Topics

Hi All

In some of my recent out of body experiences I have been commanding myself to travel to the Halls of Amenti. This was stimulated after listening to a Darius J Wright podcast (funny but never heard of this place before). Anyhow every time I travel there  I'm literally in a dark void with what looks like several brightly lit / golden hexagon shapes that appear to be flat / non 3 dimensional. They will then spin into what then looks like a large cylindrical  coil. Next a blue mist will then coil around me, this freaks me out and I then wake up.

Is the Halls of Amenti a place which is open to interpretation and I will not see the same place as Darius describes? If I can overcome the fear I was thinking of moving towards the hexagon shapes, it's just this wierd blue mist that coils around me which is throwing me off.

Guys this is driving me crazy, I had probably about at least 3 or more OBEs per week for many years/decades, and my experiences became very mature and controlled in the latter years, but for some reason they stopped suddenly about 2 years ago.

Since then external factors such as a new position at work (higher workload + stress) and the birth of my twins could be contributing factors  , but nonetheless I feel somewhat depressed loosing what I thought was a unique gift.

Every night at bed I'm thinking about possible OBE experiences but nothing ever avails (mine always happened from sleep). However I still have very detailed lucid dreams (as I did as a child prior to OBEs occurring), but so far it remains as is with nothing more than a lucid dream.

I remember reading a book stating that OBEs can just stop in mid/late adulthood and never return, has anyone ever had this and found some way to re-kickstart the experiences again?

Does anyone have any experiences during their initial exit from their body of being pulled by some entity in what I would call an uncontrolled or forced exit?

Most of my out of body exits are fairly consistent and follow what I would label the more generic mechanics of a controlled OBE exit.  However on past occasions I have experienced what appears to be an illuminated type entity lifting me out of body during my initial exit and then disappearing. Only on one occasion I had a full clear graphical encounter of this entity which completely frightened me, and I have always thought of it as a negative type force.

These specific type of experiences disappeared for a while, but last week I had an OBE where I felt my body being pulled out in a different manner and as I was rising from my bed (facing downwards towards my bed) I turned my head  and something was attached to my arm pulling me up quite aggressively towards the ceiling.

On occasions where I have experienced these exits it's only the exit itself that was of concern but once exiting the entity disappeared and my OBE experience carried on as normal.  I have no idea if this is just some fantasy driving element during my OBE or something I should be more cautious of or perhaps the opposite less fearful and more welcoming towards. 

I have an automatic or self-winding watch and I have noticed when wearing my watch time will often slow down by a few hours when I have had an OBE.

The other night I had an OBE at around 3:30am and I had several more but wakening in between each OBE up to 5:40am (I noticed the time as I have a clock next to the side of my bed).  However the next day I realized the time on my watch was about six hours behind.

It's weird despite the watch being an automatic watch when I have not worn it oernight only a few minutes may be lost, but often when wearing it and I have had an OBE the watch will completely slow down by several hours (this does not happen with every OBE). All other occasions the watch is always fine.

Anyone else experience anything similar?

Maybe an OBE can generate some sort of energy interference?

Hello

I have had OBEs probably for a decade or more and for the last 12 months they have appeared to stop. My previous journeys usually resulted from early morning/midnight wakings then dozing off into an exit. I would usually have two to three per week and my journeys were becoming more and more intelligent with control.

But last January they stopped and nothing has happened since. I have read that for some people this is common - to go through a period of having OBEs then the experiences stopping.

I have never learned any type of self induced exit but would I assume this is probably my only option to re-initiate the OBEs?

I have had several OBE's over the years and so far it's been somewhat a tough self taught journey. However despite reading numerous books I have never been in a face to face group environment learning or sharing experiences. The closest I have been to any collaborative environment on the subject is perhaps here on this forum.

I noticed there are various programmes/workshops at the Monroe Institute and despite some of them being run by well known people in the field I feel somewhat uncertain on the credibility of what can be achieved in such a short space of time verse the cost of the workshops.

I would love to have an opportunity to learn more in a 'teaching environment' but has anyone ever attended a workshop such as at the Monroe Institute or maybe other venues and can provide some feedback on their experience?

I live in the UK and I have not seen that many OBE or AP workshops but can anyone advise if any such venues exist in the UK?

I have had loads of OBE's in my life time so I'm quite familiar with my whole OBE workflow but last week I had a weird experience which was a first for me.
I went to bed early at around 9:30pm and my wife was downstairs in our living room watching TV. As I lay in bed I must have sensed something and sat up and I saw that my wife was standing at the foot of our bed in her black pyjamas just standing there looking at me blankly (like she was a mannequin). As I sat up I said 'sweet what are you doing, why are you standing there', but there was no response.
 
All of a sudden after completing my sentence I awoke lying in my bed and jolted upwards to see if she was there, but she wasn't? I guessed I must have dozed off as I lay in bed, and had some mini rapid OBE. Any other occasion I wouldn't have been bothered to place this much thought into the event, but the fact that I saw my wife standing there wearing black and staring at me has sort of made me think this was some sort of symbolic gesture that I needed to figure out.
The only major incident that took place was the following day we found out that she wasn't pregnant – we had just completed our first IVF cycle and my wife was waiting to do a pregnancy test that week. However aside from the distress that followed our negative result, to me that wouldn't tie up as to a reason I saw her. I have never had any family members appear in what I assume was an OBE while they on the other hand were still awake. 
 
Afterwards I did run downstairs to ask if she had come up stairs and she said no, but had been just watching TV. Oddly despite all my OBE's I don't really read them as having any spiritual or symbolic link/bridge to my conscious life and usually see them as separate events to my day to day activities. But I guess because I saw my wife, her presence acted as a bridge between the two which has made me feel a little on edge.

Just curious if anyone has checklist routine to validate they are having an OBE?

In my early days I often wondered if I was sleep walking, or being a diabetic if my sugars were low. So I now try to verify what's happening as soon as I sense I'm having an OBE.

I will often clasp my hands together then try and pull them apart to see if my fingers stretch. I will then test maybe putting my hands through a wall, or door and checking my senses while doing this. Finally I will try and state my name verify where I geographically am, and then acknowledge that I'm having an OBE.

Usually there appears to be an internal mechanism that indicates you are having an OBE but none the less when I do checks it starts me off fairly focused and confident based on the level of control I have.

This weekend I had a very strange episode that was my most detailed and prolific experience I have had in a very long time. I'm not sure if my experience was an OBE, Lucid Dream, or something else.
 
The experience started as I was running down a flight of stairs, and upon reaching the bottom step I was standing in a hall (unknown location). Something felt unusual and I suddenly thought if I was having an OBE, as I have not had one in several months.  So to test the waters I decided to do my hand test and I clasped my hands together then tried and pulling them apart to see if my fingers would stretch. As I did this I laughed and sure enough my fingers stretched and melted like a loose rubber band or cooked sticks of spaghetti.
 
I then decided to turn left and walked into the hall/corridor area which eventually led into a kitchen. As I entered the kitchen I saw a woman who I assume based on her clothing was a maid. She was busy kneading some bread or working on some chore as her hands were moving in a repetitive motion across a table top.  She did not appear to notice me as I stood there watching her, however a few seconds later a tall man suddenly walked around the corner near the bottom end of the kitchen.
He walked in and stood opposite the woman on the other side of the centre work table and appeared to be in a panic stricken state. He was saying to the maid 'they are going to find where I buried her; they will find the bones'.  He started to cry and then buried his face into arms, as he did this I noticed in his left arm he was holding a brass coloured knife (odd but resembled a cake knife).
 
The maid was trying to console this man, and calm him down. Then all of a sudden she turned to me and motioned me to exit. As she did this the man suddenly noticed I was there and stepped forward waving the knife with swooping gestures near my face. I suddenly got scarred and turned to run back through the kitchen door and up the flight of stairs I had initially ran down when I awoken during my experience.
As I ran up the stairs I eventually ran onto a landing and saw a door to my right which I opened running into a bedroom. When I ran in to the bedroom there was a single bed to my right with a young woman fast asleep. I ran up to the bed and quickly pulled the covers off the bed to wake her. We then both heard the noise of the man and maid running up the stairs.
 
This woman in the bedroom motioned me to run over to the cupboard and to hide in there. So I ran to the cupboard on the other side of the room, opened the door and squatted in the centre. As I squatted I could see some grey or beige woollen coats that were hanging above me, and some black boots and shoes taking up some of the floor space. The cupboard was very small (about the square width of the single door that opened into it) but I remained squatted and buried my head between my arms in fear of being caught. I kept saying 'please make me indivisible so I'm not caught', and I just kept repeating this. All of sudden the door opened and I looked up and it was the maid, who shouted out 'she is not in here', and shut the door behind her.

The experience carried on for a long time but to cut a long story short I think I was a young girl, mainly because of my perspective when I entered the kitchen, the scale of the clothing items while crouching in the closet and the comment by the maid stating 'she is not in here'. For some other reason I sensed it was perhaps in the 1920's or 1930's or could have been a few decades earlier.
 
I have no idea why I was having a full conscious OBE but this time not in my usual home or surroundings; instead it felt like a detailed snapshot taking place in some other period.

Just curious if anyone has made efforts to explore past or future lives in their experiences. Only recently I have just started reading a book called 'Mending the Past and Healing the future with Soul Retrieval' by Alberto Villoldo. The book is good, and is making think perhaps in somewhat a different context towards when I'm able to have my next experience.
 
It's weird but in all of my previous episodes, they have only ever taken place in what I would call the present time frame, or in what would appear to be a complete non-earthly time frame, either way I have never had an objective to explore my past whilst in an OBE but very interested in the concept.

I have been a type 1 diabetic for the last 22 years, and I have noted a lot of similarities with my OBE's and diabetes (mainly low sugars/hypos).
 
As a diabetic when your sugars become low you suffer with what is called a hypoglycaemic episode. The actual hypo experience can vary between diabetics, but generally when a hypo begins you lose concentration/focus and experience various symptoms such as agitation, perspiration, irritability etc.
With severe hypos that have usually happened from waking you are initially confused as to who you are, where you are, and generally reality itself, while on the other hand there is still some conscious logic that allows a response or reaction. 
 
This initial phase when waking with a hypo is exactly like waking within a lucid dream, or even to an OBE. In fact all the emotional and physical experiences are identical, and I still cannot believe just how similar the hypo state can be to OBE or Lucid Dream. 
I have often wondered about people that have experienced OBE's or any other form of non-physical experience and perhaps the lack of similar direct comparisons to experiences within the physical reality. I think the hypoglycaemic episode is direct comparison, but I would not say drugs would be comparable either due to the fact that drugs are usually not a repeatable controlled experience and can have a different recovery time frame.
 
I was having hypos before I ever had my first OBE and lucid dream.  When I first started having my OBE's and lucid dreams I would often during the experience try and test my sugars to make sure I was not having a hypo, but to my horror the experience did not envelope as I thought it should have done.  This conscious or subconscious act influenced my behaviour and awareness during the OBE as I was required to consciously recognise reality within the non reality environment.
 
Despite the potential danger of hypoglycaemic attacks, I have also found them as a training tool towards my OBE's. The hypos have had a positive experience to the OBE while ironically the OBEs have also had a positive experience to my hypos.
 
Both experiences have become more controlled, and I have found that I have developed a more heightened conscious awareness to both the physical and non physical. Oddly I have also discovered that low sugars during the night can induce an OBE.

In the last two weeks I have had a few odd episodes in which I have had a full experience of an event happening prior to it happening. I often have OBE's but I have rarely had paranormal experiences within our own reality.
 
In each experience as it has happened I feel like I'm somewhat removed from body and watching the events unfold from the outside (I guess similar to an OBE but I'm watching myself from a third or second parameter).The events are completely random and have no symbolic meaning or importance.

One happened last week where I bought a coffee at work and decided to stop and read a news article on my iphone. Instead as I began to stop and read the article I felt an odd numbness and loss of my senses.  I then found I experienced the scene/timeline including what I was about to read before I even stopped to drink my coffee and look at my iphone to read the article.  I guess it was as if I suddenly separated fast forwarded a few seconds then rewound back again, a sort déjà vu but with extreme clarity.

These events have been increasing but the episodes as I have said are nothing meaningful, or symbolic and I have no idea why all of sudden I have developed this.  I sort of see them almost as glitches or a bug to my reality zone.

A difficult question to articulate but assuming that there is actual or shared non-physical environment in which OBEs take place, and assuming that in death there is a continuation into this non-physical zone, then could it be OBE's are an educational or opportunistic experience that can prepare us towards bridging the gap from the physical to the non physical.

About just over a year ago (in 2010) I had an OBE (or journey), where I was flying in an unknown city above a very large building (skyscraper) and looking down onto its roof top. In the experience I swooped around in a circular motion, perhaps similar to a bird and noted what I was viewing.  I saw the building had a semi circular end to it that contained a bar and extending from that I saw a series of tables with white table cloths and people sitting down eating and drinking. At the end of the tabled area I also a large raised building with a domed roof that had steps coming down onto this rooftop dinning/drinking area.
 
At the time I thought nothing of it and just diarised the experience as I do with all my other OBE's. However last week my wife and I had an opportunity to fly out for a short holiday with her brother who worked as a cabin crew member for a British airline. He was on a flight sector that took him from London to Sydney but with a two day stopover in Bangkok and Sydney.  As we are his two named persons to get discounted flights we decided to fly out with him to Sydney and back.
 
Anyway when we were in Bangkok he took us to a bar called the Sirrocco bar, which was a rooftop bar on top of one of Bangkok's second tallest buildings. When got to the top and walked out to the bar area, my heart literally stopped as I Iooked out onto the roof top area, this was completely identical in every detail to what I saw in my OBE (the table layout, steps down onto the roof top, even the bar at the end in the semicircular extension to the building.
 
As we had a drink I looked around and began to think why did I see this a year ago and why was it so alike, was something going to happen me? Was this my demise?
Well nothing happened apart from an expensive bar tab, however I can still find no reason as to why I had this experience, I'm completely baffled. However this has reaffirmed or bridged the gap that there must be some sort of link or purpose or objective to the journeys I have been taking.

Hello, this question is based on some assumptions, and hopefully not be viewed as too morbid, or insensitive.  But I was wondering if anyone during their OBE's has visited/explored recent natural disaster areas such as Japan, New Zealand, or Burma etc.
 
If so, because of the large recent proximity of loss within a confined region, does the experience take on a different form, or energy?
 
My question is somewhat stimulated by the recent Monroe book I finished (Ultimate Journey) and Monroe's case of an afterlife and his stories how he assisted departed individuals who were somewhat lost and in need.
 
I guess I was curious if such a thing existed then would it have a stronger force or presence in areas where a large volume of death has taken place.  

Hello
 
I just finished reading William Buhlam's book 'Secrets of the Soul'. This is the first book that I have read of his and I found it a very interesting read. In the book William mentioned some command lines to say during an OBE to add clarity and or progress if you get stuck.
 
Last night I had an OBE and funny enough without premeditating on the various commands he mentioned I somehow spontaneously spurted them out during various points in my OBE.
 
I woke up in my bed and I noticed I was swaying back and forth somehow disconnected from body. I wasn't sure on what state I was meant to be in but I guessed I was in a pre exit state. So somewhat unsure of what should happen next I simply stated 'I demand to leave my body', and like a light switch being flicked on the vibrations instantly started and I began to exit.
 
During the OBE when I walked downstairs in my house for some unknown reason my sense of vision began to darken so I said 'vision now' and everything went from dark to light. I then said 'clarity now' and the room became more detailed.
 
I'm slightly baffled if any command can work spontaneously or if it worked for me because I have read the book and subconsciously took note of the commands with a belief in their purpose. Either way they worked but wonder next time if anything will work instead of what I read in his book. 
 
The end result is I managed to have more awareness and control so I feel more confident if I encounter any future problems I now have a solution that will not distract me or take me off course.

I just finished reading Albert Taylors book 'Soul Traveller'. It was a quick and nice read on the subject of his OBE experiences, but perhaps a bit to preaching towards the end. In one of his OBE accounts upon exiting Albert recalled several hooded humanoid figures standing around his bed in robes, which he thought were similar to monks.
 
When I read this account I was suddenly shocked and thought wow that's what I have seen as well. Except my hooded figures were small beings and usually would be standing in the corner of the bedroom and grouped together. In my experience their heads are always lowered with hoods covering their appearance. They appear as if they are deep in thought, and unaware of my presence.
 
Further on in the book Albert also accounts a light being, but he did not describe the being in any physical detail other than eventually assuming the light being was himself but in a higher state – I guess acting as his guide.
 
Again I have had similar accounts of experiencing I guess what would be labelled as a light being based on the being taking a luminescent form. However my experiences were somewhat negative and I did not interpret the being as a guide there to assist me. However if this is the case then I need to raise a complaint to some 'OBE Complaints Commission' about the customer service I have been receiving!  
 
I have searched this forum + Google and have come across similar threads, so this is obviously a common theme during an OBE. My experiences were initially not influenced by stories I may have read or heard, hence the inertest and shared similarities when I read Albert Taylors accounts.
 
Overall it seems too coincidental that the hooded entities/light beings presence and or purpose does not share a common objective or association during an OBE.
 
Have you had similar experiences?
 
Have you seen hooded entities/beings standing in your room during and OBE? 
 
Has anyone had any type of dialogue or contact with these entities and their purpose?
 
And who are these light beings – are they always guides or can they be the opposite?

I listened to a podcast by Jim Harold this week (The Paranormal Podcast) interviewing Nigel Kerner and discussing his new book called 'Grey Aliens and Harvesting of Souls'.
 
In the book Nigel Kerner reveals that the greys are sophisticated biological robots created by a civilisation that they have long outlived, and they are seeking to master death by obtaining something that they do not have which human's possess – souls.
 
His theory definitely stands out different from the usual crowd, and initially I found it quite captivating – although not too convincing. On his website there are several links to further podcasts about his new book (which I'm listening too).
 
I have read several books on the UFO/Abduction phenomena, as well as OBE's/Astral Projections and my personal belief system tends to lean towards there being a common link between what we label as the paranormal. But despite his theory coming from a different angle on the UFO/Abduction subject, from the interviews I have listened too, I still find it hard to buy into. 
 
Has anyone read this book yet, or his previous books, or come across his theory yet elsewhere?  
 
Interviews: http://www.nigelkerner.com/Interviews.html
 
Books: http://www.nigelkerner.com/Books.html

I have been having OBE's for quite a while now (first one in my early 20's and I'm now in my late 30's), and funny enough I had another one only just a few nights ago – weird one as well 
 
However when I was with some friends last week they were discussing some dreams they had the night before and as usual the conversation stopped and they turned to me for one of my stories as I have often mentioned some of my OBE's.
 
So I began with recent OBE I had and ran through the story such as how I exited, what I saw, where I went and so on. But as usual they would challenge certain aspects, often with disbelief, and eventually turning into a conversation for amusement rather than interest.
 
As I was explaining that story on this occasion I felt more separated from the 'audience', and realised through my reactions when they were not taking me seriously that I have adopted a completely different belief system to theirs.
 
I have never thought about it but I have realised that my experiences have changed my perception and views on life – my life has not change significantly as a result of my OBE's but they have definitely educated me, and positively influenced my outlook and behaviours.

Interesting article...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304248704575574193494074922.html

Last night I had another OBE, and during this OBE I was once more trying to understand my perception of solid objects such as the ability to float through walls/doors windows etc. However prior to eventually making it outside of my house my OBE started off where I initially found myself standing in my room facing the bedroom wall adjacent to my bed?
 
As with all my OBE's I initially spend a few minutes first aligning my awareness to where I was. On this occasion I first stood paused and somewhat puzzled in front of my bedroom wall, and I guess like a carrot dangling in front of a donkey I said to myself hey let's see if you can walk through this wall, after all you are having an OBE?
 
I subsequently stepped forward with the intention of walking through the wall like a hot knife sliding through butter, but to my surprise I instead hit the wall with a solid thump! I thought fair enough, let's try this again and I attempted once more but this time with a greater force. I positioned myself with my right shoulder aimed towards the wall in somewhat a defensive tackling stance, and I was on the assumption that I would just run up to the wall and roll through onto the floor of the bedroom next store. So I positioned myself and then ran towards the wall with my body and shoulder leaning forward as if I was trying to knock the whole wall down. However as my body pressed up against it, low and behold, I just bounced off it again with a solid thump.
 
Now after several attempts I was beginning to get frustrated, so I looked across over to the bedroom door as my next exit, yet the door was shut (when I woke up the door was actually open but annoyingly it was closed in my OBE). Like my efforts with the wall, I ran towards the door with a great force but this time making a tremendous noise as my body was slamming against it and like a Tom and Jerry cartoon I hit the door frame with a tremendous smack and fell to the floor.
 
I was becoming aware that for some reason I was adopting this unusual child like hyperactive aggressive approach to my actions. I laughed thinking maybe I should be a bit calmer, and oddly I noticed when I was hitting the door or the wall I was making a groaning noise from the bed where my body was fast asleep - I didn't want this to wake my wife up so I had try something different. So I gave up with the door and decided to head over to see if could get out through the bay window of our bedroom, but like the door and the wall I too just hit this with a solid smack.
 
I was now standing there with my hands pressed up against the window glass panes, slightly annoyed thinking come on Alex just slide through it, or if not then how the hell will I get outside of my house?? Well oddly what happened next was either a gap in my memory or my OBE physical time line and I was suddenly outside standing in front of my house looking back up at that window that I was trying to get out, but I don't remember sliding though the window or travelling to the where I was standing.
 
Perhaps I'm being to objective on how I perceive the environment during my OBE's. But even so I still have not managed to travel out of my house in real time through a wall, door, ceiling or let alone a window. I also have no idea why I do not have the common sense during my OBE's to just try using the door handle when trying to go through a shut door but I guess this partially driven by the fascination to pass through an object.  
 
Just to finish I do always manage to make it just outside of my house but it's always by thought and never by foot.

Hello, I had my third OBE this week and in less than 5 days. My OBE's have only ever happened at night from a dream state but recently I have found that I'm now waking up briefly during the night, slipping into a vibrational state and then subsequently into an OBE – trouble with these night time excursions is you are always so tired the next day!
 
Anyway I have been determined to travel further than my immediate surroundings (i.e. my house, bedroom etc). Last night once more I made it outside onto my street. Whilst outside I will often stand in my road and stare up the night sky and look at a few stars or even the moon. My objective is to choose a star and travel there but for some reason I'm always failing to make the journey.
 
When I'm outside and I attempt to launch towards my chosen star I seem to either do two things after launching – I will slip into a vivid dream state from the OBE and wake up, or the OBE fades and I wake up. Either way I'm not staying alert/conscious during the OBE when I'm attempting the journey i.e. travelling in real time towards my chosen destination.
 
Also I do not think the stars I'm looking at are a true representation of the night sky from where I would be standing. Last night it was actually overcast but in my OBE I saw a clear sky as stood in my road. The stars that I'm seeing from the ground always appear to be in a grid like repeating pattern. I'm assuming this is because it's obviously a fantasy driven night sky as I have no knowledge on astronomy to make a true representation. This of course is based on the supposition that there is some sort of reality to what I'm expected to see during the OBE real time zone environment, or perhaps there isn't it?
 
Any advice on how to break this barrier? I assume it's possible to do this from an OBE, and perhaps it's just something that will come with experience, and effort.

I often will have an OBE where I will awaken into the experience and my body appears to be in control of itself, on a course of its own and completely unaware that I'm conscious.
 
These OBE's are strange as the experience is not a single approach but from an alternating point of view - me but not me. And occasionally I will simultaneously be in my body and at the same time viewing it from the outside doing all the driving.
 
For example every so often I will view myself exiting from my bed and I always exit like a snake sliding across the covers, bending over at the bottom edge of the bed and then sliding onto the floor. I will experience this from the ceiling looking down at myself making the exit but at the same time being inside my body making the journey. These types of exits only happen when my body is in this cruise control mode, otherwise when I have a conscious exit I will leave my body somewhat less gracefully!
 
In these situations my body appears to have an agenda of its own, and it's a bizarre opportunity to view what I get up and how smooth I appear to move. However there is a point during the experience where I feel like my body somehow becomes aware of my snooping or being a backseat driver making comments such as why I'm doing this, where am I going etc? Eventually the alternating points of view align back into first person – i.e. me in my body doing the manoeuvring.

Doesn't happen all the time, but when it does it can create some confusion identifying and putting trust into who you actually are during an OBE, or if there is more than one of yourself during an OBE.  

I have often wondered if during an astral projection if anyone has ever tried to visit places such as the Pentagon, Area 51, or other top government/military installations, maybe even investigate the truth to theories such as deep military underground bases like the most talked about Dolce, New Mexico?

If this were the case do you think counter measures may exist to prevent people from viewing/travelling to such places?

Has anyone tried to visit such a place?

Normally when I have an OBE it will be triggered from a dream, or either waking up in the early morning hours then dozing back off and the OBE happening almost immediately.   Regardless when the OBE happens I will suddenly awaken as I rise from my body seeing the ceiling getting closer, and then moving somewhere else in my house – as it happens I'm always viewing it no different than when physically awake,  through my own eyes of my own body (or out of body form).

However, last night when I had an OBE it was odd. The OBE still had all the normal initial physical departure sensations in the pit of my stomach, the sudden rush of excitement. But for some reason I could only describe it as if I was split into three fragments.

The physical sensations I felt were being felt through my own physical body, but I was visualising the experience from the side of the room in some form. I physically saw myself leave my body and I knew it was a weird exit. I must have been sleeping on my stomach and I left with my feet going first to the ceiling, and somehow flipping over to eventually end up standing upright. As soon as I flipped upright my awareness left from the position that I was observing from the side of the room and rejoined to my out of body form and I flew out of the house.

The point I'm raising is the disjointed spilt of vision, physical emotion, and control/movement somehow being experienced as one but knowing at the same time I was separated into multiple forms but only having physical control while in one of the forms.

Has anyone experienced this, if so:

- Are there multiple levels of our self during and OBE or maybe even AP?

- What 'form' or 'segment' would I label or categorise myself as when I was viewing myself exiting my physical body?

- Has anyone mastered thinking as one but from multiple selves, such as processing and viewing information from multiple splits? In my case last night it appeared I can only have intelligent thought or processing information from one occupied split, but I had the emotional experience or sensation of all three - To further explain, when reading this you're thinking and processing the information within your head, but if you suddenly saw a double of yourself on the other side of the room and then somehow jumped into your other self you're thinking would/may come along with you. After jumping into the split self you would then be able to visually see your other self you just left but the thinking ability would only be from the new occupied self. Has anyone had OBE or AP where they had multiple thought control of split selves? I only had the emotional or 'feel' factor of multiple splits, but not the physical thinking or possession of the multiple self.

Hello
 
I wanted to know if there were any type 1 diabetics on this forum who have OBE's, Vivid/Lucid Dreams and think there could be a link to their experiences being induced by taking insulin?
 
I have been a Type 1 diabetic for 20 years. I will for the most part always have lucid dreams, and with occasions OBEs developing from the lucid dream state.
 
In my early years while having these experiences friends would always say it must be your diabetes causing the sleep problems – sugars to low or high causing the sleep disturbance and subsequent dream experience that followed.
 
However on all occasions that I awoke from my OBE's I have tested my sugar levels and they were always fine. So I assumed it was not lack of sugar to the brain causing the experience, but now wonder if insulin makes me more prone to having lucid dreams and acting as a front door to the OBE.

[Friday 6th November, 2009.]

Hello, I have a bit of a long story for something that was actually very short to experience, and not that exciting - it's taken from my dream journals. However for me the small encounter was a verification exercise and has created opportunities to look at further experiences in a different context. 
 
Friday 6th November, 2009.
I stayed at my wife's parent's house last week and I have only slept there twice before. On this occasion when we went to bed I woke up during the night as I had to use the toilet (was desperate!). As per usual when waking up the noise of me shuffling around in bed woke up my wife, and she did the typical what time is it and why did you wake me up etc - sometimes it's easier to just lie in bed and not bother 
 
When staying over at any guest's house for some reason I always feel somewhat self conscious of making too much noise during the middle of the night on excursions to bathroom. However I also knew that the bathroom was right next to my wife's parent's room, and it didn't help I was in a house I was not to familiar with, especially at night in the dark. 
 
With this in mind I eventually got out of our bed, and headed to open the door to our room which was closed. Unfortunately as I opened the door it was quite a struggle, plus very noisy. I quickly established that you had to somewhat lean with your body weight and pull, which was due to the fact there was no gap between the carpet and the bottom of the door (as I pulled the door open I chuckled thinking if this was my place I would have planed the bottom of the door ages ago).
 
Anyway I made it to the toilet and that was fine. I then came back to bed, shut the door and drifted off back to sleep. However, I then woke up an hour later and thought great I have to go the toilet again! (I'm diabetic and my sugars were slightly high that night). So after lying in bed and contemplating the whole process, my wife soundly asleep, noise of the door – I thought way to much hassle, just forgot about it, and eventually I drifted off back to sleep.
 
I'm not sure on the time difference, but after a while I was awake and opening the door again heading to use the bathroom. I remember the physical struggle of opening the door, and having to lean with your body weight to try and open it. I also noticed the scraping sound of the door brushing along the dense carpet fibres as it opened. I then walked towards the bathroom and passing to my right was my in-laws bedroom (their door was open ajar).
 
As I stepped forward just past their door I heard a rustling noise from their bedroom. All of a sudden I heard the switch of a light coming on from within their room. So I stopped and stood still in the hallway looking through the slightly opened door and saw their bedroom was all lit-up. As I stared I saw a wardrobe at the end of the room, and noticed the silhouette of my father in-law getting out of bed. I knew he had to get up for work very early, and thought what great timing! But at the same time as I stood there for some reason I panicked and thought I can't be caught (was weird, like I was a child in trouble or something).
 
As soon as I had that thought I instantly woke up in bed. I realised that my second journey to the bathroom must have been an OBE or very lucid dream. I also ironically heard my father in-law waking up and leaving his bedroom to make his to the toilet. It was if my previous experience was cutt off in real time as it was happening.
 
So on this occasion I had my first OBE that was to physically real, and funny enough I didn't even know I was having one (I actually thought I was really on my way to the bathroom!).
 
Some interesting facts for me compared to other experiences I have had:

- My experience started when I was pulling the door open; the door was very physically hard to open, just as it was in reality. I do not remember leaving the bed; I'm wondering if it was as if the struggle to open the door which is what awoke me in the dream/OBE.

- When I was making my way to the bathroom as mentioned, I saw the light coming on in my in-laws room. I never would have known before but my wife said yes my father in-law does put the light on when he gets up at around 5am, in fact when he gets up my mother-in law gets up as well.

- I have never seen their room before as the door was always shut during the day, but checking the following day the room looked as exactly as I saw it in my experience when the door was open slightly ajar (there was the white wardrobe at the bottom as well). I even noticed the colour of the wallpaper in the room that was highlighted when I saw the light come on in the room.

- I would have dismissed this as a lucid dream if I had not had the experience of seeing their light come on in the bedroom and being able to verify what I saw the following day.

- It was the first time I witnessed something happening in the real physical environment from the OBE environment, all mixed together in real time.

- I have read before the thought of needing to go the bathroom and not going is a good way in tricking yourself to have an OBE. Funny but I guessed it worked. But I wondered what would have happened if he didn't wake up, would I have carried on to the bathroom to use the toilet in an OBE state?

-  I can't believe I have experienced something that gave me the opportunity to verify the experience the following day. I suppose it could have been just a very lucid dream but the fact that I noted what was in their room, and colour of wallpaper, the light coming on etc has to be some form of proof that one can actually view physical environments in real time from an OBE.
 

 
Interesting article in New Scientist about Out of Body Experiences and suggested causes.
 
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427291.100-out-of-your-head-leaving-the-b

[Hello]

Hello

I have recently been having some projections where I will float up from my bed and as I rise I visually see the ceiling getting closer. When I get to the ceiling I only rise half way through and then everything goes dark as if my eyes are shut. I will get stuck in this position and usually think that it must be dark due to the fact that I have risen into the loft/attic above our bedroom - obviously no lights on up there.

Could I just be sufferring from blindness or during the projections can you see in dark places?

[Or]

I had an AP the other night in which I was standing in my garden. The lead up to the AP was weird as I initially woke up at 3am and when I woke up I was thinking about the patio in my garden that I had finished laying earlier that day.

I then drifted off back to sleep and in what seemed like a second after being awake I was suddenly standing in my garden, in my pyjamas, and my slippers (I don't remember travelling there from my bed). I remember first starring at the night sky and all the stars, and then looking at the patio I laid. I sort of laughed and thought how the hell did I get out here so quickly after having that thought, and why was I standing in my slippers outside. After a few seconds of confusion I realised I was having an AP, or very lucid dream.

However after that initial thought for some reason I turned around and looked to the bottom of the garden. Towards the garden edge and near a tree line I heard this tremendous loud noise.  The sound was like a metallic type noise - similar to a sliding metal door scraping against a surface. The sound was very loud, and appeared to have some dimensional proportion to it as well.

When I heard the sound I instantly panicked, as I sensed something dark in contrast to the serene atmosphere I was experiencing prior to the sound. I distinctively remember saying to myself 'something is not right here'. As soon as saying that I then woke up back in my bed.

I'm guessing while the point of realising that I was having an AP some sort of fear/novelty factor kicked in and maybe my subconscious fantasy created the sound which I then played out as being something dark and dangerous.

Or is it normal to hear loud indescribable sounds during projections, if so what are these sounds - is the sound I heard like a metal scraping sound common?

While having AP's do sounds in the 'real' physical world get misinterpreted during the AP - and maybe that is why I interpreted the sound as having an unusual proportional weight to it?

Is it possible to have sexual union in the Astral plane? If so in what context does it exist?

Hello

I was looking for a new book to read and came across Charlse T Tart's new book - 'The End of Materialism: How Evidence of the Paranormal is Bringing Science and Spirit Together'

Has anyone read it yet? (It would be my first book by the author).

Thanks..

Some of my experiences that have taken place while asleep such as OOBE's, AP's, Lucid Dreams have been so real that they have definitely contributed in mentally shaping my life just as an experience taking place in reality (mentally shaping such as experiences being emotional, spiritual, psychological, and physical).

However I have found that I question the validity of these experiences and if they deserve the same level of attention as one would experience in real life (i.e. it was just a dream or wasn't it).   

I'm not trying to insinuate that I have become somewhat deluded between what happens during my dream states to what happens during my waking hours. But I do question and sometimes find it difficult to trust or differentiate things that happen to me externally to internally. I have also found while mentally categorising and segregating the real from the non-real experience, that it will often impact and pollute the subconscious experience, or visa versa.   

Anyone else with similar issues, or advice?

Hello

I have had what I would label as wild and crazy dreams for the majority of my life. The dreams became more lucid in the last 12 years and it has only been in the last few years that my lucid dreams no longer take place in the imaginary dream world but now in the actual physical environment for where I would be sleeping.

In the last year my dreams have become slightly darker and disturbing. It's hard to dismiss them as your standard nightmare simply because there is to much physical awareness in the real world environment for which they are taking place.

The dream scenario that takes place would often involve me awakening during a dream and seeing the entity or being awoken by the entity. Sometimes I would awaken while asleep and instantly know I'm dreaming as I would be floating across my bed and usually there is the inital shock and wow factor of what is happening during the dream, plus staring at all the objects in our bedroom. But then there would be this hooded thing crouched in the corner of the room. It seems to where a grey pointed hooded top and can't be higher than say 3 feet or so.

I assume it is initially crouching because as I float towwards where it may be, it then seems to leap from it's position on the floor. The thing is then no longer covered or shrouded by a hooded cloak or top but it is somewhat naked in form. It is very tall, skinny, sort of yellow or brightly illuminated. It's face seems to be somewhat stretched and it's mouth is always open in an 'o' shape (as if it's sucking in air or something). The incident seems to last only a few a minutes and it always grabs me from above and then pulls me somewhere (usually through the ceiling).

My last experience was now 6 months ago. It happened at work when I got in very early and fell asleep in my office chair. There was no one in my office (it was around 5-6am). I fell asleep in my office chair and awoke as I rose to the ceiling. During the dream I felt a presence and as I turned my head I saw a hand on my right shoulder. I looked over my shoulder to see the same entity but half emerged through the office ceiling with it's hands on my shoulders pulling me up.

It was at a 45 degree slant and pulling upwards. I tried to struggle but as always during the incident I get pulled and then there us a gap or blank space to the dream. I'm then subsequently dumped back into my dream and the entity is no longer there. The thing that makes the experience disturbing is the real physical awareness of the environment during the dream - something to real like I could feel the hands on my shoulders which is what grabbed my senses initially.

If these are simply nightmares I'm sort of confused and disturbed that I could script a dream such as the ones I'm having when I cannot attribute the scenario towards anything personal or visual (like a film).  I guess my main concern is trying to control the experience when they happen, trying to understand what this entity is and why I would dream it.