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This thread was created to move the on-going discussion between Mustardseed and I from the Understanding Christianity thread to a more relevant area.  Although the topic of the other thread has changed considerably, I hope Mustardseed and other Christians will persist in answering the concerns posed by Jeehad.

Mind you, this thread is designed for productive discussions - any reply or question that is aimed at sparking a debate will go unanswered and runs the risk of being flamed.  With that said, here are some questioning guidelines for you to follow.

Good Questions:

-  I don't quite understand such and such verse in the Qur'an, would you elaborate for me?
-  I learned in my Church that Muslims believe in such and such, is that true?  If so how can you believe such a thing?
-  I read on so and so site that there is such and such error in the Qur'an, is this true?  Can you prove otherwise?
-  I see plenty of women in the Middle East covering their hair/skin/anything visible to the eye, is this really taught in Islam?  Could you prove your stance by showing exactly where it is taught (or taught against)?

Bad Questions:

-  How do you view the current Israeli / Palestinian conflict?
-  Do you believe in sharia law?
-  Jesus is god and will forgive your sins if you accept him (yeah it's not a question but God only knows what extremists view as questions).
-  If you are a US citizen, how would you feel if such and such law system of such and such nation where imposed on you?

As you can see, the good questions are related to a religious dialogue where as the bad questions are aimed towards gathering information about personal beliefs and/or picking a fight.

I will attempt to answer questions as they are brought to me, but it is not my responsibility to educate anyone.  If I do not reply it is not because Muslims have no answer for your particular question, it is because I as an individual am too busy to reply or I simply do not know the answer and do not wish to invest time into it.  For such questions, I would advise you to seek guidance from a learned Muslim scholar in your area (they are everywhere, even in the USA) - which is what you should be doing if you where seriously considering learning about Islam anyway.

Peace, Love and Light,
Mohamed

I have always been aware of the energy body but never really understood what to make of it until these past two years.  As a child I was able to feel my sub-heart chakra and flush the energy inside it throughout my body, causing my hair to rise on my arms.  Whenever I do this flushing, I can hear a slight buzzing sound, like a medium pitched tone.  I never knew what to make of this.  I remember asking my father once about this and he thought I was just cold; cold and coupled with imagination.

Two years ago I read Robert's NEW energy development techniques.  I practiced his method a bit and later developed my own procedure for energy work.  I have noticed one big difference since beginning the energy work.  Before the energy work I would get the hair around my arms to rise, and I would be done for the rest of the day; no more energy to work with.  Now I have realized that during energy work I am able to raise every hair on my arms, legs, chest, and even in the pubic area.  What really got me excited was last night; I actually got my facial hair to rise.

I am sure everybody in here has experienced what I am experiencing.  Many of us get those 'shivers' causing all our hair to stand up.  I am interested though, how many of you people can actually control this.  Tell me your experiences and the extent of your development.

Hi,

I am back from a rather long absence.  I have been browsing the forums for a few days now and finally decided to post something.  Those of you who do remember me know that I was successful in an OOBE and I wish to update you on my current position.

Currently I have lost all ability to project.  I re-programmed myself to forget the way the Astral body feels.  I remember being so fluent at it that I could feel the frequency at which my AB was vibrating; tuning in on that frequency enabled me to shorten its wavelength (kind of like moving from visible to gamma) allowing me the ability to move through the dense matter of my physical self.  Of course, that process is lost to me now and seems almost alien.

The main reason I quit was because I lost control.  I was projecting unconsciously, in inappropriate circumstances.  There would be nights where I had to wake up early to get to work and as soon as my head hits that pillow, I was out.  You may think that this is fine because the body is resting, but it isn't!  I did not want to project in the first place so the mood is off and I am thrown back in, resulting in sleep paralysis (a catatonic state of mind).  Soon enough the projections stopped, however the paralysis lasted months.  I carefully observed what was happening, the paralysis usually occurred after the first 90 minutes of sleep (during the first REM cycle).  Once I break out of paralysis I am forced to remain awake for 20 – 30 minutes or else just closing my eyes will force me back into paralysis.  I was honestly experiencing paralysis 2 – 4 times a night.

Eventually it started to fade away.  Soon it was 1 time every night, then 2 times a week and now it's all over; I can finally sleep freely and wake up normally; however, certain circumstances and a new level of curiosity has brought me back to astral realm.  I still remember the fanatic experiences I had while lucid in a dream and the amazing sense of perception in the RTZ.  I plan to start all over again and move through focus 3, 10, 12, 15, and 21 and hopefully have a better experience with it this time around.

I have two questions though, who amongst you have had similar experiences like my own?  Please share you experience and how you dealt with it so that we may all learn and better ourselves.  Also, of those who are successful, how many of you have actually left the atmosphere (in RTZ) and explored the vastness of space?  I am not asking for any place far, just far enough to be in orbit is all.

Mohamed

When in the "The Avatar Legend Page," moving the cursor across the Forum, Resources, Personal, and About tabs on top causes the page to move up a down.  Try it out and you will know what I mean.

Mohamed

My question is; Has anybody on this forum ever achieved Focus 21 or above?  If so, how did you feel?  Was it easier to project?  I ask this because the farthest Focus state I have entered where deep states of Focus 10, and even while in those deep states I still can not seem to project.

P.S.  Has anybody been able to project from Focus 10/12 into the RTZ?

Mohamed

Hi, I respect your views just to start so don't take this as an attack.

How would you know that the astral is nothing more then a dream? Just because you feel your body doesn't mean anything.  I don't remember anywhere that people have said that they feel there body while in astral.  

You say that if you think about a demon then it will appear, then how do you explain the negs that appear without warning to people.  Robert Bruce had an experiance with a neg in OBE, but not in astral and he wasn't thinking about anything except going to the kitchen.  You can read more about that experiance here http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_8.htm

Now I don't mean to be rude, but you really shouldn't say these things as though they are fact, it upsets alot of people and then flame wars start.

Write back with your views on this.  Best regerds.

~Van Stolin

quote:Originally posted by Mohamed

When reading a new private message, the private message banner remains on top, and you still hear the private message conformation (I think it is, "You have a new private message.").  Once opening a private message, this should go away, rather than remain until you return to your inbox.

Mohamed

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Greetings Mohamed,

Thank you very much indeed for your comments which I believe are good ones. I will give this some thought.

With best regards,

Adrian.

Wow, pretty impressive,thanks

Mohamed:

Well done!!  Your research is sound, as are your conclusions.[]

quote:Let's put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father + one person, God the Son + one person, God the Holy Ghost = one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?

LOL...yes...this is English, and no this is not gibberish--well--actually maybe it is gibberish![8D]  But what this is, is the result of a very complex philosophical paradox. An honest to goodness real paradox!. While the church fathers NEVER completely agreed across the board, the answer for this paradox has yet to be solved.  There were no matching words in Latin for the main priciples of this problem that had been originally conceived of in Hebrew and then translated into Greek--but, oh well.  They just hammered it out as best as they could and called it as you state above--and left it there hanging.  <shrug> The paradox still stands today, 1,700 years later.

Now--my opinion on this???  This is just my opinion, okay?

When the day comes that we have a proper vocabulary to discuss our existence from the perspective that access between this world and other worlds is a very natural thing, and the lines of communication are much clearer and more agreed upon, then and only then will this paradox be solved.  Until then, the paradox stands.
 

BTW, I will try again soon with the Monroe institutes audio (non verbal) OOBE helper, Transcendence.  I will tell you all how it goes.

Welcome to the forums!   We look forward to learning more about your experiences!