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Hello!
I would like to ask those here who regularly perform OBE and have trouble with negs (core-image attachments etc). How do the negs behave at you on the astral plane? Do they appear in typical hostile way??

I haven't yet learnt how to travel astrally (consciously) but I intend to start learning how to do so this summer, as I want to find how the negs and their energies are located astrally in my room.

I've had OBE experiences while asleep. In a recent one I felt like I was tossed around in a circular way (by  the negs maybe?). I could clearly see my sleeping room, then I was sucked into my computer screen (?!), and then I awoke rapdly. In another OBE I was confronted by a unseen but very strong astral barrier that slammed me real hard, someone here said that it mght have been The dweller on the threshold, but I don't believe so.
The other OBE experiences in the dream state I have had have been more like I'm being in control, travelling where I want but with some limitations, such as experiencing the surface of the moon.

To add to a previous discussion regarding negs and weapons, I'd like to make a point about negs and images.
I've discovered that negs can attach themselves to photographs, if certain pictures are used in connection with erotic activity of any kind. This can manifest itself even to the point that the picture of, let's say a sexy girl, suddenly becomes slightly animated.
The best thing if this is discovered, if one has problems with negs, is to destroy the picture. I did so,tearing it apart, and experienced anger from the neg (I could sense it's resentment).
The preferable method, when obliterating, would probably be using fire, in connection with some sort of ritual. BUt the diificult thing is to obliterate all "neg-branches".

I´ve often wondered how intelligent negs (those that frequently attack) are; as some equal them to elementals who are said to only have the intelligence levels of an animal.
More powerful qlippoth, archdemons,  are of course said to be extremely intelligent.

But as my attacks have had patterns that reveal more intelligence than that of an animalistic predator this would prove that other qlippoth of the grander ranks might be involved.

It would be interesting to have a demonological listing here and their various subspecies.

Hello!

Is there anyone here that has worked with flower essences (such as Alaskan, etc.) in healing and psychic protection, I´m thinking about trying it out as a supplementary remedy for my neg-problem.

Hello!

I´ve been trying to learn the technique of identifying the core images and get them out.
The most tangible points where I know that the images/negs are located are the temples, and the right eye, as I can often feel a magnetic pressure there.

Imagining these centres to be like ropes, I was able to get hold of some of them and some images (used by the negs) popped up, I tried hacking at them with a sword, an axe, as well as picturing the symbol for SPIRIT the wheel before them (this had an interesting dynamic effect) as well as THE PENTAGRAM.

But the problem for me is to be able to know when you have the branches/roots in your grip.

When I´m doing SETTING OF THE WARDS OF POWER (the calyx part) I find that the white light is difficult to channel down, which must mean that there are neg obstructions in the way.

Are there any ways to screen the aura of yourself, like using crystals or any meditational method? I´m also thinking in terms of  the use of the crystals ability to create a magnetism that can help to more easily detect the core images and "suck them out" - like a vacuum cleaner.
Herkimerdiamond is said to be effective, for instance.

Hello!

After a succesful ritual session last night, before going to sleep, my thoughts lingered on how to approach the egyptian god Khonsu, who is associated with exorcism. Then, before going to sleep, I imagined myself giving a wine-offering to the deity, as I did there was a magnetic surge in the astral vision.
Then I experienced being covered by a white silvery veil of light.
Has anyone had any encounters of this kind?

I´ve had contacts with the deity Anubis before, at that time I gave him an offering of the wadjet eye, and received a response of well-done and an adress to me in an ancient egyptian name, which was not just a mental fancy, but actually a true name, which meaning I have later on uncovered, at least in symbolism, through my Egyptological studies.
Anyone else who has had spontaneous astral encounters of this kind?

Hello!

I recently read Robert´s article on core image removal and as I´m open to try anything that might help me get rid of the negs, I did my first try.
I concentrated on erotic images that I know have been used in attacks against me and then I pictured them as pictures that I tried to reverse, some as Robert says in his article, were hard to move, one pornographic one which seemed a bit magnetic when turned exposed a nasty head, I tried to hack at this with an imaginary sword, it was hard seeing if I was succesful at this, when I discovered that someone, probably the higher self, assisted me in sending a blast of brilliant light and the head started burning and melting.
 I haven´t seen any branches yet, but as my astral vision is rather weak, blac&white and the image is rather little. re there any specific techniques to improve on the astral vision?

Also I was attacked last night at bedtime and went up and sliced some garlic and rubbed it in my face, round the tmples, and it was a highly succesful defense, even better than the psychic efense etheric oil that I have. The only thing is that you smell a bit. Highly recommnded!

As I have had my share of nightmares, that are clearly in retrospect, made to make me feel dread, guilt, (before the attacks intensified in 1994, I hadn´t had nightmares in ten years, and I´m not easily scared, also  I´m a horrorfilm buff ).

Do negs have the ability to shape dreams to fit heir attacking purpose, e.g. control the astral light, or is this the making of another type of attacker?

Most are attributed to you yourself.

Hmm almost like alchemist associations with planets (wich is also assoiated with metals)

Saturn : Blocking ,protection,slowing down procesess(including life and mood processes, so despair and gloom is also saturnine qualitys).
Jupiter:Jovial ,lust ,practility.
Mars : Energy  ,strenght,masculinity.
Moon :Fantasy ,dream ,pureness(also mirroring the sun but moons pureness is  antiseptic rather than burning of sun ).
Mercury : Swift thinking ,spirit ,combining opposing elements togheater.
Venus : Beauty ,tranqulity ,feminity
Sun  : Abundance ,hearth , Pureness(by burning)

Seems prettymuch the same exept for Saturn and perhaps Mars . Saturn definitions are pretty much opposing.Wonder why this is so . Isnt Rosecrusian a offshot from alchemy?

quote:Originally posted by Mathias Jonsson

I've started to experiment with brushing techniques, and felt that it is a technique very worthwhile for me to do, for those who know that they have neglinks or suspect so, it is perhaps the most important one next to doing banishing rituals, besides meditation and the destroying of core-images of course.

I mentioned this technique a while ago in response to a question by someone wanting to clean house. Having done an amount of contact healing in the past one method that I use on occasion is to extend the healing energy beyond my finger tips and with the intent to feel  resistance when coming across external connections during the brushing movements. When resistance is encountered I will then apply that same healing energy to clean the location, sometimes I will follow the linkage using the same technique in order to gather more info.

quote:I've also discovered that pointing towards an object at a core attachment point, such as the back of a pen or pencil, somehow disturb the energies, in a similar way to brushing.

I have also done this, sometimes when starting I might be holding a pencil or pen and using the above method the object works almost in a pendulum manner in that it responds to the 'obstruction' and as it has a point it is also useful for removal

I too note the immediacy of the brushing method, a simple brush stroke will sometimes clear what appears to be a major intrusion leaving an area feeling very clean and free.

Thats a very important observation, as they appear to be two things very closeley related, perhaps even the same.

glad to hear, hang on

if there's one thing that the etheric animals hate is being constantly bothered.

just keep at it and eventually they'll find less resistant prey

Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm.

Stephen []

Yes, the image represents the problem, but the chord represents what keeps it there. Information should be taken from the chord as well as the entity.

Sometimes, a demon behind could represent bad memories or a sneakiness, but a demon in front could represent an obstacle to overcome.

For me, the tracing of values back to their origin is what sloughs away each layer of the illusion. In some cases, the entity merely represents your uncertainty of purpose, which may be cleared up in this way.

These are the proverbial vampires, who can't pass over your door stoop without permission. You will have to absolve something that gave them a legal right to be attached to you. Sometimes simply addressing this is the key, but until the problem is solved, they can always re-find their attachment points.

Creation from the heart...which is what art really is...that'll make any neg uncomfortable.

sounds like some sick succubus...gross.

I know what's the problem...

You are a Were Wolf.[]

Ok, bad joke...

Well I really don't know much about this but such strange things do happen with people when they learn magick. Maybe the full moon energy field interrupts with your aura or something. Did you get such lack in abilities before practicing Magick?

I am not specifically familiar with the Five Tibetan yoga.
You might look into the books by Mantak Chia on Taoist Inner Alchemy.
They basically tell you how to run energy through the body ,store it and remove blockages.  Blockages need to be removed first, and then the energy accumulated and stored.  If blockages aren't removed first problems can arise both physically and mentally.
There is a way of storing Chi in the organs and muscles that creates a protective layer of interior power that enables the body to withstand injury called Iron Shirt Chi Kung.  I am not too sure how much a person can learn from a book with regards to this.  See if there is a Healing Tao instructor where you live.
I think the web address is universaltao.com
jkvoelk

well, i'd think what you'd do in each situation might be unique dependant on that situation. for instance, if you were planning a war against another country, would it be smart to do the same thing if you were going to the US as it would to attack china? no. so why would you always only ever do the same thing for each being that attacked you?

variance due to variable factors (ie adaptability) should always be taken into consideration.

~kakkarot

Hey, Mathias.

My guess would be you have contacted a group of ascended masters. Good
job on your development!!


Best

Have you heard of doing a retreat in complete darkness with no contact with other people for over an extended period of time, at least ten days? With no light and no way of keeping track of time, the sleeping and waking states tend to blend together. Dreaming becomes lighter and more conscious while being awake becomes closer to dreaming. It is supposed to be such a powerful experience that preparing for it with some training is advised.

All I know from experience is that choosing not to shut down the chakras after raising energy does not seem to cause harm. Instead, after raising energy, I have been using the methods from chi kung of circling the energy into the tan tien. NEW suggests placing energy into the subnavel storage center but suggests more the circulating of energy through the full body circuit, which would do the same thing. If you allow excess energy to stick in the heart, brain, or other internal organs it can cause unpleasant side effects. Closing down the chakras must be a variation on the theme of drawing away excess energy from the places most likely to suffer from it.

Mathias,
I'll try and be brief, but as you know these things are never as simple to explain as they should be.
Infact I hope a lot of people read this post as what I'm about to explain to you is VERY important and concerns everyone on this site, some will have experienced this and some not, it's for the individual to decide.

The tower of light or the middle pillar excercise based on the golden dawn tradition or any other for that matter serve only one purpose; and unfortunately it's not what most think it is.....................let me explain.

Magic is not about power or supernatural abilities as most people think......it's about PERSONAL spiritual evolution, and when I say personal that means personal. To join any group or magical system can help in the beginning (books are better) but it is alone  and totally alone that one can progress.

Ok! lets get to the point of this post.

The middle pillar or TOL serve only to re-enforce your 'guardian de Seuil' or guardian of the door/threshold. this dark brother is your other half, the entity that carries your present incarnation on this earth, the entity that will stop at nothing to prevent you from evolving spiritualy. This guardian is part of you and it is someone that you must vainquish in order to advance. This guardian is quite happy to exist in the material world and takes it as a personal attack if you try and evolve.
What you probably experienced was a warning attack from your threshold guardian.......believe me they can be quite dramatic!!!!!!!!! If he appears as a threataning figure then the best way to defeat him is to let him approach and at the VERY LAST second turn and stab him with your astral sword.
The fact that he attacked you is the fact that you are progressing and he wants to stop you........The TOL and the middle Pillar only serve to strengthen him so you should stop these excercises and concentrate only on the pentagrams and heptagrams that will increase your protection and evolution.
Once you have defeated your threshold guardian then you will be free to advance.

Here to confuse..........Alchimiste

Hey Mathias.

I have trouble with Roberts method, also. I have done it successfully, but not all that often. What has turned out to be the best for me is searching  the energy body for them, and pulling them out. If I have a repetitive negative thought, usually I can follow this to its source. The chakras, and the brain seem to be the major points of contact. And the spine seems to have a lot of roots in it.

A couple of ways that helped me identify and weaken them was "lighting up" my energy body with divine white light, and looking for places that did not light up, or became uncomfortable with the light. Something else that works very well, is a modification of the Rapido technique. Instead of physically doing it, do it with the energy in your energy body. That combined with the white light should both identify and wear them down.

On the thread "why not just shield" there are a couple of methods for removal. If you can get a location, building a shield around them, and only allowing positive energy to get inside, lighting it and vibrating (Rapido) it works very well. Chips hard at them. A blowtorch of DWL works on the "tendrils" that come off of them.

When I first started doing core removal, a lot of was perceived as black leafless trees. I just went to work with a sword and blowtorch. Had the energy body charged up, and felt around for wrong stuff. Felt like a there was a forest just under my skull. If you find some like I did, it may be a good idea to burn each cut as you chop. Keeps the stronger ones from growing back.

Best of luck.

Oh yeah, shielding myself from negativity was damaging to the whole setup also.

In eastern traditions, women are considered to be active and powerful. Kundalini at one end of the spine, and Shiva at the other. Shiva is credited with wisdom, but by himself he cannot even move.

In Taoism, isn't the goal to combine male and female aspects of the same person, rather than seeking completion by pairing up whole people?

Welcome to the forum!

Good luck with your projections--you can find a lot of helpful hints here.

Jeni

Hi there!
I guess it might a matter of concentration and visaulisation ability.
I konw that I am wery bad at this, and thus cannot use the Core Image Removal technic at al. But My guess is that it al is a matter of concentration and taming the minds eye to obey what you want it to do and se.

Felix

-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

Mathias Jonsson

Thank you for the effort and thought you have put into your post. I found it educational, insightful and an inspiration to keep reading and learning.

My personal experience has been that walking the middle pillar is not easy. Being that my grounding was generic fuzzy wiccan magick I found that acknowledging the existance of my darker self difficult. So I seemingly attempted to embrace it in an attempt to learn and find balance. I have never practiced 'negative' magic, but have found it can be easy to become infactuated with my 'dark' self. Being a nice shade of grey is logical to me, and I will learn as I grow.

Your reference to the GD and ego greatly interests me. I have been reading and begining to practice GD rituals and the idea of developing a god complex concerns me somewhat.    

Regards David

Veni Vidi Vici

Aum is another good one I guess, or the name of watever your favourit diety of war might be.. or other god/ godes..
Hadit, the winged globe of energy burning within might be good, or the
protective arched body of Nuit..


-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

Hi Mathias,

In the first part of your post I can relate 100% I know it well.

I actually gave myself to the old hag [by raising my arms and exhaling]in my "second" encounter,sick and disscusting as it may seem,I was releived.[but that was only  the old hag]
Everything else in the sense of or method of attack is the same as you post!

I also know the intravienous method.As if someone was injecting drugs upon approach.

To little time,on the move,gotta go,,see ya all in a month!!!!!

Ultra peace to all,Andy

There are no psychic police.  Instead, there are multitudes of individuals and groups which happily set themselves up as a sort of vigilante task force.

The majority of these are not in contact with one another, and a great many of them do not necessarily agree on what situations are appropriate to intervene in, and which are not.  They occasionally come into direct conflict with one another, as a result.

So, it's not out of the question that your plea for help found SOMEONE.
For an example on a group that acts in this manner, see http://www.psybernation.com
You may or may not agree with it, but it's out there.


--Winged Wolf
"I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me, and I will walk into the fire, 'til its heat doesn't burn me, and I will feed the fire...."

The dark patch, along with the rest of it, makes me think that what that dark spot is, is actually an anchor--that is, a psychic docking point for whoever/whatever put it there, to make it easier for them to link to you.

Cut away and remove the net, and in particular remove the anchor, and shield--or have someone else do the above.  (Shielding is particularly important as whoever/whatever did this may be alerted by the tampering, and attack the one doing it...not to mention making the whole thing harder by reinforcing it).


--Winged Wolf
"I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me, and I will walk into the fire, 'til its heat doesn't burn me, and I will feed the fire...."