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Okay, so i feel i have been having some serious breakthroughs lately. I've been taking my practice VERY seriously, atleast 1 routine a day, and im finally getting my mental juggling act perfected to where i have succeeded the past 3-4 attempts, and several before that. Well, earlier today, something happened that i don't ever want to happen again. I'll explain the entire thing in short...

After a quick and brief exit about 10 minutes earlier, I found myself playing around briefly in a strange lucid dream where i tried to pull myself back to my body without moving. I felt slight physical sensations until i realized that i was back in/near my body. I then attempted to peel myself forward and out towards my ceiling. I felt myself lean forward, spin, and slide gently forward towards my door, But was blind. I tried " Vision Now " a couple of times with no success.

COMPLETELY out of no where, It felt as though something wrapped around my stomach, And just took off. The force was pulling me completely backwards by a speed that was actually excruciatingly painful. I reached down and actually felt a large flat 'something' on my stomach, which was pulling me, and was able to peel it off enough to bring some comfort to my stomach. I then started saying " Okay, Done, I want back in my body!! ". It stopped for a split second, then BAM, took off again, equally as painful.

By this point i couldn't take it, and started moving my physical feet. I felt them slide back and forth under the sheets a couple times, But the pull continued. SO, as a last resort, I decided, " FINE! " and i relaxed, thinking it would stop on its own, and i would end up somewhere. Sadly, 3 more long, and painful tugs just kept ripping me around in blackness. It took me moving both my feet, and sliding my hands around, and shaking my head until i suddenly found myself pop back in the bed staring up at the ceiling.

Basically, i've experienced the momentum tickles in the stomach, sometimes during vibrations that are as intense as sliding down a roller coaster, and can somtimes be alil' too intense for comfort. But never like this. This was by far one of the most uncomfortable things i've experienced yet. But what i can't come to grasp on, Is the fact that i had to make SSOOO many different approaches to stop. I was in control, I was lucid and all that, But for some reason, I honestly felt for that short moment, i was just hanging on for whatever this thing had in mind for me.

Now i dont really believe in the whole concept of " Evil ghouls and ghosts " but I also really doubt this entire thing was created by me. And if i did create it, IT NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO LISTEN TO ITS MASTER >o<;;

All jokes aside, Has anyone ever experienced something like this??....If so, Any conclusions!?

~Ryan

Okay, so i was reading over some of Frank's old notes. I dunno why what he wrote decided to really take hold this time, and not have much of an effect before, But boy did it ring home. I was reading about how the biggest problem he notices people having in their attempts of AP is that while they're trying to relax, enter trance, raise energy, Etc...They are focusing entirely too much on their body, which is the exact OPPOSITE of what they are needing to do. Frank states, that when he phases, he simply relaxes, and notices the changes take place behind his eyelids....

Well, i tried that for the first time last night, and to my excitement.....I believe it worked   

It began with me getting gut-busting rushes of tickling energies in the pit of what feels like my stomach, and i find myself standing completely awake in a strange dream. I begin by trying to erase the scene to be left with nothing, to advance into an OBE. With every attempt to clear my vision, something else would just jump in. So i then looked for something i might be able to interact with....And in the distance, something caught my attention. A large white cloud, hovering barely over the ground, with a large black-hole like feild in the center. This black area was the only thing in my vision that was actually clear. A man behind me asked " ..You wanna go there? "...I replied " Yes, i need to get there. "...With a simple wipe of his hand, my entire area changed.

I suddenly found myself on my knees over these thin plates of ice in this club-like area...Listening to a live band perform. In all my lucid dreams...Nothing...Has...EVER...Looked this clear. I must have spent 10 minutes just looking around admiring how real everything looks. I went and sat next to a man at the bar, and remember saying " Man, This is weird.. "...He looked over at me and asked " What is? "....I replied, " Do you know how strange it is to know im here right now, While im actually completely asleep in my bed? "...He laughed, and stated " Yeah, enjoy it while it lasts, Soon you'll feel like your blood has turned to ice shards! " As he laughs and turns back to the bar....

Not entirely sure what he meant by that, I tried to remain aware, and just enjoyed the area. This went on for sometime but....Was i still dreaming?...

I honestly can't tell if i went from a lucid dream, to a REALLY lucid dream...Or what?......Anyones opinion??...

Also, if this happens again, what else should i try to make sure i actually end up in the astral, and not another self-made reality  ...


~Ryan

Well, i've decided to pick up where i left off, and go back to daily routines. I have quit smoking, and got my hands on some more Nicotine patches. Anyone who has read my last post regaurding those, knows why.

Anyways, the next morning, i woke up after about 6 hours of sleep, by my alarm. Relaxed myself, said a few affirmations, and tried to drift off into a LD. Sure enough, i found myself in some strange city, lucid enough to call out for clarity, and began wiping the scene. Using my hands i would reach up, and drop my arm erasing everything around me, until i found myself in a completely black surrounding, in the attempt to convert this LD to an OBE. Well, something strange happened.

I found myself over this VERY large field of green plant-like pullips. I was floating roughly 20 feet above, just admiring the view. I flew in a quick jolt, and landed in the middle of this forest like area. My awareness was sharp, but i was feeling alil' numb, so i knew it was still just a Lucid Dream. I began throwing my hands out, pushing rushes of fire, water, and ice over the trees, watching them burn, soak, and freeze...THen repeat a few times ( Just for fun i guess? ). Then a large title wave of rushing water came towards me from the distance, I raised my arms, and mentally surrounded myself with a protective bubble.

After a slight lapse of consciousness, i was standing in the middle of a grocery store like area. Talking with the people there. I was looking around and caught someone looking at me rolling their eyes. I remember stating " Aaaww, someone doesn't like the Daydreamer's, eh? " She chuckled, and walked off arrogantly. I walked to the counter and asked if they had anything chocolaty?...She pointed her fingers at my face and responded, " Something like this? "...Right as her sentence ended, a creamy rich milk-chocolate flavor rushed through my tastebuds. ( Absolutely delicious i might add ).." Exactly! "......Then suddenly i heard my alarm. Sounding through what seemed like the intercom of the store. I looked around and stated " Well, time to wake up!! "..

I said good-bye to the people, and jumped up placing my back to the ceiling, and rushing backwards incredibley fast. A rushing falling sensation came over me until i felt my physical sensations slowly coming back.

Now, im curious why the conversation attempt didn't work, but whatever.....I had fun =D......I had about 6 other short LD's after that. and the next day....

Now, are there any other ways to try and convert an LD to an AP?....Because i will be having anywhere from 20-50 Lucid Dreams every week this month, now that i have these patches. Anyone have any advice of some other Conversaion attempts? Im going to try the Mirror Trick in the morning, if i wake up with enough time, before i have to leave for a doctor's appointment.



Thanks guys! =D.,
                           Ryan

Well, I couldn't believe exactly how this worked, But i believe it did.

For starters, I'm a smoker. Been smoking a couple years now, Just shy of a pack a day. I've been thinking about quitting lately, So i got my hands on some 14MG Nicotine Patches. Now, on the back of the box, It reads " Users have reported an unusual vividness and strange characters in dreams. Do not use Patch during sleep if uncomfortable figures keep you from resting '

Very strange caution on a box, So i read up on some things. Sure enough, Everyone i know that has used them, Said they had the craziest most vivid dreams, While sleeping with a Patch on. So i tried it...

First nights sleep, 3 lucid dreams, Woke up completely in between each. Second night, about 6 CRAZY Vivid dreams, and 2 lucid dreams. Not sure how or why, But these bad boys work. If anyone smokes, or doesn't have a crazy weak tolerance to Nicotine, I reccomend giving this a shot, if you have troubles getting the results in your dreams that you desire. I've been trying the past 6 months, With maybe 1-2 lucid events, Nothing compared to these past 2 nights.

Let me know if anyone else got results!!

~Ryan


P.S. I don't like suggesting drug use to anyone, But with the little danger involved with Nicotine, and the strong results they carry, Just please use with caution and at your own risk. Thank you.

Well, I drilled myself pretty hard into AP practice over the last 6-8 months. Literally practicing about 4-6 hours everyday. It became a rather numbing routine. I decided to take a week off. During that week i still read up on some things, and such. I ran across something that seemed to ring very well with me, Making perfect sense based off the experiences i had in the past.

There's an explanation of the mindset one should have during an AP attempt. The " Will-less Will " Its like the unforced focus.

It made sense that whenever you lay down and do the several attempts to " Prepare for AP " that your still more or less only doing them with that notion. This time i lied down, and went through the same procedure that i always do to induce physical relaxation, only i did it this time for each process.

I'll Elaborate. I always lay down and do 10 slow breaths. after that, i go through and mentally shut down each section of my body. After that i go through a Phasing like procedure where i mentally place myself through this sequence of movements and involvements around my house. Well this time, I did each step with nothing but FULL intent of perfecting, each process. I did the breaths NOT FOR AP, but for the relaxing effects of the breath. Same with the shutting down sections, and then the phasing, I did only for FULLING involving myself into the phase.

Well sure enough, Doing this with 100% Will on what your currently doing, and not what you want done, made what you wanted done, TO COME!..

Before i knew it, My consciousness slammed back into wakefulness, and i was swaying with my shoulders left and right, about 4" above myself. I managed to raise myself up to my ceiling, right with i felt my face hit the rough texture of what i thought was my ceiling, My eyesight formed. I was standing directly in front of a Black metal-looking wall with large steel bolts. I reached out and ran my fingers across it, It was cold to the touch. It was as if i was inside a large metal tank.....Unfortunately, the excitement brought me back =(...


However, On conclusion, This " Will-less Will " makes perfect sense. The only thought of AP during practice should be the intent in the distant part of your mind. I compared this to the Chinese finger trap. The harder you try, the farther the goal is, BUT, if you relax, and just let it happen, you get to enjoy the outcome that you were looking for =D...

I hope someone that was in the same boat as myself, Stumbles upon this, and understands what i'm trying to say.


Happy Travels Friends ! ^.^

         Okay, I'm going to describe in as much detail as i possibly can. First off, This was without a doubt the most profound whilst simultaneously the most frightening experience i have ever encountered. 

         I lied down to do another Meditational/OBE Attempt. I remember slipping in and out of sleep states when suddenly i slammed into full awareness. I felt my entire body in a very deep trance, and decided to will it into a deeper level. Sure enough, It quickly sank into a deeper level of trance. I would feel this very profound knocking/tapping almost painful vibration on the very back of my head. I was laying at an angel ( Like  " \_ " ....Like a reclined chair ) and i could feel my upper body drop through the pillows to level out flat. I knew i wasn't physically doing this obviously. Well, This happened about twice, and then I'd snap back awake, then do it again.

         Well i remember the knocking becoming seriously annoying and just about painful, So i went to jump up off my bed. When i noticed i couldn't see, and i felt as if i was choking. Couldn't breath right. I looked around and just felt ridiculously confused. I then felt as if the brain in my skull started to bleed, I honestly FELT liquid pooring from the top of my head, down my face, with that knocking still tapping at the back of my head. I then completely lost it ( I know...Where i messed up )....And screamed for help. This happened after about the 2nd or 3rd false awakening.

         Then, something strange happened. a very transparent figure appeared just between my feet. I could barely make out a face, Of a younger male, with a large smile. He reached towards me with both hands and said, " Here.....Just try to relax..... " I felt at complete ease, But still asked, " Wait........You are a good guy?....Right? " , He kinda chuckled, and replied, " Of course, Just relax now. "

         He grabbed both my hands, and we both just slowly raised up off the bed. Not knowing exactly how or when, all of a sudden, By his lead, we were quickly jolting and flying through a dark tunnel like area. He looked at me and said " This is one of the view bad parts about it.....Its kinda like Tripping.......But its okay, Its just an accident. " ..I asked, " Accident?....What do you mean?....I was just laying down?... " He chuckled once again and replied " I know i know, Its okay.......Its kinda the same reason people tell ya not to do drugs!.. "..

         The tunnel grew dark, Until i couldn't see anymore, And then i -ACTUALLY- awoke in my bed, My eyes jolted open in relief, and i just out of my bed to write it all down.

         I had never experienced such discomfort in my life. I remember trying SO hard to speak to him, Ask questions, I just couldn't breath enough to get any words out. I was aware the whole time. I absolute KNEW i was just laying down in bed......What the hell kinda episode was this!?.....I can't make sense out of any of it except, Whoever/Whatever helped me.....Was 110% Genuinely Positive. I was VERY thankful at that time.

Any opinions!?

~Za Hourou Iki

Well, I'm finding this a little strange o.O;...

           For those of you that have read my previous posts, Things have been going rather well. I had several of my first fully conscience projections, Got to explore some beautiful territories, and had some wonderful breakthroughs on what exactly i have to do to successfully take advantage of such practices......But i feel i may have....Hit a rut?

          I don't understand it, But I've continued my normal practice that has lead to great results, But for about a month now....Its been dead. Just falling asleep, and maybe a funky dream, Is about all that I've experienced the past month or so. I took a week break a couple weeks ago, Cleared my mind and just did regular cultivations and meditations for energy. Came back into practice, Still nothing.

          Anyone else experience this?....If so, What would you recommend? Maybe switching into some different practices?.....Its weird, Because i had some of my first mind-blowing experiences just a couple months ago, doing the exact practices i'm doing now?


Hrmm?.....Any advice/opinions?   

~BlueTone
             Za Hourou Iki

Hello guys!,
               Okay, I really feel compelled to share my experience, In how i went from having no Lucid Dreams, to having 4 just a couple hours ago!!!
Okay, My first one was just about completely on accident. I woke up after only getting about 5 1/2 hours of sleep. I tried to stay away, had a few cups of coffee, But it wasn't happening, So i passed out on the couch. Had a short, very unclear, But fairly lucid dream......That....was nothing compared of whats to come

The following 3 dreams i had were lucid.....and about 4 times EACH throughout the dream, I kept saying " Clear up!! " Or " Clarity, Clarity, CLARITY!! " and the entire environment would beautifully clear up into a wonderful clarity. Each of my last three dreams felt as tho they lasted FOREVER!

Okay, So here's what i did that worked SSOO WELL

I think what helped on this matter, was how exhausted i was. Because upon waking up from a short nap, i gave very few seconds before i dropped my head, closed my eyes, and drifted back off. HOWEVER....Here was the process i took to have such good lucid dreams


I created a particular area and environment that I'm familiar with. I chose a circle of grass right in front of my house that i am very familiar of what it looks like. And i imagined the ground of what it would look like, if i was walking in wide circles, staring down at it. The grass just spun and spun and spun. I continuously kept saying in my head " I'm just dreaming....Its only my dream.....I'm just dreaming.... ".....Eventually, as i drifted into sleep, I noticed the patch of grass i was visualizing....was VERY VIVID.......I was now looking at it. I would stop walking into circles....and look up...and there it is...My house. The rest of the yard.....EVERYTHING!....I would scream " Clarity!...Clear up! "....and it would become a beautiful clear area...

I REALLY have to have people try this technique and let me know how it works for them. I am so incredibly stoked, i truly feel as tho i have had a personal breakthrough. Next step.....Lucid Dream Induced OBE!  ^o^;

~Ryan D
~Za Hourou Iki~

First off, This is my very first post on this website, but i have read many threads, and really like what this place is doing. I am a ridiculously large fan of Robert Bruce, own both Astral Dynamics and Mastering Astral Projection: 90 Day Guide. I am a 9 year student of an old style martial arts, Kung Fu based that has a great deal of Qigong ( Kung Chi ) Training involve, and have been cultivating my bodily energies for quite sometime. Now, even though i have been trained to cultivate these energies for the sake of toughening my body, improving speed and accuracy, and the such.....It is still the very same life energy that is responsible for any Metaphysical Phenomenon.

With that sad, I'm having a very serious problem. I have been, on and off, practicing conscience projections for about 5 years....Sense i had a guided projection by my teacher about 6 years ago. The first experience blew my mind to where i simply had to find out more. I had about 2 experiences after that on my own....But I've run across a whole new problem.

The last 6 or so attempts that I've had, something frighteningly wrong is happening. I'll reach the deep level of trance, loosing almost all sensations of my body, feeling as tho I'm hovering just inches off the floor. Right when i enter the vibration state i begin an exit technique. Then, suddenly, I feel as tho heartbeat just takes off. Now i know the heart Chakra can mimic this sound, so i try very hard to ignore it. But then it just gets painfully strong, and i find it hard to breath. It ends up breaking away my concentration and i sit up. BUT, when i sit up, i put my hand on my chest, And its my actual heart, beating that erratically. Its actually like a painful misfire, that causes my heart and entire chest to just Freak out!!......I thought it was fear, And i went past that. Now, i just don't understand what it could be. Am i entering the vibration state while my body is still away, and I'm " physically " experiencing them?....thus freaking out my body?.....I just don't understand why it keeps happening?


Any and all help or info would be more than greatly appreciated.

~Ryan D.