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quote:Originally posted by Quiet_Storm

Anyone have any useful techniques to help neck, shoulder, back and chest relaxation?

The only real tension I get is in my back, and I would just suggest some stretching before laying down.

practicing astal projection while your high is not a good idea because the more you get high when you do it the worse things are going to happen to you in the astal world. so i wouldnt practice this very often.

I really enjoyed reading David Icke's books, and alot of the other literature he has produced. Its odd how people can go through their entire lives beliving what their told, never asking questions, never knowing the "truth", so to speak, if it is indeed the truth. Personally its one of my favorite books.

anyone?

It is said that we can open and close our 3rd Eye anytime we like. There is also one method of opening our third eye in which we have to visulise our third eye blinking with our natural eyes and feel it's lid moving.

The half-hazard furniture thing is because you were in the Astral Dimension. In there old thoughts fade slowly and new thoughts also increase slowly. So it might be that the other furniture might have been kept in your room years ago and thus you get it's impressions.

What's your size?[]

Energy raising in your tummy might make the process faster.

Er, have you tried supergluing them shut?

Just kidding.

Seriously, I had the same trouble, but I just let them open then shut again, and eventually it went away.[]

Here's a good site by the veritas...

http://members.fortunecity.com/kisociety/undergroundsociety/index.html

You can even go to...

http://www.veritasonline.net

http://www.psipog.net

for information on psi, kinesis and a little ki.

any thoughts people?

Greetings Quiet_Storm,

Pritchard of mysticweb/gnosticweb claims to be an incarnation of the demon beelzebub - that is his own claim.

I can't go into too many details, but he threatened someone I know and have immense respect for in the Astral, while apparently attacking a particular white organisation with his cohorts. Both himself and his cohorts have apparently been demonised, that is to say made pacts with demons in return for various powers. They also appear to be associated with a very dark and dangerous physically based organisation. These pacts extend beyond more than one lifetime. He was apparently seen with a scar on his Astral face which is the mark of a demon.

It seems possible that the organisation is recruiting with the objective of gaining more victims. They teach conjurations which could easily have negative effects for those that practice them.

While it is very difficult to prove all of this in the physical world, the evidence in the Astral is much clearer, and in view of the potentially enormous risks you would be advised to stay well clear.

Please note that the people voicing these concerns in the Astral Pulse are doing so with the best of intentions, we do not run any courses or offer other things offered by mysticweb/gnosticweb.

With best regards,

Adrian.

Lucid dreaming and OBE are the same, or almost. IN OBE you are more conscious and lucid than in lucide dreaming. OBE starts from awake while lucid dreaming starts from a dream. Any how OBE can happen very close to the physical world, and then everything will look like in the physical world. But that world is subject to change any time. An OBE can easily turn into a dream like world, and it is still an OBE. For example if someone is disoriented in an OBE (because of the panoramic vision) then things start to happen, like a door is not at its place, and when you open it, you will not find what you expected there, because your mind has to make up for the rest that is not in the physical world (since the door does not seem to be where it is supposed to be, then where it leads is unknown and your mind is making it up). In other words: the astral world can be changed by our thoughts and mind, it is not fixed. Only when the gody is completely idle or in a coma or dead, is the OBE very close to the physical. You must reach a high level of energy to get to the physical-like astral world. Keep us informed of your experiences, thanks!

i'm going to say yes, you do need real-time sight to project into the real-time zone.  i would imagine if you were projecting into the higher astral planes that you wouldn't necessarily need it, but anyone can feel free to make me look wrong .  i wasn't ever able to project until a few days ago, and it always starts off with being able to see through my eyelids before exiting the body - i mean, you have to have some sense of direction and reality, right?

It sounds to me like you were on the verge of an OBE.  Seeing your hands and feet floating behind your closed eyelids is common with astral sight.  I don't know why the rope technique didn't work, it might next time, maybe you just need more first hand experience at that stage with the rope technique.  All the symptoms sound like you were close to getting out of your body.  Perhaps all the thinking about your balls and what not was too much thought wandering... next time try to simply go with the flow and don't think about the concequences... let curiosity drive you and let whatever happens happen.