knew the Art of Dowsing, and they must have learned it from somewhere, from some time previous.  At some time long long ago, the Art and its methods had been  therefore given to someone, before any groups became established (whether stonemasons, or otherwise), and the Pendulum – the oldest of all dowsing tools – was taught to others from the mists of time before any recorded history that has survived (some ancient philosophers wrote about Atlantis, and a 'crystal technology', and even Neolithic art depicts dowsers in action, along with pictures of their dowsing tools).  So, there was an original 'defacto standard' method and understanding that went with it.  That method is what my guide now terms the 'Advanced' Mode, because originally it was very advanced, and could do more than what Dowsers now use it for.   Over the centuries much was lost, and we only have what has been preserved and carried on by Dowsers.  Due to persecution and fear impressed on people over the ages by those who wanted to control the masses, the Divination side was suppressed and much more was lost, especially in the understanding, of that aspect of the Art.  Those things I am now explaining in a simple manner, as instructed by my guide, for the reader to begin to understand what the potential of the Pendulum really is.

INITIALISING THE PENDULUM FOR 'YES' AND 'NO' RESPONSES

In Information and Spiritual Dowsing Divination you will need to have a movement that means 'yes', and one that means 'no'.  These are fundamental.  As explained in section 2, the user should allow the Pendulum to assign a particular movement to each of 'yes' and 'no', since this will obtain the best sensitivity for the individual due to the fact that the genetic make-up of that particular person is a crucial element in that because of their dynamic energy field.  But, we have also seen that there is confusion of movements ascribed in dowsing, since this is not understood by them.  So, the first-time user should initially - after allowing a couple of seconds for the Pendulum to 'settle' (this is what my guide terms 'log-on') before proceeding after picking it up - instruct the Pendulum to go to Advanced mode.  Then, the instruction "GIVE me a 'Yes', please" should be issued.  Observe which way the Pendulum moves.  This should be either left to right across the body (the Pendulum should be held central in front of the chest, and about 6 inches forward of it), or it will be in and out, at right-angles to the body (which is why there should be sufficient space for that movement, hence the 6 inches).  Next, the instruction, "GIVE me a 'No', please" must be issued.  It is not sufficient to assume that because one way is 'yes' then the other way must therefore be 'no'.  The act of issuing these two instructions is for the 'source' to  assign these two movements and their associated meanings of 'yes' and 'no'.  Again, check that all is in order with this, and that the Pendulum has indeed given a movement that is at right-angles to the previous one.  From that time on, the Pendulum will always respond with those two movements for 'yes' and 'no' respectively, or their equivalent meanings, and those assignments of movements will remain in effect for the rest of that person's life as their default.  Even if the user then at any time after chooses Dowsing 'default' mode for any particular application, the Pendulum will still give those correct movements, and not various ones that dowsers get.

PENDULUM CIRCLING MOVEMENTS

I have already mentioned that the other basic movement of the Pendulum is the circular motion (in either direction).  My guide told me that this movement should be called <searching> because that is the movement that automatically happens in 'Advanced' Mode when the Pendulum is searching in order to then give an answer of 'yes' or 'no' as a result of what it finds.  At the time my guide told me this, and during which time I was using the Pendulum for many tasks that involved searching, I had never heard of Dowsing, nor what dowsers did.  I only knew what my guide had told me (and this turned out many years later to be exactly what dowsers did, plus much more that dowsers did not know about!).  Throughout this course, you will see many references to <search> mode, as understood by Dowsers.  That is NOT the same thing as <searching>.  I would rather term the Dowsers standard <search> mode as <ready> mode, but since it has already become well established in the many books and societies of dowsing practice, I keep to the convention in naming it as <search> as well as <ready> (which some Dowsers now themselves call it) when it applies to L-rods.  The L-rod diviner simply sets his rod(s) to point forward, so that they will be ready to respond as he moves when the required 'target' has been found, thus he is searching in effect.  The Pendulum, however, spins as it performs an actual search, but this spinning motion is the <searching> for the answer to a question and not the <ready> or <search> mode that is used in L-rod or even Pendulum 'prospecting' operations, where the L-rod or Pendulum should be static at that point.   The fact that by the Pendulum circling it shows the user what is being done following a question which requires a search due to there being many variables, can be likened, in a computer analogy,  to the 'hourglass' that appears on screen when the computer is performing a 'save' action, but the computer displays the 'hourglass' while it is in fact searching for the place to put the file, whether there is enough room for it and much, much more that the user is not aware of.  This is equally true of the Pendulum when it is performing its <searching>.  In fact, as my guide has explained to me, the Pendulum works through a kind of 'computer' to access the data it is searching.  It is, of course, not like any computer you might imagine, and is in fact a 'living computer' that can do things you could never dream of. This is a fascinating area of exploration, and you can ask the Pendulum to explain more to you about this by asking questions about the 'computer' and how higher beings use it fro many things, but  it is not central to this discussion, and what is being explained here is simply what is happening.  A further thing that may be noticed from time to time is that during the course of the spinning <searching> motion, the Pendulum may pause very briefly to indicate a 'yes' or a 'no', and then resume its <searching> spin.  This, for the observant user if they note it, is useful to indicate what is happening as the search proceeds.  It occurs in a complex search and is part of the normal function of searching when a straightforward search will not provide the answer – in other words, where there are many variables that need to be taken into account,  since they may interact in a complex way, to arrive at an answer.  So, the occasional pause and slight 'yes' or 'no' indication is simply the 'computer' (as you can imagine it) ticking off each search avenue – " 'Yes', that is ok" ......or...... " 'No', that does not apply here" ... and bearing that in mind you will be able to follow the search pattern with practice, and thus gain additional insight.  If you frequently get such a pattern in the searching for an answer to give you, then it is worthwhile considering how you might simplify your questions, to arrive at answers that will then be intermediate along your questioning line, but also give you far more information as a result for your investigation.

Normally you can expect a clockwise circular motion for <searching>, but occasionally you may encounter an anti-clockwise circling.  This has several meanings, but the main one is still <searching>.  When producing an anti-clockwise motion in searching, the Pendulum is actually searching in a different way than normal, and this may be a search back in 'time' as we know it, through various 'time-frames', but it can be generally regarded as a search through our space in whatever way.  A second meaning of this anti-clockwise movement is called <erase> for simplicity.  It is actually far more than that, and generally means some kind of reorganisation of data at a higher level.  This secondary meaning also indicates that there is a shuffling about (including erase) of data in what you could term (in computer jargon) its 'buffer' concerning the current Question/Answer Session.  Sometimes the Pendulum will not keep a step by step record of each question, for its own reasons, and will therefore make a 'summary' of some kind.  If the Pendulum goes into an anti-clockwise circling when no obvious search can be assumed by the user, then it is often likely that the secondary function is being indicated.  Whichever function it may be, it is simply an indication to inform the user of what is in process.  If you progress to really advanced use of the Pendulum then the circling motion will become more important to you. For the time being however, it is just something that you will gradually get more used to seeing and later working with in Information Dowsing.  Scanning to analyse things in great depth, using<scan> mode, is another advanced feature that exhibits a circular motion when that mode is invoked (this has its own particular characteristics, a widening of the circle and then a diminishing of the circle, as the <scan> proceeds).  As an advanced function it must be used in the proper manner, so it will not be discussed here, except to say that it has numerous applications.  As you can see, from what I have explained here about the circular motion of the Pendulum, it is not a simple function, like 'yes' or 'no' – so, it should not be reprogrammed, although many do this, in their lack of understanding, and so therefore lose much of the Pendulum's versatility.

Some dowsers use the circular motion of the Pendulum as their equivalent of the L-rod <search> mode, and some even use the Pendulum in a lateral swinging motion to "start <search> mode off".   This is wrong!  What is even more wrong, and clearly shows that such dowsers have not even given any thought to the mechanism of the Pendulum, is the fact that they actually physically set the Pendulum swinging, say from side to side, or set it spinning themselves.  The Pendulum is not an old 'crock' or vintage car that needs to be set into action as if starting it with a cranking handle!  There is a reason why they do this, as my guide explained to me with a sigh.  That practice was originally started by some teachers with their dowsing 'newbie' students to give them confidence – the psychology of seeing something happening vigorously, particularly if the student was only getting a barely noticeable movement of the Pendulum when first starting to use it, gives a subliminal burst of initial confidence that they are 'getting somewhere', and the only thing it generates is enthusiasm  at the expense of confusion.  Thus it was, that this action became a habit, and has now become a common practice.  Many dowsing books say that the user should put the Pendulum into <search> mode by setting it into motion (either lateral of circular), and that it will then settle into giving an answer after it has stopped the movement initiated by the Pendulum user.  It is more like the Pendulum will provide an answer after it has stopped being dizzy from the enforced shoving of it into motion!  This totally unnecessary action does not affect accuracy, but I advocate my pupils to ignore such practices, and to be aware when they see them described in dowsing books.  All that is ever needed is to let the Pendulum dangle, and it will either remain like that until it gives a response to a question, or (in the case where there is a good 'rapport' between the user and the Pendulum) a quiescent 'yes' movement, which should be taken as the equivalent of a 'smile' that a friend would have in your presence.  If your Penduum 'smiles' at you in this way, then there may be occasions that demand a quick recognition of a 'yes' when something is found, for example, as you walk forward in a 'dowsing pass'.  In this case, you should instruct the Pendulum to be still until it finds what is being sought (or responds to a question).  In between questions, in an Information Dowsing session, you can avoid any confusion between any two adjacent answers that may be the same movement by simply saying, "Stop please" when you have obtained the answer to a question, before proceeding to the next one, and it will oblige.

In a further section we shall be looking at how the Pendulum can be used in various investigations, both of a scientific nature and in Information Dowsing, so for now I leave it to the reader to think about the L-rod usage described here and to think how those methods can be adapted to the Pendulum (remembering that the L-rod <search> mode is really only a <ready> mode, and the Pendulum's ready mode is just waiting to give a response when required).

USING L-RODS

Traditionally, when searching for things underground and therefore invisible, the method is generally to walk forward slowly holding two L-rods, one in each hand and each rod pointing ahead in what is termed <search mode>, while at the same time the dowsing operator visualises what is sought (water, oil, coins, etc) in a quiet, contemplative frame of mind.  When what is being sought is somewhere in the earth underfoot, at whatever depth it may be, then the rods swivel smartly into <found> position when the dowser is immediately above.  this <found> reaction may be inwards or outwards, depending on the person.  It has been noted that many dowsers in America get a <found> reaction that makes the rods swing outwards, but generally the reaction is an inward swivel (and in this case the rods cross each other, either at 45 degrees or more, and may even completely swivel inwards to touch the body, the extent depending on the operator as the reaction varies with the individual somewhat).

Dowsing is not a haphazard affair, and there are techniques which can be employed to narrow down the direction where the desired 'target' (as it is called) may lie.  This is a vast improvement on what metal detectors can do when people are searching for old roman coins and the like (also, metal detectors can only detect metal, and not other valuable artifacts that may be clay pottery or remains, and certainly not the line of an old roman foundation that may lie beneath), plus the treasure hunter needs to divide a field up into narrow strips and carefully walk the entire length of each strip – often without even finding anything, since metal detection is a guessing affair, based on only assumptions that there may be metal coins in the vicinity due to extant roman ruins or historical records.  The Dowser does not have these problems, since he is able to obtain very accurate data from "information dowsing" prior to the field-work, either by question-answer divination, or by Map Dowsing (these will be discussed later, for students to try these techniques for themselves).

First though, before we proceed any further, the student should familiarise him/her self with the L-rods, and become confident in holding them.

The L-rod, as has been described in the previous section, is made almost always from stiff wire (such as fencing wire, or even more commonly metal coat-hanger wire) and bent into an L-shape, having a short end (about 4 inches) and a long end (about 10 inches).  The long end is held parallel with the ground, generally slightly above waist height.  The short end is gripped by the hand, but not tightly (especially if not sleeved in tubing) so that the horizontal long end is friction-free and can therefore swivel from left to right.  It is more usual to have the short end in a tube that will allow this free movement, and so the tube can be then gripped firmly, otherwise if there is no tubing the wire must be held very loosely to make it friction free; this can produce variable sensitivity and the user tends therefore to worry about whether the grip is slack enough, thus distracting from focussing the 'intent' by visualisation on the task in hand.  I recommend that the user fits tubing for ease of use (the metal or plastic tube of a ball-point pen is often employed for this purpose, again see the previous section for details on L-rod construction).

It will be found that the best position is obtained by holding the elbows in to the side of the body and forming a right-angle between upper arm and forearm.  Each hand then holds an L-rods such that the long end is always parallel with the ground.  If the L-rod is facing slightly upwards or downwards then there will be more difficulty in obtaining a reaction, but the correct parallel position is soon found with a minute or less or practice usually; it will soon come to feel natural.  Spend a few moments getting used to holding an L-rod in your hand, holding it like a pistol.  Let it swivel about as yu hold it to get the feel of how it would move if it was reacting; then  find a position where you can hold it still.  When you have got the 'feel' of handling one rod, spend a few further moments holding 2 L-rods in the manner prescribed.

Now, to get used to the actual <found> reaction from the rods, and to gain confidence, we need a visible 'target' to find at first, before one dashes off looking for invisible things, whatever they may be.  In using a visible 'target' we are not interested in the finding (since we know exactly where it is!) but in the reaction obtained when we reach it by walking slowly towards it).  So, if you are indoors select something that you can test the L-rods with.  The edge of a table, the edge of a carpet, anything that can be passed over and which can be approached at an angle (nearer to a right-angle is best initially, though you can vary this for practice).  If you are outside, say in the garden, then the edge of a path, or edge of a lawn is ideal.  All that remains is to visualise (keep in your mind) what it is that you are 'seeking' and slowly (from about 4 ft, or just over 1 metre) walk towards it with the rods in <search> mode (that is, facing forward at waist height, elbows hugging the side of the hips).  As you come to the edge of the carpet, path, lawn, whatever,  then you will observe the reaction obtained - and therefore the correct <found> reaction for you, which may be for the rods to swivel  outwards or to swivel inwards.  Whichever way it is will be the way it will react in future for you when any desired 'target' is found.

Now, the world is your oyster as they say.  You can search for anything – not only water, minerals etc but also discover many fascinating things both of a scientific nature plus  exploring the esoteric energies of such as ley-lines and standing stones, and much more besides in various fields of interest (pun not intended) such as archaeology and the like.

Dowsing is therefore very often an outdoor pursuit, and is healthy since it involves excursions to interesting places, plenty of fresh air and great interest from all who see you doing it.  Don't be afraid to be seen.  It is a great pastime, and makes many friends, just as walking the dog seems to invariably attract people to talk to you with the dog as the focal point of the conversation, and new horizons will be there for you in many ways as a result.

If you are trying the L-rods out tentatively in your back garden and the next door neighbour peers over the fence, then simply call out cheerfully, "Great tool, this!" and then explain (you'll not need prompting!) what it's all about in one short sentence: "Archaelogists use this in searching for buried treasure-trove – better than the metal detector, quicker results!"  And the neighbour is very likely to invite you in for a coffee, the purpose of which will be to pick your brains - and maybe hope to share in that treasure if you find it, or even make their own dowsing tool to go off and keep the treasure they find for themselves.  Who cares – you have won increased credibility and respect by your use of  this marvellous tool that they see.  The only problem you will have is keeping them at bay, because dowsing is essentially a quiet, contemplative activity, so is generally solitary unless companions appreciate your need for quiet relaxed-concentration.  this idea of being relaxed and focussed at the same time is called having the right 'frame of mind' (and which also has to be positive) by which means success is assured.  So, practice this and visualising at the same time and you will soon become proficient at dowsing with either L-rod or Pendulum).

Accuracy is important, so a dowser always needs an accurate reference.  Simply walking forward and obtaining a <found> reaction is not in itself precise – because where exactly does 'found' mean..... Does it mean between the feet, or where the rods are?  By default it means between the feet, as you come to be over the spot visualised (the edge of a buried wall, or the leading edge of an underground stream, whatever).  Some dowsers specify the tip of the right thumb, but I prefer the default of between the feet, since this is easier to mark by just bending down at that spot and sticking a marker (such as a skewer) into the ground, or chalking it, or similar, if it is a solid surface.  The idea of using the right thumb comes from another technique which will be discussed later, where the hand is held out and the tip of the thumb used as a reference 'sight' (in that case only 1 L-rod is used).  But, as with other 'methods' in Dowsing these things get carried over by people who don't understand them, but they work nevertheless.  However it is much better to know exactly what these things mean in order to avoid any possible confusion, and so I explain these 'carried over' methods and their true meaning wherever appropriate in this course.  To obtain accuracy then, decide on your reference point always, and programmme the L-rods (or your Pendulum) by simply thinking or saying, "Let between my feet be the <found> reference" – and, from then on, it will be the desired accuracy point exactly.  Practice this with a visible 'target' after programming, and as you walk over the 'target' path-edge say, then the rods will swivel to <found> as you come to the point of crossing that boundary.  Turn back and with the L-rods set into <search> mode (facing forward) cross it again, and they will swivel to <found> exactly over the boundary edge.  after obtaining a <found> reaction the rods must always be reset to <search> mode (<ready>) for the next 'dowsing pass' as it is called.

Try, for practice, finding an invisible 'target' – water or gas pipes underground, even telephone or mains supply cabling as it comes into your house.  See if you can find which way it is running.

SINGLE L-ROD USE

A single L-rod is often used as a 'pointer' to locate a 'target', which may be anything desired to be found.  There are two approaches to doing this.  One, is that the dowser can command the L-rod to point to a named 'target', inanimate or animate. The other, is to hold the L-rod in one hand and with the free hand outstretched make a sweep through 360 degrees (or at least in a general area where you expect the 'target' to lie) using the thumb as a reference point.  When the thum aligns with the 'target' then the rod will swivel to its normal <found> position, which will be the same direction as if 2 L-rods were being employed, and all you have to do then is peg your present position and, noting where the thumb aligns to, walk in that direction.  You can even use the L-rod as you walk (a third function) to keep you on line with your target, by instructing it to do just that, which I call <follow> mode.  If you should walk 'off line' then the L-rod will veer at an angle and thus indicate the correction you should take to get back onto the invisible line towards your 'target', just like steering a car by following a pointer.  The L-rods (as with the Pendulum) can be programmed for whatever is required, and it only takes practice and thoughtfulness to accomplish any task in dowsing with accuracy.  Many dowser use the word 'command' which is perfectly fine, since a dowser always has respect in using his tools, but I prefer the word 'instruct' when it comes to such as programming the L-rods or Pendulum, especially for the beginner.  It is vital to have respect, and to use the word "please" in instructions to reinforce this in the mind, as well as giving respect to the 'source' that provides the information through those tools.  I also encourage the user to say "thank you" when the L-rod or Pendulum responds, whenever appropriate, or at least think with the right 'frame of mind' at all times, to ensure success.

To gain some initial practice with a single L-rod, you can practice in your own home.  Do this first with a few visible 'targets' to obtain skill and confidence.  Holding the L-rod in the correct manner, stand with a different orientation to where the desired 'target' is located.  In other words, select <search> mode with the rod facing forward.  Then instruct it to point to the desired target, which it will then do.  Try a few more in this manner – say a window, or door, or TV, or fireplace, whatever you like.  As a variation, ask it to point to the left-hand side of the 'target', and then to the right-hand side of the 'target'.  If you do this, you will see it move from pointing to the left of the window, or whatever, to then point to the right of it.  Then, try a 'target' that is not visible.  This may be an item in another room or even upstairs.  If the item is upstairs then the L-rod will point in the relative direction (in other words, where it would be if a line was projected vertically downwards from its location, and the L-rod will find that point).  If you try locating your pet, then be aware that he or she may well be on the move as you instruct the L-rod to point to it.  More than a few beginning dowsers have been surprised to see the L-rod point in a particular direction and then slowly shift laterally, effectively 'tracking' the animal as it moves!  If your pet is crossing the garden at the time, then by going to the window you can actually see it doing that.  If your pet has got out, and you wish to find it but haven't got a clue where it might have gone, then get out your L-rod and ask it to 'point' in the direction where the animal is (or, if it is a small child that has gone off somewhere and you are worried in case the child has wandered towards a busy main road then use your 'intuition' combined with the L-rod to quickly get a 'fix' on its whereabouts) and it will be found.  this technique does not work in tracking people if they have a right to privacy (the case of a small child is obviously of concern to the responsible parent, so is different – but a teenager has road sense and also has a right to privacy, so don't expect the L-rod to tell you where the missing teenager is hanging out, unless you clearly have a 'need to know', and the L-rod (or Pendulum, if you instruct it to 'point' in a similar manner) will decide that, not  you!

DOWSING SMALL 'TARGETS' with an L-rod

While the technique of using the thumb in directional dowsing with one L-rod (or Pendulum) is ideal for aligning, a different technique is required for small 'targets'.  You can use an L-rod to locate house wiring or water pipes  concealed in walls.  I have done this many times, with great accuracy.  And, on one occasion, when I was having my house rewired and the electrician could not locate the wires with his fancy electronic 'detector' I used dowsing technique to find and trace the wiring for him, to his amazement.  His time was, after all, costing me money - but more importantly it was a chance to show him what dowsing could really achieve, since we had been chatting about it in general.  His scepticism vanished never more to return when the circuit had been accurately traced by me holding a pencil in my free hand and drawing a line following the location of the concealed wiring beneath the plaster.  A finger can also be used to search for things concealed behind a surface to get a rough idea, but a pencil will give pin-point accuracy and is immediately handy to mark the spot or trace a line.  Visualise the 'target' (electric wiring, gas piping or water piping as the case may be) as you do this.  Where several wires or pipes run parallel there will be a leading and trailing edge as you cross them, so double-check your findings bearing this possibility in mind.

PENDULUM DOWSING OF SMALL 'TARGET'

With some 'targets' it is more practical to use a Pendulum, especially if you have to stoop down to either mark (if you are using a stick to point with in your free hand) or if you are using a finger or pencil as a pointer.  Locating joists under floorboards (or in a ceiling) is such a case.  Visualise what a joist looks like and with the intent in your mind of locating that, instruct the Pendulum to give you a 'yes' when your finger or pencil or whatever is on 'target'.  In this way 'look' for the edges of the joist and mark the positions found.  With joists under floorboards this is easy to do, since joists run at right-angles to the run of the floorboards, and are invariably equally spaced apart.  So, as a practice you can check the joist positions in your house.  Using the Pendulum in this way, it is important to ensure that the Pendulum is more or less in front of you, otherwise readings can be confusing (see section one for more details about this, and the 'relative position' exercises in that section should be done before trying to work in an unusual position – if you cannot hold the Pendulum in front of you, then you should check carefully with "Give me a 'Yes', please..."Give me a 'No', please", at whatever position you find you need to hold the Pendulum in to ensure you will recognise it's response accurately).  Working 'close to the ground'  here refers to 'virtual' ground - i.e. floorboards above the absolute ground level).  If you are dowsing with a Pendulum (or even L-rods) close to earth itself then be aware that close proximity to soil or terra-firma has an earthing-effect and will cause the tool to malfunction so in such a a case (normally outside, but will apply to solid floors laid on an earth base also, more than floorboards may do) a stick should be used to enable the dowsing operator to be in a normal dowsing position, and it is a good idea if the tip has a spike to mark the ground at a spot when found, or a chalk or thick felt-tipped pen attached to it for the purpose of marking the spot if dowsing alone, otherwise a companion can do the marking.

Where a spot can not easily be marked in the manner just described then once again the Pendulum proves its versatility, especially in confined spaces.  Remember though, that if you should let go of the Pendulum at any time, then, when you hold it again, the Pendulum will invariably need a couple of seconds to 'settle' again and log-on to the user before proceeding with the next dowsing operation as you continue to trace whatever it is you seek in this way.   This type of operation often requires you to proceed slowly and carefully – especially since you need to maintain the right 'frame of mind' and a few seconds recomposure to focus your visualisation again may be required until you become adept.  But attention to these details will ensure accuracy - and that is what matters.

LONG-DISTANCE DOWSING

The L-rod can locate an object at any distance, no matter how far.  It can be used to 'target' (don't forget to visualise it!) and point to such as a school, a public house, the local library etc – all from whatever your present location may be.  It can be instructed to point to a city or town many miles away, however great the distance may be it will find that  location relative to your position.  Be aware, in this, that some towns have the same name so be sure to specify the state or county (as you would also need to do if seeking a town using an internet search engine).  Similarly, by instructing the L-rod accordingly and visualising the 'target' all the while, the leading and trailing edges or banks of a river, relative to your position, can be 'point fixed' just as if you were drawing a line on a map.   This latter technique is employed when dowsing for ley-lines.  It is easy to visualise something such as water, but invisible 'energy rivers' (which is what aerial ley-lines are) are not so easy to visualise for some.  So, a good technique in this case, is to visualise the ley-line as a river of energy, but coloured in order to make a clear visualisation 'picture' in your mind.  Generally, the 'Michael' and 'Mary' ley-lines that run from Land's End to Norfolk and which come together in places are often visualised by dowsers as two distinct rivers of 'colour'. The Michael (yang) ley-line can be visualised as a scintillating river of silver, and the Mary (yin) ley-line as a scintillating river of blue.  When attempting to track these ley-lines of earth energies it has been found that these rivers of energy can be up to 22 paces wide, so that should be born in mind, and the exact 'width' can be ascertained by dowsing for leading and trailing edges as you cross the lines in succesive dowsing passes from time to time, and in between such passes you can follow the course of the 'river' by using <pointer> mode with one L-rod and follow the track of the ley-line (see elsewhere in this section for details of how to follow a 'route').

Much information is available now, thanks to dowsers over the years, regarding ley-lines, the most famous of which is the Michael and Mary ley-lines to Hopton on the Norfolk coast and many dowsers track those lines from their start at Land's End, proving the consistent accuracy of L-rods and Pendulums.  It has to be stressed to the beginner, that dowsers do not check the accuracy of the L-rod or Pendulum as such, but instead are constantly reassured that it is accurate as they follow what others have done.  So when they come to discover new things, they can proceed with confidence, and note their careful findings for other dowsers to then explore themselves.  In this way, it has been discovered that there are over 300 Sacred Sites and Medieval churches exactly aligned along the undulating and intertwining route of those rivers of energy – so the people of ancient times obviously knew the exact location of these ley-lines in order to build precisely on them, and must have used the very same dowsing tools in order to locate those invisible energies.  There is much further evidence that dowsers worked with great accuracy in those ancient times, in the way that Sacred sites were actually built, the formations and alignment not only of them but of certain features in Medieval churches with respect to those lines of energy and which have been found to be consistent at every site.  These things and more will be explored in later sections for the reader to learn about and investigate for themselves.

We have seen, how a single L-rod can do many things in locating objects of any size or at any distance (even an aeroplane's position can be plotted by this means if the flight plan is known and the aircraft ID etc - but the location of the "nearest aeroplane", for example, can be located by simply asking the L-rod or Pendulum to 'point' in that direction).  And, as I have mentioned earlier, animals can be located even if they are in another town, and the direction given.  But, again remember, that it will not locate a person or track them unless there is a specific 'need to know'.  This is a rule that the L-rods and Pendulum follow strictly, and will refuse to release that information unless it is your business to know, and especially it must not restrict the Free Will of the person being sought.  So, whatever you may think is the 'source' that gives information to cause the L-rods or Pendulum to move, one thing is certain – they work for the good of Humanity, not for any selfish, or self-seeking or controlling aim of an individual.  Neither, incidentally, can they be used for gambling, or to obtain Lottery winnings or any such aim.  

The L-rod or Pendulum will however sometimes work to find missing people in the hands of a professional dowser (who naturally observes those rules) or one working purely for the good of Humanity in providing a service and who does this in a very responsible manner; the 'source' would know whether the dowser could be entrusted with the information if the person being sought was not in great danger and therefore had a right to their Free Will not to be found, and so the dowser would either not release the information or only give the general area.  A top dowser is likely to have at least a degreee of telepathic communication with the 'source' and would be told anyway whether the information should be released or not.  But, a responsible dowser would ask questions with the L-rod or Pendulum to ascertain this anyway.

Although I have said that the 'source' does not permit the use of the L-rod or Pendulum for selfish gain, this does not include the providing of a service, whether it be finding a missing person, water, oil, minerals or whatever.  So, if the dowser is skilled then a fee can be charged for that valuable service, and is not considered as selfish monetary gain but rather payment for the person's dowsing skills. In fact, most dowswers don't even think about the money in doing their work.  What they receive in payment is due to the excellence of the service they provide and the gratitude of the client who has often been saved much expense as a result.

The beginner has to gain not only proficiency but also exhibit proven responsibility in the way they use their dowsing skills before the L-rods or Pendulum will work in very Advanced ways, but the basic dowsing techniques will work for all who are diligent and keen to learn, since the 'source' recognises this and will oblige by being accurate for the dowser who will have the right 'frame of mind', positive attitude, and above all respect for his dowsing tools and the 'source' that provides the information, whatever that information may be.  The bottom line in dowsing is that it is an Art/Science for learning and with that approach the dowser will progress well in developing and using his or her skills in those endeavours.

As final examples, in this section, of what the single L-rod can do in direction finding... it can be used as a Compass or to show the way home if you are lost in a strange area.  So, you will never be lost again.  To use it as a compass, simply instruct it to point to the North (magnetic or true) or to the Great Bear Constellation and the North Star, whichever you prefer in the circumstances for navigation.  To find your way home, instruct it to do just that, saying "Give me the direction of my route home as we go, please" and then just follow where it points.  It will know the best route for you, whether it be over hill and dale, or along various roads that will lead most quickly and easily to your desired destination (home or a town, or a place of inhabitation where you can obtain food and rest, as you choose).  As you walk simply follow the pointing rod, and when you come to where you will need to change direction (maybe along a different road or path) then the pointer will turn to indicate the new direction you should take.  If you should, for some reason, miss your turning and be continuing in what is now the wrong direction, then the L-rod will spin back in order to show you that you have passed the turning point.  So, turn around, and follow where it points and note more carefully when it changes to point in a different direction and follow that course.  If you should repeatedly cross and re-cross where you are supposed to have turned then the L-rod will assume you are belittling its intelligence, and you may end up not getting a reaction until you think better of your actions and attitude.  Only when the L-rod (and this applies to the Pendulum also) is satisfied that you have respect for its help will it comply, so a sincere apology would be a good first step in the right direction.  Even better, don't try it on it in the first place if you want to be a dowser – it's definitely not the right way to go!

In Section 4 we shall be following on to look at Information (and Spiritual) Dowsing – to see how L-rod and Pendulum users can do this, and what the essentials are.

-- End of Section 3 –

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

A very nice session indeed. It is a very good demonstration of the first few necessary stages you go through in the process of getting to know the guides and learning to be a channeler. I'll point those stages out in order to make a clear delineation of what happens. This is by all not a fixed 'method' in training, but a rough outline of the general course such sessions as we have one above take.

1) Shedding of conditioning

There needs to be an understanding of how the guides work. The concepts of 'angels','guides' and 'aliens' are heavily influenced by how one is educated and what has been heard before. It is not the goal to impose any new 'teaching' about those things, because all this will be experienced by interaction over time; it is rather important to explain misconceptions that would be a hindrance in easy communication. Let's look at an example:


Mach One says:
so if I haven't had any visions or dreams of aliens or anything of the like i'm probably not ready for contact?
MAYA - back now says:
Doesn't mean anything like that.  Some dream, some don't.  Some never feel the 'need' to read about such things as Astral Projection, and then suddenly find they are doing it. [...]
MAYA - back now says:
It is important to realize that 'spirituality' is NOT about doing this and that ........it is about common sense and intuition, as James S has pointed out - as well as myself - repeatedly.


Many people think that in order to be 'spiritual' you need to do something, like gaining certain abilities or having certain experiences. This is plaing wrong. Each individual develops in his own way with his unique experiences, and comparing to others always puts out of sight the individual factor that is involved all the time. In fact, thoughts of being inferior or 'missing' something are a hindrance in progressing - this is why Mayatnik made sure that Mach One doesn't go on with this possible misunderstanding.
In the same manner, other topics the person needs to talk about are covered, and by this eventually a relaxed and stable state is found ... the person needs to be grounded and confident in themselves before anything else can be reached.

Mach One says:
Has your guide told you anything about me?
MAYA - back now says:
No, except that you are receptive and that I can help you by talking about things that will aid you towards being 'ready'.

The guides do never give out personal details to a person if it is not necessary at the moment or would be handled wrongly. Apart from keeping the natural level of privacy and respect at all times, this also makes sure that no information is forced on someone, but provides the channeler (Mayatnik in this case) to know everything that is necessary in order to work with the person and to see what do to next, how to proceed in the conversation. Another goal behind all this talking is getting to know the person. All such conversations are done on a personal basis, with easy talking 'from the heart', at an informal level, and the openness of a person is a factor in how the guides decide to proceed. Sometimes it is just not the right time in a person's life, but when a person shows a genuine interest and has the right mind set (which is necessary) the next 'point' is reached':

2) Recognizing telepathic contact

As Mayatnik says, "It is actually much easier than you think.". If the right attitude is there, it is just a matter of doing it - no methods, no special abilties, just being calm and open to whatever is perceived on an intuitive level, and brought to expression then by the mind. The factor that is involved here is that "Society is AFRAID of 'voices' in their head". But leaving out doubts about the process of telepathy is necessary to experience what it is all about, confidently talking.... just talk as you would with any person, and see where it takes you. The confirmation and validation by someone else who has experience with it serves the purpose of giving this necessary confidence. Confidence in that this 'talking' really works.

3) Practicing and training accuracy

But this first contact is only the earliest step. From this on, accuracy is the aim... this means especially checking with the guides if everything has been understood correctly, if things have been missed, if other wording should be used etc. There is a commitment involved in order to become a good channeler to work correctly at all times with the guides as they wish, and that is a discipline. Often a first quick answer to a question is far from everything there is to be known about a topic, so there needs to be the will to understand all that is necessary, and to interact and ask questions to form the bigger picture. Things need to be discussed, and channeling needs participation from both sides. You hear something, you relate it to what you know, you ask back if this is perceived correctly, and by that get additions on side issues that are also necessary for a greater understanding.

The style of presentation is also something to consider... it can either be done 'directly', which means word for word from the guides; or 'indirectly' (a more advanced and difficult way of doing it but which is often very suitable for a particular application... the way Mayatnik often channels his guide), where you weave the guides' advice into your own words in order to present things in the best way. This also involves lots of talking and discussing about the issues at hand so the best benefit is reached, e.g. by asking certain questions or pointing to certain topics that are necessary to be explored in the indirectly channeled words. This is subtle guidance, but very effective when done properly.

On a side note, Mayatnik pointed out to me that the guides have now lifted their decision they had placed recently with regard to there being no new would-be telepathy students being considered, and this lifting, I am told by Mayatnik, is because there is now a much healthier and positive approach by many members (particularly in the Psychic Self Defence section of the forum) towards discussing things.  This does not mean, however, that if a person contacts Mayatnik, or myself or Fuzziwig or any other Telepathy Project group member that they will be automatically eligible for training. Only the guides can decide that at the time when they and they alone consider the person receptive and 'ready'. This makes clear that the guides are monitoring all input to the forums in order to decide what is to be done optimally.

So, I congratulate Nidhananda/Mach One for his quick start and wish him the best!

Kind regards to everyone else,
 Edi

xx

What is this telepathy project, how can I learn more or become involved?

I have a few questions to the zeta. Why do they believe that their way of contact between us is better than telepathy? And have they been working on me in my dreams? because I had one in which I saw a UFO? I would greatly aprecciate all answers.

Regarding Michal_E's question in the Conversation thread:

quote:
Could someone in contact with the zeta or a guide ask if an explaination addressing the shifting of the focus of your consciousness to a higher plane resulting in an AP in the simple way described by the zeta can be made available.

I can tell you of my latest experience... after working for 2 days with few sleep I lay in my bed and 'intuitively' (read: by guidance) did the following: I felt love in my heart, just as it was, then for a few seconds pulled myself together emotionally to feel bad, smaal, afraid and so on, just negative, I could feel and almost see my aura shrinking, and then again opened up and reached for love and it was like WOW... like I had stretched an emotional rubber band which then catapulted me right out of my body.
I don't suggest make feeling negativity a habit, as it's the opposite direction of where to go... it just amplified the effect here. I don't know how to call where I ended up, not RTZ, not conventional astral (where all those creepy things are supposed to be.. lol, never saw them), maybe 4th dimension, I'm not clear about all those different namings... I was in my room, could move things (this didn't reach over to physical though)... I'll do more experiments and let you know if I find something.

Probably the key to the 4th dimension is love and emotions... but I'm not sure about the lock and how to insert the key yet

goodnight,
 Edi

[ZETA]

ZETA  NOW "FRIENDLY"-TALKING TO
Two AP MEMBERS IN  'Joint Venture'* !
*Pleaidians assist in telepathic link-up to Zeta

Yes - it is true!  And now, the truth shall be known more and more about the Zeta, and what they are here for..... because, following an 'incident' last Sunday night (17 August, 2003 - a date to remember!) that 6 members of the Astral Pulse were witness to in a Multi-Chat on MSN Messenger, the Zeta are now seeking "Friendly Interchange" with humans in a Joint Venture with the Pleiadians, who have arranged in the last few days a special 'hook-up' with the Zeta for Pleiadian telepathy students here on the Astral Pulse to talk one-to-one with a Zeta Guide-Representative who will be available to answer all questions.

The 'incident' that had led to this decision being made by the Zeta following discussion they had with the Pleiadians was concerning a Zeta guide who had broken a rule of 'etiquette' by encouraging her charge (a non-member, invited into the 'chat' session) to Astral Project in what was meant to be a telepathy discussion group.  The Zeta guide had acted with the best of intentions, but had not checked with her supervisor-guide, nor had she taken heed of the fact that it was a gathering of Pleiadian guides and their charges.  The result of the Zeta guide's enthusiasm to seek to pursuade (via her charge) other members of our group to Astral Project at that time (the normal Zeta 'method' of contact, rather than by telepathy) led to confusion within our cyberspace gathering, and in fact some distress of those members present due to the shock of the unanticipated turn of events that had culminated in a strong Astral Projection felt even in cyberspace.

During the time of the incident my PC crashed (something it is very prone to doing, but on this occasion at the very worst time) and I lost contact with those in the group for about a minute.  In thiat time I realized on speaking to my guide, Karek, that things were not as we had planned.  I requested communication with Shea (the Zeta guide now in that group) but Shea declined telepathic communication without reason given (and that is a further breach of rules of cross-species etiquette in the Higher Realms) but I became aware through Karek that Shea was continuing with the purpose of an Astral Projection for the group, harmless in itself, but disturbing since not requested.  Karek then contacted the Zeta at the highest level, and Shea was immediately reprimanded by her supervisor and the Astral Projection was terminated.  Within seconds I had received the equivalent of a telepathic email from the Zeta wishing to apologise publically for this breach of etiquette by their guide.  I then typed what I'd received and proceeded to explain in brief to the group in the multi-chat what had transpired.

While in itself only a breach of etiquette, the Zeta take such things very seriously and top-level discussions then took place  with the Pleiadians who explained how I was training certain members of the Astral Pulse who the Pleiadian guides had considered 'ready' for telepathy.  The Zeta, who promised that such a breach would not occur again, were keen to explore possibilities of co-operation with the Pleiadians for selected members of our telepathy group to have "Friendly Interchange" with the Zeta, which would be good for the members and good for the Zeta who feel, as the Pleiadians do also, that humans will benefit from knowing more about the them and their purpose here at this time with the Earth Project the Zeta are already working on with the Pleiadians and other off-planet species of Higher Beings.  So it was, that a new milestone was reached last Sunday with the opportunity now that will be ongoing for humans to have contact in "information sessions"  with the Zeta as never before, and which was largely hitherto confined to such as Nancy of Zetatalk.  Thus, 17 August, 2003 will go down in Galactic History, as a brand new joint venture with humans.

I am pleased to be able to announce here, that the Pleiadian guides have selected EDI and PARMENION to be the first to talk at length with the Zeta - and those two events (which I carefully kept independent and separate from each other with no interaction between them) were recorded on MSN Messenger exactly word for word as they took place.

The system employed in the telepathy training sessions is what will be used here.  That is, when a guide is speaking to the person via telepathy then the person types what they 'hear' in their head using the initial letter of the guide's name followed by a colon and then what has actually been received.  In the case of the Zeta guide-representative we used "Z:" to indicate.  To further clarity and ease of reading, I have for the purposes of this article, specially formatted the guide's text-lines as follows.....

----- telepathic person <--- here EDI or PARMENION.
----- P: Perena speaking <--- Edi's guide
----- K: Karek speaking <-- Parmenion's guide.
----- (Karek at the moment working jointly with Parmenion and me)
----- Z: Zeta speaking <--whichever Zeta is there.
-----Myself (MAYATNIK) speaking

(I am also in touch at all times during telepathic training sessions with the person's own guide so that I can work directly and effectively in the training of the person by me following their guide's instructions via a 'private line' telepathically - and the same procedure is extended to include the Zeta here, who I am also in constant touch with during the course of the person's conversation in my 'monitoring' capacity of the event).

Below you will find the two transcripts, made public for the first time.  EDI was the very first human to communicate with the Zeta in this venture, so naturally he comes before Parmenion in order.  But Parmenion made an excellent interviewer of the Zeta when his turn came.  And, needless to say, the Zeta are highly delighted with the outcome from this first beginning and it will now become incorporated in future Zeta-Pleiadian co-operation to bring information to humans by answering  questions in this "Friendly Interchange" using telepathy thanks to the Pleiadians facilitating hook-ups with the Zeta computer by arrangement.


*EDI* talks with the Zeta

EDI says:
Hello Edward.
MAYATNIK says:
Hello Edi.  How are you now?
EDI says:
Perena asks me to tell you from her:"Edi would really like to be shown something in order to gain more confidence".
EDI says:
And I'm still a bit afraid of expressing this myself, as in the first night
MAYATNIK says:
Perena has told me what she would like me to do with you, in a session.  And it will expand your knowledge at the same time.
EDI says:
I felt this night right to ask about it.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes...... it will be very good for you.
I am trying to clear another window, then we can start the session.... hang on.......
MAYATNIK says:
When will it be quiet in your house for this session Edi?
EDI says:
It is quiet now - everyone is sleeping, and normally no one comes looking for the computer. My mother goes to the toilet every 3 hours, the last time 20 minutes ago, so I should be undisturbed now.
MAYATNIK says:
That is good.  We are nearly ready now.
EDI says:
I am thankful for whatever will come and appreciate the time you put into this.
MAYATNIK says:
It is your time for these things.  The guides choose the time.
MAYATNIK says:
Finally.........the decks are cleared..... and we can now be undisturbed.
EDI says:
Okay
MAYATNIK says:
Has Perena told you anything about the Zeta?
EDI says:
No
MAYATNIK says:
Do you know anything about them yourself?
EDI says:
I know they are an alien race, and what I read in your posts on AP... Just an alien species. And I know zetatalk.com
MAYATNIK says:
Well, essentially....they are the ones who fly the 'flying saucers'. Also, they are different from the Pleiadians in the way they talk.  They are very 'etiquette' conscious, and like 'correctness' and 'politeness' at all times.  Also, they tend to be very 'work minded', always 'busy' doing something....going somewhere or coming back from somewhere to go somewhere else to do another job.
MAYATNIK says:
Can you picture them from that description?
EDI says:
Yes, I get a feeling about them
MAYATNIK says:
that's good....because you need to get a 'diplomatic' feel about how they see themselves.
MAYATNIK says:
they are very interested now in talking to people, so that humans can get to know them better - and I was given a small list of those selected by the Pleiadians who are now jointly working with them on this particular venture..... for those humans to take part in conversation with a Zeta guide-representive, and who I am going to help introduce to them......starting with you.
EDI says:
I'm so interested in other species and cultures... I thought about this before.
EDI says:
I wanted to know how other species live their life - what they do all they, their culture, their people, and so on.
MAYATNIK says:
Well, this cropped up as a very practical issue last night, as you will be aware from what I have told you about the 'incident' that occurred in a multi-chat... and which has now brought about this opportunity for you to talk to the Zeta, following joint Zeta-Pleiadian agreement for this to take place under the supervision of your Pleiadian guide who is making all necessary arrangements here
MAYATNIK says:
You may talk about anything that you like regarding the Zeta......and also about such things as the so-called 'abductions' that the Zeta do.  Feel free in your questioning.  All that is required is to be 'diplomatic' at all times since this is standard galactic convention in telepathy, and have an obvious air of sincere politeness in addressing them.  They will respond always in a polite manner.
MAYATNIK says:
Ok?
EDI says:
Yes
EDI says:
I'm a bit nervous, but I have courage and trust my guidance
MAYATNIK says:
That's all you have to do.............it will be easy.... First we are going to get good contact with your own guide (the Zeta have their guide-representative standing by) and then Perena will connect you (jsut like a telephone link-up) when she feels you are comfortable...so we'll talk first with Perena.
MAYATNIK says:
Contact Perena now please, Edi
EDI says:
I am talking with her now.
MAYATNIK says:
(type everything you say, and everything said to you......use Z:  for Zeta and P: to preced whatever your guide Perena says)
EDI says:
P: Concentrate on my voice Edi
EDI says:
P: This is good
EDI says:
P: I will hook you up when you are ready
EDI says:
Okay, I think we can begin
MAYATNIK says:
I'll just watch for now.
EDI says:
P: Here we go...
EDI says:
Z: Hello Edi
EDI says:
I am pleased to meet you.
EDI says:
Z: The pleasure is on my side, too.
EDI says:
Z: We are interested in talking to humans, and I think you will be interested in talking to us, too.
EDI says:
Please understand that this is still uncommon for me and I need a few minutes to get familiar with it. I would like to talk about what is going on with Earth at the moment and in the near future.
EDI says:
Z: I understand. What area are you interested in?
EDI says:
I learned that several species oversee the evolution at the Earth at the moment. I would be interested in the role your species, the Zeta, play here.
EDI says:
Z: We are here to bring information to the human race in our ways, which are different from those of other races.
EDI says:
What is this information about, and how do you get it "down" on earth?
EDI says:
I learned that the species involved use something we would call a "computer" to access this world and to interact with humans.
EDI says:
Z: Yes, we use what you call a "computer" to bring information to the consciousness of humans. But we also use it to gather information to see how everything progesses, and what actions to take best.
EDI says:
Z: Our link to the human mind is made by altering it's state of consciousness - you call it trance, astral projection, meditation - even drug experiences are what whe work with.
EDI says:
Z: The overall goal is to awaken the humans to their full potential, to help them get rid of their barriers.
EDI says:
Z: And to finally evolve and take the next evolutionary leap.
EDI says:
Is your computer able to control Astral Projections?
EDI says:
Z: Yes. What humans can do by themselves, we can assist with our computer.
EDI says:
Z: We can take them out of their bodies if they are willing to, or if they sleep, and give them information this way.
EDI says:
P: Edi would be very interested in seeing how this works.
EDI says:
Z: It is not difficult to do.
EDI says:
I have been practicing Astral Projection, but with no big success. Is it possible that you show me how you computer does this?
EDI says:
Z: It does require physical relaxation, which you do not have sufficiently at the moment.
EDI says:
If it'll be possible to talk to you later, I would be glad to talk about this again when I am in a more comfortable position.
EDI says:
Z: You may contact us at any time.
EDI says:
Another topic I have some questions about is: abductions.
EDI says:
Z: This is something commonly misperceived.
EDI says:
The overall image is that people get abducted, suffer from pain, get back on earth and tell horror stories of aliens.
EDI says:
Z: There are two causes for this wrong image. First, the human mind often is not ready to accept what it perceives and makes up a story in his mind. When someone doesn't believe that everything was fine, he may construct something which fits his view of the world. This is the case when people are afraid of everything which has to do with aliens, when they are following the image they are given from their governments via the media.
EDI says:
Z: Second, many of the "abduction accounts" are simply faked to provoke fear.
EDI says:
What does in fact happen when someone gets abducted, taken on an extraterrestrial ship?
EDI says:
Z: One thing is: the genetic material and the state of the evolving body is checked, in order that further planning can be done, and to see how everything develops.
EDI says:
Z: Then, information is given to individuals. They may not remember it consciously, but it will affect their behaviour, it is like an electromagnetic imprint which is influencing it's environment.
EDI says:
Z: This is information about: what is going to happen with earth and the humans; what the world governments are up to; what personal things the individual should address to further his growth and the growth of his environment.
EDI says:
Z: Note that only few of these "abductions" are done by using physical ships. In fact, we work much with people while they sleep.
EDI says:
I remember a "dream" from some days ago - I was in a distant place when I was being invited to an alien ship by 2 creatures. Are the Zetas in any way related to this "dream"?
EDI says:
Z: It was not we who took you on the ship in this dream.
EDI says:
P: It was a Pleiadian scene you were in.
EDI says:
Z: Do you have more questions?
EDI says:
There are many things I am interested in. For now: Can you tell me of the role you are playing in this earth scenario?
EDI says:
Z: I cannot tell you too much now, but you can know that I am working in the area of communication with humans. Direct communication. There are many organisational things to do in the background, and many things which are not directly related to communicating face-to-face (or mind-to-mind) with humans.
EDI says:
Z: I am a guide for some humans, giving them information and helping them to grow.
EDI says:
I thank you for this information.
EDI says:
I am curious about your people. I know that you are overseeing the evolution of the earth, but what is the whole of your people doing? Is every Zeta being watching the Earth, or do you too have cities, people who work and do their duties, build houses and live a "normal" life?
EDI says:
Z: We do originate from a distant part of this universe, where we have planets with cities on it, where "normal" life takes place, as you call it. But everyone is aware of what is happening here. A portion of our people came to Earth to assist actively in this development.
EDI says:
I would really enjoy meeting end experiencing your people and your culture.
EDI says:
Z: You will, if you want to. You can ask your guide to contact us at any time, so we can either talk or later show you what you are interested in by using our methods.
EDI says:
I thank you for this generous offer.
EDI says:
Z: We will be glad to establish a friendly flowing of information between our species.
EDI says:
Do you have any questions, or something I could answer you from my point of view?
MAYATNIK says:
(I got cut off - your last message was:
Do you have any questions, or something I could answer you from my point of view?
EDI says:
This talk was quite exhausting .. a bit "formal" and rigid maybe
MAYATNIK says:
Did I miss anything when I was cut off?  There was no answer after your question I repasted above......so no end to the conversation apperently
EDI says:
The answer was
"Z: No, thank you very much. As we are looking from the "outside" to the "inside", we can see and know more than you can imagine."
EDI says:
Then i said "Then, as I don't have any questions left myself, I think it's time to finish this conversation. I thank you ver much for being able to talk to you and for the information I received."
EDI says:
and
"Z: It was a pleasure to talk to you. I wish you a good night."
EDI says:
(cut&paste doesn't work, but I can type fast)
MAYATNIK says:
That is excellent....... I just missed all that......there was no 'edi is typing' message on my screen, and nothing came through.... so that is now everything in the converstion, for the log.  good.
EDI says:
I will like to learn more about these computers and see what they do
MAYATNIK says:
they are fascinating....and unlike ours they don't break down
EDI says:
Yes... telepathy is nice, but I am missing some vivid colours, something happening, something to see, if you know what I mean... I'd like to see the computer doing something with me.
MAYATNIK says:
We'll see.
EDI says:
What do you think of this conversation?
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta work a different way.......their 'operating system' is different, so they will tend to want to use their 'methods' to show people things, especially if a person has a Zeta guide......and which they have offered to do, for you also even though your guide is Pleiadian..... You can however 'see' these things by also asking Perena to 'connect' you (that is the Pleiadian system - to 'take you' there, on invitation - and it is faster than the Zeta computer, in fact virtually instant)... so all that is open to you.....'in full colour' as you put it.
MAYATNIK says:
Ask Perena about this.
EDI says:
P: I can hook up your consciousness to different places via our computer.
MAYATNIK says:
As for the conversation....it was excellent......you had a very good 'rapport' there, and I was getting good reports from the Zeta also on this.  They are highly pleased with the conversation.
EDI says:
The voice was low and in the beginning a bit .. metallish  But I got used to it quickly.
EDI says:
I sortof "see" the zeta voice in the lower left part of my mind, and perena is in the upper right.
EDI says:
That's how I can distinguish easily... everyone has his space in my mind.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes.  That splits it well.
EDI says:
I just can't think of a place I'd like to be connected to... hmm
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta are quite 'formal' sounding in their conversation......so now you have experienced another off-planet culture that is very old.
EDI says:
Uncommon, but nice.
MAYATNIK says:
they are very much the Mr Spock of the Enterprise type personality (they don't mind me saying this...lol)
EDI says:
Hehe  =)
EDI says:
Everyone has to play his role.
MAYATNIK says:
The reports I was getting from the Zeta side during that conversation were that they are now planning for more of this type of communication using telepathy with those who are Pleiadian trained (such as yourself) and in that way build a very friendly interchange of information between humans and themselves.
EDI says:
That will be very nice
MAYATNIK says:
You are the FIRST in this new venture!
EDI says:
Well, I'm not too excited about it, but I really appreciate it
EDI says:
(excitement is something I am missing since the beginning )
MAYATNIK says:
It has been done before, obviously - I did it myself when I was training......but it has never been done in a 'formal' sense as part of a program (such as we are undertaking with the Pleiadians here)
EDI says:
I understand
MAYATNIK says:
Why do you think the excitement is missing.
EDI says:
Ah okay, it is not missing, it just isn't there
EDI says:
I just accept what comes
EDI says:
Without big turmoil
MAYATNIK says:
Do you feel you are somehow now 'intergalactic' in your perception, and that it is becoming as easy as breathing.
MAYATNIK says:
?
EDI says:
Yes, I feel that I am opening to a much bigger world around me
EDI says:
Which I will want to explorer with all senses and tools which are available to me
MAYATNIK says:
The telephone that you first got was exciting the first time.....but now you treat it as normal, and even necessary, in 'everyday' communication....and that you are concentrating more now on what can be done with it, rather than the 'facility' itself.
EDI says:
Exactly.
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta and Perena wish me to ask you may I post this conversation with the Zeta on the site...at the appropriate time.....since this will greatly help the understanding of humans regarding the Zeta
MAYATNIK says:
Perena knows all about this, so ask her please.
EDI says:
P: There will be more information on the board regarding the different species, and who play what role in what is to come.
EDI says:
I agree that it's posted at the appropriate time if it will help.
EDI says:
It is good.. over time, this will grow really big.
MAYATNIK says:
Well, I shall have moved on before too long...and others will be coming in to further it.
MAYATNIK says:
Now..... As you have been told by the Zeta guide-representative......you are welcome to talk to them at any time, and even experience for yourself how they do things - but as they have said, that is more suitable for when you are really relaxed, or in bed...  For our purposes online especially, here and in any training sessions, the Pleiadian system of instant connection is more appropriate and of course is ideal for Messenger....typing what you see.......
EDI says:
P: Maybe we can show Edi how to use this instant connection, if you like to.
MAYATNIK says:
(Unlike the standard Zeta system of AP-ing and 'trance', you would be fully conscious and at the keyboard while that is occurring.....like Parenion's transcript of his similar experience that he posted some time back)
MAYATNIK says:
That would be a good idea Perena....... because it is really very easy, as Parmenion demonstrated.
EDI says:
And I would like it very much, probably.
MAYATNIK says:
probably is an understatement Edi...as Parmenion would tell you.  It will be a very good experience if Perena will do this for you.
EDI says:
P: He is just laying a conversation on ice so he is free.. then we can begin
MAYATNIK says:
Ok.
EDI says:
P: Good.. we can begin
EDI says:
P: Type what I say, and what you experience
EDI says:
P: Ask me to hook you up to the place I want you to see (it's normal to ask for it, so we do it here)
EDI says:
Perena, please hook me up to the place you want me to see.
EDI says:
I experience just a bit a cold feeling in my palms.. nothing else
EDI says:
P: You have to allow yourself to go
EDI says:
P: Just give me some time
EDI says:
P: And keep your eyes open.
EDI says:
I experience... just the room I am sitting in, my normal surroundings.
EDI says:
Typing this into the computer
EDI says:
Hearing the sound of the computer fans
MAYATNIK says:
Try to see the image before you......sense it.. the area that you are 'in' (not the room...... where the image is) and allow yourself to expand your consciousness to see and feel it, be there
MAYATNIK says:
Try to see and be with the image before you
EDI says:
Like with my physical eyes, or in my mind?
MAYATNIK says:
It is your 'inner' eye......your true consciousness (your physical eyes simply connect to your body)
EDI says:
I can sense something... a faint image in my inner eye
EDI says:
P: What color do you see?
EDI says:
White
EDI says:
I feel something moving to the left
MAYATNIK says:
(defucus your eyes..and let yourself 'see' the new surroundings)
MAYATNIK says:
that's good < --- * Perena had confirmed progress ot me 'privately' *
MAYATNIK says:
you can turn your physical head...... or sense your consciousness turning its head.
EDI says:
a strange feeling is there, but i don't see much
MAYATNIK says:
then go by the 'feeling', sense it that way
MAYATNIK says:
listen for any 'voces' (they will be telepathic) ..'look' to see where they are coming from, look for a figure
EDI says:
it's like someone waving a hand there... trying to get my attention
MAYATNIK says:
that's it....you've got it !
EDI says:
in a long brown robe
MAYATNIK says:
you're there !
EDI says:
I'm not quite sure of the surroundings
EDI says:
P: Describe
EDI says:
A conveyor belt to the left?
EDI says:
P: no.. look again
EDI says:
The ground starts to get green
EDI says:
like grass
EDI says:
in the middle of the image there's something brown...
EDI says:
like a hut maybe
EDI says:
P: Yes
EDI says:
The person in the robe is giving me signs to come to him
EDI says:
P: Just use your will and go there
EDI says:
Am I there with a body?
EDI says:
P: Look down..
EDI says:
I see my body
EDI says:
P: It depends on where you are if the others can see you
EDI says:
The person says "Nice to meet you"
EDI says:
I ask "Who are you?"
EDI says:
He: "I am just someone living in this hut..."
EDI says:
"Did you know that I'll come?"
EDI says:
He: "No, it took me totally by surprise.. not many people are passing here"
EDI says:
Mayatnik, am I doing it right?
MAYATNIK says:
You're doing very well indeed.
MAYATNIK says:
Perena will guide you
EDI says:
I hear birds in the trees ... a river...
EDI says:
P: Look around you - either turn your head or use 360° awareness, whatever you like
EDI says:
There's a forest around the wood... The hut is built at the edge of a clearing
EDI says:
a forest around the _hut_ I mean.
EDI says:
P: Ask the person if he can teach you something
EDI says:
He: "If you like to, yes. Follow me into the hut"
EDI says:
he goes to the door, opens it
EDI says:
it's not so dark inside, there's a violet light.. violet and red
EDI says:
P: Enter
EDI says:
P: What is this light like?
EDI says:
it's on the walls... and crossing the room in solid beams.. or like a liquid
EDI says:
red lines on violet background
EDI says:
He: "Imagining being in a field of this colors has a certain effect on you"
EDI says:
P: Feel how it is like
EDI says:
it gives strength and determination
EDI says:
P: Exactly!
EDI says:
He: "You can summon such a field around yourself whenever you need to accomplish something... when you have to be strong and stable"
EDI says:
I'm back on the outside
EDI says:
the man said goodbye ...
EDI says:
P: Raise yourself over the scenery and look
EDI says:
I see big forests... a river to the right.. mountains in the distance.. a beautiful scenery
EDI says:
P: Okay, this is it.
EDI says:
P: We're done with this little excursion.
EDI says:
Okay ...
EDI says:
This was ... nice
EDI says:
I expected to see more vividly before my eyes... it's still faint before my inner eye, but that will develop I think.
EDI says:
P: You will grow into it
MAYATNIK says:
This was a first time....and it is like using muscles for the first time.....they become second-nature after they've been used......but just take a few times to get used to... next 'visit' will be easier.
EDI says:
Okay, I'll train with Perena.
MAYATNIK says:
Excellent.
EDI says:
it's probably the same as with telepathy
MAYATNIK says:
It is
EDI says:
thank you for this
MAYATNIK says:
You have an additional 'facility' now
EDI says:
P: I was training before with Edi to see images and short scenes in his mind this way, and so prepared him.
EDI says:
Good... when I'm in bed I'll ask about out-of-body exploration with the Zetas... I'm curious about everything
MAYATNIK says:
You did that well Edi.... now you know how to let yourself 'go' there
EDI says:
Yes.. it's a reality which is always there, but my inner eye is so undeveloped because I never paid attention to it.
EDI says:
P: Exactly... when you astral project, you have only these inner senses without the disturbances of the physical body, that's why it may seem easier.
MAYATNIK says:
Even the 'awareness' to see your surroundings, and to move within them became clearer how to do it as you went on..... became instinctive.
EDI says:
P: Either you AP, or you go there in your mind while in your body... in the end, it's the same.
EDI says:
Intent is everything there.. I just "do" it
EDI says:
and I "am" it
MAYATNIK says:
That's all there is to it.......just to 'do' it.
MAYATNIK says:
distance, even where in time, is no different.....you just 'go'.
EDI says:
I'm getting a hold on all this non-physical things ... now I just need training to percieve more clearly
MAYATNIK says:
Perena will train you.
EDI says:
And I would really like to learn techniques to shut of the physical senses to go there and see only with the inner senses
MAYATNIK says:
I am here to help you get started, that's all.
EDI says:
P: I and the Zetas will assist you in this
EDI says:
You're the kick-start which get's everything running
MAYATNIK says:
I'm the Cranking-Handle.
EDI says:
Yes...
MAYATNIK says:
I've done all these things that you are beginning to learn about now.... so I can look from "above" and co-ordinate with the guides.....
EDI says:
It must be wonderful to see and live clearly in these realms
MAYATNIK says:
I'm able to check what you are seeing (go there myself) and also talk to any guides Zeta or Pleiadian and receive instructions from them what to do next, or to let them do (such as letting Perena explain rather than me in places)
EDI says:
I see... that's a good set-up indeed
MAYATNIK says:
That is how the tuition works so fast
EDI says:
Seems like those species got a well devised plan =)
MAYATNIK says:
Messenger is a good 'format' for the initial stages...because the typing actually helps speed up the confidence.
EDI says:
Yes.. every night on MSN with you is a quantum leap forward.
EDI says:
And Perena gets me to type things even if I am shy of expressing it myself
MAYATNIK says:
I am here for when the guides want me to do something....when a person is ready for the next 'stage'.
MAYATNIK says:
We shall pick the right time for me to post your telepathy with the Zeta, for the maximum interest of members.
EDI says:
P: We'll see when it fits best
MAYATNIK says:
The guides keep a careful check on what is happening in the threads.
EDI says:
That's no surprise
EDI says:
I wonder if they have a internet dial-up on their mothership .. lol
MAYATNIK says:
Ask Perena..... lol
EDI says:
She says
"no need to dial in.." ... they can access it easily with their technology
MAYATNIK says:
Exactly !
MAYATNIK says:
(no dial-up fees either)
EDI says:
lol
EDI says:
This is where I want to lead humanity.. internet without dial-up fees!
MAYATNIK says:
When you were doing your hook-up with the Zeta......the Zeta all had a connection with Messenger, and were following the typing as you wrote !  You didn't know you were reaching a mass Zeta audience!
EDI says:
Oh my god! =)
MAYATNIK says:
They said, "Don't tell him until afterwards.....but we are all following this with great interest"
EDI says:
That is really nice
EDI says:
If you had told me I had been nervous... I played in a theater group once, I know how it feels to be on stage
MAYATNIK says:
The galactic Zeta 'audience' loved you......they are very interested and caring about human beings.
MAYATNIK says:
As you get more advanced, you too will be able to get instant 'traffic' and the equivalent of emails from different sources, while you are doing something else.
EDI says:
I already imagined something like that... as Perena can't always give me something, e.g. when I'm not listening, busy or whatever.. I can at some time ask "Perena, do I have new mail?" .. Sounds really funny.
MAYATNIK says:
This is it !
EDI says:
Intuition finds its ways, it seems
MAYATNIK says:
Karek will say to me, "Don't bother watching the News..there's nothing on much till later tonight.  We'll let you know"
EDI says:
That's nice
MAYATNIK says:
Also both Zeta and Pleiadians monitor all the TV and radio transmissions.
EDI says:
Interesting.. I'll have much to find, I'm eager to learn
EDI says:
This night has revealed itself to be very inspiring and productive
EDI says:
P: As I told you this evening.
MAYATNIK says:
Why don't you ask Perena now........about the TV... and what is 'monitored' and why.
EDI says:
P: We are mostly interested in the news - what gets presented to the broad masses by their leaders.
EDI says:
P: We also look at how the other entertaining movies etc. affect people's mind
EDI says:
P: What emotions are being provoked
EDI says:
P: We need to be informed because we want to heal the media conditioning... the rigid mind-set which is enforced by watching TV.
EDI says:
P: Ideas and emotions are transmitted by the media.
EDI says:
Okay....
EDI says:
Well, I think it'll be time for me to go to bed.. I'd like to finish before my parents get up
EDI says:
P: And he desperately needs to go the toilet =)
MAYATNIK says:
It has been very productive tonight.
EDI says:
Yes... everything.
MAYATNIK says:
I shall make a drink now, before my next 'appointment schedule'.
EDI says:
I'm (as always) really thankful for what you show me
MAYATNIK says:
Now you can continue those things with Perena.....and you have the Zeta also.  So, many new horizons are opening up now.
EDI says:
I'll take the time to explore those
EDI says:
I'll retreat to the mountains again tomorrow... and this time, I'll be alone and undisturbed.
MAYATNIK says:
You get some much deserved sleep now.
EDI says:
I'll enjoy it... as I know that learning goes on while I sleep
EDI says:
I'm not really tired, but sleeping is good nevertheless
MAYATNIK says:
It does indeed.........and the great thing is....that you can talk to Perena (or the Zeta now, whenever Perena connects you) while you're in bed relaxed.........
EDI says:
Exactly
EDI says:
That's what I'm going to do now
EDI says:
I'll enjoy having lots of aliens in my bed
MAYATNIK says:
lol......... Auf Wiedersehen !  Guten Nacht Edi !


*PARMENION* talks with the Zeta

Parmenion says:
Good morning!
Parmenion says:
You get any sleep?
MAYATNIK says:
Not yet.
Parmenion says:
Sooooo what's the Plan of Action?
MAYATNIK says:
How are you doing with karek?
Parmenion says:
Ok
Parmenion says:
Talking every day, many times a day
Parmenion says:
I'm no longer doubting or worrying about it, I just keep chatting
MAYATNIK says:
that's good.
MAYATNIK says:
What does Karek say at this moment, about the situation regarding the Zeta and so forth?
Parmenion says:
Is it time for me to talk?.........
K: "Definately"
MAYATNIK says:
Then can Karek just tell you briefly what we can do this morning?
Parmenion says:
'hook-up' to the Zeta where I will talk with one or more of them
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta are standing by, and are happy to have a "friendly interchange" with you, and answer any questions. Have you got a number of questions already?
Parmenion says:
I would say no....but theres plenty of questions 'up in the air'. I hadn't given thought to what to ask to be honest
Parmenion says:
Questions wont be a problem I imagine
MAYATNIK says:
If you just talk, then the questions should easily flow.
Parmenion says:
Exactly
MAYATNIK says:
Are you ready to hook-up to the Zeta now, Karek.....and how will you do this?
Parmenion says:
K: I am ready. I will make the connection
MAYATNIK says:
Ok. Then I'll leave it with you to initiate - and you'll obviously be there to assist Parmenion during the course of the conversation if needed. I shall observe and keep in touch with you karek and the Zeta from this end, as Parmenion talks to them, and in that way I will monitor.
Parmenion says:
K: Ok. Leave it with us. All will be fine
Parmenion says:
Z: Hello
Parmenion says:
who am I speaking with?
Parmenion says:
Z: we are a group chosen to represent the Zeta in comunicating with you
Parmenion says:
you'll have to excuse me if Im a little slow, I am typing this as we speak
Parmenion says:
Z: that is ok
Parmenion says:
Z: Is there something you wish to ask us?
Parmenion says:
There are many questions I wish to ask
Parmenion says:
Z: start from the beginning
Parmenion says:
what is your purpose here at this time?
Parmenion says:
Z: we wish to explain to you the nature of our relationship with humans
Parmenion says:
Z: we are here to help
Parmenion says:
Is your area of assistance primarily focused on the Pole Shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes it is
Parmenion says:
Z: We are here to assist in many ways to prepare humanity for the huge changes that are coming
Parmenion says:
Have you been here for long?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes we have
Parmenion says:
Z: Time is not the same for us
Parmenion says:
Z: this is a very special time for earth and humanity
Parmenion says:
What exactly is going to happen?
Parmenion says:
Z: there is going to be a huge shift is conciousness on this planet. The Pole shift is a part of the process that will take earth to the next level
Parmenion says:
Of conciousness?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes
Parmenion says:
Z: We are here to prepare you for that
Parmenion says:
Will many people die at the time of the pole shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes many people will die
Parmenion says:
Why is this neccessary?
Parmenion says:
Z: It is necessary so that the earth can begin the trancendance from the 3rd Dimension
Parmenion says:
What will happen to governments?
Parmenion says:
Z: they will no longer exist
Parmenion says:
people will rally together?
Parmenion says:
Z: in a way yes. Small groups of people will remain with one or two people to lead these groups. The groups will come together to form little communities.It will be a much more peacefully time
Parmenion says:
really?
Parmenion says:
Z: yes, there will not be feuds or wars as they exist today
Parmenion says:
How do you go about preparing people for this Pole Shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: We let certain people know what to do in the

Thank you Mayatnik... I`ve been waiting this posts in a while now
I`ll read them right now... I wanted to reply to be the first one who says anything

Mike

Hello Mayatnik,

There are a couple of things in this rather lengthy introduction of yours that I would like to see clarified, as I believe myself to be one of the "culprits" who have sought to make sure the information being given when using the pendulum is accurate.

Firstly, there is what I see as an inconsistency in your writing:
(I will not put this in the traditional encapsulated quote format as I know you have difficulties in reading this text)
"In the last couple of weeks (at the time of writing) there has grown among several members a significant degree of confusion as to what the Pendulum is all about – and this has now reached such an extent that a couple of members had decided to devise questions and a method to 'test' the validity of the Pendulum to give correct answers. No matter how good the intent, that approach will not work...because (as any Dowser will tell you, and there are a vast number worldwide in virtually every country), the Pendulum has a mind of its own. So, by testing its 'validity' it can only be a test of whether it is worth using or not. And, since the Pendulum has never shown a will to be 'tested', in the many hundreds of years that it's use has been documented, it has invariably given wrong (or 'trick') answers when such an attitude is adopted."

In this statement you are ascribing a form of consciousness to the pendulum itsself - a mind of its own, a will to be tested.

"The Dowsing 'tool', whether it be L-Rod or Pendulum, has its particular uses and methods depending on the field of investigation – but it is always a tool for investigation, and always the accent should be on homing-in on the answer and not blind acceptance of an answer or doubt as to whether the Pendulum is accurate."

Here you describe it as a tool, where a thoughtful approach should be taken whithout blind acceptance of an answer or doubt as to its accuracy. I might not be getting what you mean here but that seems self contradictory.

In my work as a computer technician I use a digital multimeter to test for voltages in a circuit and for correct function of electronic components. If I am unwilling to have this multimeter tested and calibrated by the manufacturer periodically, I cannot trust it to give me accurate information as I require.

The way I see the pendulum, and indeed the way I have used the pendulum in the past, for dowsing chakras, is as an inanimate object that is simply a tool for providing information. It is not itself a conscious entity and I will not treat it as such. When I do use it for dowsing my chakras, I first test and "calibrate" the pendulum by checking its motion on a known good and clear chakra. I then go on to chakras that might be a problem, and because of the preparation of the pendulum I have already done, I can trust that it will give me accurate information.

In this respect, or in the respect that you are presenting the use of the pendulum, which by the way is certainly nothing new or revolutionary as you have quite well pointed out, it is not the pendulum as a tool itself that should be questioned if it is checked and "calibrated" before use.

My greatest concern in this subject has always been with people new to using the pendulum for the purposes of channelling spirits taking due care and caution with the information they are recieving through the pendulum. I have seen blind faith in the answers given. I have seen leading questions used and confirmation bias lead people to answers that should be questioned. If in a particular case someone gets a answer for the affirmative, and they are unsure of the source of that answer, then they should also test the case for the negative to see if the original answer still holds true.

This is not the pendulum as a tool being tested itself, this is the source of the information communicating through the tool that should be questioned. The basic "how to" of using the pendulum, to know how a simple yes or no is indicated, should be well and truly bedded down before trying to channel spirit entities.

To restate my basic views of the pendulum - it is a tool and nothing more. It is up to the individual as to how they use that tool and what they do with the information they gain from it. I have only sought to make people aware of some basic failings in human deductive reasoning that needs to be addressed in any method of research or information gathering.

Kind regards,
James.

Wow, that's a long post, but full of information! It's very interesting. Can you only ask no/yes question? You can't make some sort of ouija board set up where it points to certain letters/numbers?

This pendulum can be made out of anything, you say?

Hmmm. It sounds interesting. Maybe I'll try it.

Thanks for the information.

—Kyle of the Squirrel