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I found Secret of the Soul by William L. Buhlman a good read. It explores more of what astral projection is and experiences while not talking much about technique.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/006251671X/qid=1061981711/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_3/002-2212805-8936867?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Persoanlly I believe consciousness enters the foetus when the foetus grows its first ever brain cell.

Hi Phil,

This topic would probably fit better in General Metaphysics rather than OBE discussions so I moved it. If you have a different forum you'd like to see it in, PM me and we'll work something out.

Very best,

I've never tried to visit someone who very recently died.  I have gone to see my father several times since he passed away a year ago though.  My problem is that when I see him, I usually get very emotional and within just a few seconds I am back in my body.  

I'm ok when I just observe him, but when I try to interact with him the same thing alway happens.  He seems surprised and excited to see me, and then I get overwhelmed with an overpowering combination of joy and at the same time profound sadness from missing him so much.  And then I am back in my body (usually crying).  I will note that in physical life I am not an overly emotional person, but in the astral my emotions can seem MUCH more powerful.  I hope some day to be able to communicate meaningfully with him, but it has not happened yet.

--Soulfire

hi Phil_trance !

You were most probably in your "etheric body / etheric plane" (Sylvan Muldoon) or, another name for it, the "real-time-zone" (Robert Bruce).

I haven't heard it described as the "esoteric plane", but this sounds similar to Castaneda's name for it: "the second attention".

What you described is common, often referred to as "astral sight". You'll see the room around you, things may be slightly different e.g. an object out of place, a different sound. Things may take on a slightly different hue (its happened to me a few times,and things normally look slightly blue-tinted.)

"Astral sight" differs from "astral travel" / OBE solely because your point of awareness appears to be still stuck in your physical body. In an OBE, you have the sensation of "leaving" your physical body.

It is possible to have an OBE from the state you are in, but I've never had much success...I've always found that my legs / arms are stuck within my physical body.

quote:If I was on the esoteric plane, what kinds of things can I do on the esoteric plane? Why do you think this happens to me even though I wasn't trying to go to any planes?

Once you have left your body behind on the bed, you can do anything. Your only limits are those imposed by your mind. So, with a bit of effort, you can fly (but your mind is used to walking, so you'll have a tendency to float back down), walk through walls (again, you might find yourself banging into them at first), travel at huge speeds, perceive things in all directions simultaneously, communicate with other beings.

Also bear in mind that not only does your mind place constraints on your ability, but it also can create your environment. In the astral planes, thought = reality. If you suddenly think to yourself "I'm scared of falling", then you'll fall, until you re-gain control or return to waking conciousness.

Your last question; I think it happens to a lot of people, but many just dismiss it as a dream. One of the goals of most people here is to be able to astrally project at will, instead of finding ourselves in the astral by chance.

Best regards,
Mark

Lucid dream starts from a dream, OBE starts from awake. OBE can turn into dream and Lucid dream can turn into OBE. Often AP is pictured as an OBE close to the real physical world, but it does not need to be so, if it is the case then the 'environment' in which you are during the AP/OBE will be the same as in a dream. SOmetimes OBE/AP and LUcid dreams are completely the same. What seems to be is that you can reach the same "place" from AP and from lucid dreaming, and that that place is not in the physical world but somewhere else. Some people tend to differentiate lucid dream and AP/OBE by the level of lucidity and clarity, where that level is higher in AP/OBE. There have been other posts here on lucid dreaming and obe, check all the messsages on the forums... TO me I believe that lucid dreaming is a dream from your mind that you are aware of, and AP/OBE is not from your mind. In that sens some of the dreams we have are not dreams, but they are travels in the astral world. The problem arises as it seems that your mind can affect the world in which you 'travel' during an AP, so that the two are interconnected.

I think it is a very good question you wrote there.
Anybody who know anything about IAC, and if the course is good or bad?

LMAO
how surprising
take a look at this thread (it gets good around page 9) for the truth about mysticweb's bulls**t.

And welcome. I've only been here a few weeks myself, but I can see it's a great board. My favorite metaphysical forum by far.