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Found this article and I think someone will benefit from this technique ither for obe's or just for meditation.

http://belsebuub.com/articles/astral-projection-technique-concentration-on-the-heart

Recently I've started meditation before bed and I've been getting vivid horrifyingly dreams which wakes me up in fear in the night.  I Googled this and it seems quite common and I'm still waiting for a reply on a gnostic forum on this issue. 

So I like to post it here and see what you guys think of it ^^ 

The main key elements of the dreams are:

Day 1  Demon baby   
Day 2 Forgotten this one
Day 3 Horribly disfigured people

No idea if this would help get an idea of the interpretation of the symbolism but have a go and let me know what you think ^^

Woke up in the night and was trying to get back to sleep and I was in a day dreaming mode. I some how managed to stick to one day dream which was opening doors and kept doing this till I was somehow able to imagine I could move as I open more doors.

It got faster and I started to feel like I'm running and I could feel the door knobs and turning them and I did this for awhile and then I entered a bathroom and had clear vision. Is this phasing?

This is what the video is pose to be about: "A story about the fire at the heart of suffering. 
Bringing together dancers, musicians, visual artists and 3d animators, the film takes a critical look at the events of the past decade that have shaped our world."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eMnKDZ6csM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If you don't understand the symbolism in the video you can find tons of videos that will show you every symbols that is being presented in this creepy video.

This is really anoying me and I'm confused on what to believe and I just want strait answers to tell me I'm on the right path. 

I will not go into channeling cause I don't trust letting things control my speech or movements, also it's forbidden in many scriptures. 

I could do a 1 to 1 type thing but I don't know how to do that but I won't let it become one with me if you know what I mean.

My ideal of doing this is by doing what Lao Tzu and Matthew 6 taught which is to surrender to the source and it will guide you. But I don't know how to do that and like... They don't even give us tips on how to allow this force to guide you on the right path. Not only that but the force also gives you wisdom like Buddha had when he did it. 

So my question is, how do I reach this goal? No doubt meditation but what else? How can I be a true Jedi?    

alex jones talks to a undercover journalist who got himself into the security job at the olimpics and he talks about what happend and what may happen while the olimpics is on. The guy is trying to get the info out in the media but he is haven a hard time but apparnty he does alot of filming and part of the BBC (if I remmber correctly) def worth watching and hope this isn't true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT9ghaGAdF8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Saw this on YouTube and had to look it  up so here is the artical.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105714/Secret-14million-Bible-Jesus-predicts-coming-Prophet-Muhammad-unearthed-Turkey.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Was watching this mormon video and all I can think of is the new age movement that has simular concepts of Mormonism o_O what do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_riamLAbuTQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

was pose to make it simple but I got carried away and so I wrote more concepts in 

I was Reading the first chapter of john in different  versons of the bible and what is intresting is that some say "and the word was a god" instead of "the word was God" now at the start is says "In the beginning" we all know that God has no beginning so this logos is a second god as we can see in the first verse.  Now this logos created life and without it nothing was made so in genisis it was the logos who said "let us make man in our own image" also the Elohim is plural for Gods so this adds on nicely with the new testement.

There's no contridiction in john and the first chapter of genisis cause it's pose to say "in the beginning of God's creation" cause remmber God doesn't have a beginning. 

So there was a prime God like Brahman who can never be seen and he create other gods out of himself who has there own personality and I think this has the same concept in the bible. Instead in this verson brahman is Jehovah and Jesus is brahma the creator of the world as well as consciousness which is why he said:
"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you"   

So Jesus is pretty much a god but not the prime God. 
Also we have 3 Gods in both bible and Hindu scriptures. 

Bible: The Logos,the Wisdom,the Prime. 

Hindu scriptures: Shiva,Vishnu,brahma 

Jesus not only is the creator of the world but also a Vishnu who comes once in every age to bring balance to the world. He came as Krishna 5,000 years ago and he came back 2,000 years ago.  So many parallels in all religions it's amazing!

When we put all religions as one we can see how epic all storys are when we put them together and can see how each genarations has similar teachings to tell.  
  

for the very first time we get to see what humans are capable of and the power hidden from within.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYxCrugJj_o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ruMDp2L9w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This song was in the trailer for the upcomming disney movie and the song is very deep in a spiritual sence. I don't know if this song will be used in the movie but the song has a deeper meaning if you have ears to hear~ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-KwP8581M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Good video with a list of UFO reserchers who got killed.
To bad william miller and richard clay wasn't on the list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBA1OLi9gAI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

incase anyone is intrested, I added another video that has that Phil Schneider Talk in the first link I sent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIyXcznVui8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

So what do you guys think of this video? Could this be a sign of planet's doing there thing which kinda relates to David wilcock's idea of planets doing some wave thing and will reach earth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmcxkClRNxE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I found this quite intresting.
You know the story how Moses broke the original Commandments and had to make a new one? Well the new one is alot diffent then the first.

1.  For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

2.  Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

3.  The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.

4.  All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

5.  Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

6.  And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7.  Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel.

8.  Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the feast of the Passover be left until the morning. 

9.  The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.

10.  Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

After this was giving to Moses god then says:


Exodus 34
27  And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28  And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The source: http://faithskeptic.50megs.com/realten.htm

I was just Reading about the "New Heaven and New Earth" in the bible and I came to an intresting verse which state:

There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. (Isaiah 65:20 KJV)

And NIV verson:

"Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed. (Isaiah 65:20 NIV)

From what i'm understanding from theses verses is that, once the new heaven and earth is made, we will still die but die to the max age. If you die under 100 years it will be cause you have sinned and is cursed.

Is my interpretation of this verse right?  

I'm trying to find a link or book that has Krishna's life while on earth. Is it in one of the Vedas? Iv read the Gita and it doesn't really go into his life as a child etc

I was just thinking about the consciousness and subconsciousness and I think we got it wrong. In the dictionary it stated:

the totality of mental processes of which the individual is not aware; unreportable mental activities.

This sounds very much like our normal state where we think we are our thoughts. We are always lost in thought and never in the present moment.

Here's what consciousness means:

the state of being conscious; awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc.

Our thoughts should be the subconsciousness not our "Being". And when we stop the voices in the head and stay present we are fully consciousness and aware of our surroundings.      

I found this idea intresting and thought I'll share ^_^

Mind you there are others that say similar thing but it's mostly "unconsciousness" vs "consciousness"    


Note:
I think I just misunderstood the meaning of subconsciousness but i already posted the topic -_-

Does anyone know any type of Being that fits the description:

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, 

whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, 

which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 
For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, (1 Timothy 4:1-4 NIV)

I can't think of any being that is being channeled that does any of this or teach it. Well the only ones I saw only teach that we are one and part of source (nothing new) 

Two Russian girls who found out they were accidentally switched at birth, have decided to stay with the families that raised them.

DNA testsrevealed they had been sent home from thematernity hospitalwith the wrong parents 12 years ago.
Anya andIrinawere born minutes apart in 1999 in the same ward and were accidentally given the wrong name tags.

They grew up within close distance of each other in the town of Kopeisk,eastern Russia, and were unaware of their true identities.
The case only came to light whenYuri Belyaeva, the ex-husband ofYuliya Belyaeva, refused to pay child support because his darker-skinned daughter, Irina, did not look like him.

The truth was revealed after two DNA tests showed that not only was he not biologically related to Irina, but neither was his ex-wife.

Once the mix up was uncovered, the local police tracked down the couple's real daughter,Anya, who had been raised by Irina'sbiological parentsacross town.

Yuliya filed a formal complaint against the hospital and the families are now suing the hospital for £99,900 in damages.

Yuliya told BBC News: "It was true. Their daughter, Anya, was blonde and looked just like me and my ex-husband. And our daughter was dark-skinned and had dark hair and looked like the other father. He's a Tajik, and she looked just like him."

"Suddenly my whole world turned upside down and inside out," she said, adding that: "As soon as I saw her, it was like looking at a copy of me as a child."

The girls have been brought up with very different religious backgrounds and traditions. Despite this the two families, both of which have been through divorces, are now trying to bond.

"It's terrible for both of them," Yuliya told the BBC. "They've grown up with one set of parents, now they've found out they have a different mother and father. Neither child wants to leave their home. Irina keeps saying to me: 'Mum, please don't give me away'. I comfort her by saying: 'I would never do anything against your wishes. Nothing has changed. I'm still your mother'."
Anya and Irina have decided to remain with their non-biological parents as neither of them want to leave their family.

http://uk.m.yahoo.com/w/ygo-frontpage/lp/story/uk/58139/coke.bp%3B_ylt=AgQ4J8Wsec0am9wvMf377yux.tw4%3B_ylu

The ego and the "pain body" are the causes of our suffering. 

1:The ego interperts the "pain body" and mirrors it, creating both energys into 1 which manifest. 

2: to manifest a desire, the ego needs to create and then it sends to the "pain body" and manifest itself outwards. 

It has been documented that the heart does all the action with thought, which means that all our ideas will project from the mind to the heart and outwards into reailty.

Which is what the Tao te ching said 2,600 years ago.

"Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.
Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations."

Now I'm not sure if "heart" and eckhart tolle's term "pain body" is the same thing but I think it is.
It seems that both ego and the heart are the causes of our sufferings, but it depends on our motives I guess. 
It's like our "pain body" is a type of anoying little kid that won't stop bugging the ego till it gets what it wants. Once the emotion activates the ego, the ego then mirrors it and become 1 with the "pain body".

Could someone please explain to me the diffrnce between: heart and pain body. Also what is the true meaning of the phase: "follow your heart"?  

 


 

 
     

First jedi name: 1st 3 letters of last name + 1st 2 letters of first name.

Last jedi name: 1st 2 letters of mother's maiden name + 1st 3 letters of city you were raised in.

Mines: Ant-Ja Twger

^_^

 

[the kingdom of God is within you]

"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:20, 21 KJV)

"Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." (Matthew 6:25-34 KJV)

He's saying that the "father" will look after you if you seek the kingdom of god and his righteousness. Isn't this the same concept as Tao? Also known as the Jedi force in star wars. 
  




 

on this site it goes into topics on ufo's and gods and the greatest Deception.
What's intresting is that they are saying that only the gods fly in ufo's and they prove this by showing a chunck of bible verses. The hole Satan and demon theroy don't fly ufo's cause they are grounded on earth.
It's intresting cause the net is flooded with false massiah invasion who will trick us into fighting the good beings.

One of the quotes from the site:

"All the Tribes of the Earth Mourn the Coming of Jesus
·  "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Matthew 24:30) 
 Here, the reality kicks in. Why would the entire world mourn at the appearance of its Savior? The word "sign" comes from the Greek word "semeion", pronounced say-mi'-on, meaning; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: The word mourn comes from the Greek word 'kopto', pronounced kop'-to; meaning "to "chop"; specially, to beat the breast in grief". How could such a blessed and desired event, fully expected by the world for a score of centuries, cause such extreme anxiety worldwide? It could, if enough people are convinced that a huge fleet of high tech vehicles flying into our atmosphere must certainly be an alien invasion, which they must fight against." 
 
As we already know, our screens are being flooded with alien invasion and programs showing evidence of aliens being on earth long time ago. Have you notised the ufo's in the media and how the religus people already saying it's demons? 

http://www.bibleufo.com/coming4.htm

I'm keeping an open mind on this idea cause it's possable. Best thing to do if any type of event happens is not to follow the crowd and stick to the narrow path. The wide path leads to destructon.

 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47) 

It's amazing and well explained on how it all began

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQFIo1lFbk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_magic/affirmations_sigils_and_the_subconscious-t30844.0.html;msg250044#msg250044

This is alittle diffrnt from what I watched..  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX19IvY5CWc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Does it matter how we do it? I'm doing the one in the link above me and see how that goes but I'll try out this one next time. Isn't the masterbation methord black magic? Cause in what iv learned in sexual magic that fireing sperm is black magic unless your doing gray magic which is only occasionlly you ejecaliate.

If nothing happens in 2012 what would you do? This question is mainly for the hardcore belivers of the golden age but anyone can join in ^_^

For me personally I'd start learning to play dungeons and dragons and magic the gathering so I can join clubs full of geeks and become a great master of rpg games. I also like to find a nice belief (prolly gnosic or jedi) and just live in my own little fantasy world till my time is over.

A group of the Essenes who wrote the Dead sea scrolls wrote a book called "The Essenes book of Revelation" dating back 150 BCE and 70 BC and I was looking at the bible revelation and the Essenes verson and you can clearly see the bible copied and changed the writings of the Essenes.

Essenes verson:
"There appeared a great wonder in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,
And upon her head a crown of seven stars.
And I knew she was the source of running streams
And the mother of the forests."

Bible verson:
"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:" (Revelation 12:1 KJV)

Notised how many stars were changed from 7 to 12? 


Essenes verson:
"But, I saw not what befell them, for my vision changed,
And I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth;
For the first Heaven and the first Earth had passed away;
And there was no more sea.
And I saw the holy city of the brotherhood
Coming down from God out of Heaven,
Prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying:
"Lo, the mountain of the Lord's house 
Is established in the top of the mountains 
And is exalted above the hills; 
And all people shall flow to it. 
Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, 
To the house of God; 
And he will teach us of his ways, 
And we will walk in his paths: 
For out of the Holy Brotherhood shall go forth the Law. 
Behold, the Tabernacle of God is with men, 
And he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, 
And God himself will be with them, and be their God.'
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
And there shall be no more death,
Neither sorrow, nor crying,
Neither shall there be any more pain:
For the former things have all passed away.
Those who made war shall beat their swords into ploughshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks:
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore:
For the former things have passed away.

And he spoke again: "Behold I make all things new.
I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.
I will give to him that thirsts at the Fountain of the Water of Life freely.
He who overcomes shall inherit all things,
And I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
But the fearful, and the unbelieving,
And the abominable, and murderers, and all liars,
Shall dig their own pit which burns with fire and brimstone."

Bible verson:
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:1-6, 8 KJV)

They added more things in the bible verson Like sorcerers and whoremongers and idolaters plus the second death. The writer of the Essence is unknown but the bible verson calls himself john. Another thing i notised was this verse: 

"And he who kills with the sword must be killed by the sword."

Look familiar?

"for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52 NIV)

You can read the full verson of the Essence here:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/revelation.htm

It's amazing when you look into diffent types of beliefs and cultures cause your start to see where ideas and storys comes from and they evolve over time. Only this time john made sure no one will write the  revelation again:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18, 19 KJV)

Thanks for Reading =D

Been working with manta: Om Mani Padme Hum latly and found it helps alot when images and thoughts enters the mind and focusing on the mantra just pushes them away as they popup. I'm looking at a new mantra that was
Giving by Samael Aun Weor which changed the "Ni" to "Si" and I can't find anything outside of the gnosticteachings.org that teaches this mantra. 
A quote from Samael Aun Weor:
"To be in that blessed state, or to observe thoughts without identifying with them, is something very difficult, but we have to start at least doing it when we close our eyes, in order to meditate, in order to contemplate God. There is a mantra which helps us activate that remembrance of God: 
OM MASI PADME HUM. This mantra activates the pineal gland and the heart together, in order to stay here and now, because we are always out of the state of awareness."

I searched the forms on the gnostic site about it and found this:

"The timeless mantra Om Masi Padme Yum was previously only given in the internal planes, until Samael Aun Weor began teaching it publicly. The letter S relates to the secret fire, which is awakened and worked with by those who have been initiated into the inner knowledge. This is why it was not taught publicly before, because in the past no one in the public knew how to work with the inner fire. If you go to any authentic lama in the internal worlds, they will teach you the mantra with the S."

Any thoughts on this? 

How long does it take to get a connection and what is it like? Do you hear voices or is it like a "brainwave"? I'm trying to reach that state but I don't know what the signs are to know your doing it right etc. I seek Gnosis (knowledge) and guidence incase your wondering why I'm asking ^_^ 

I'm trying to understand who this "holy spirit" guy is cause I thought it was Sophia but it's a male and he stays with you forever from what the bible is saying. Is he like a higherselve type person cause it says he's the Helper and the Comforter. And that's usely what the higherselve is plus you can channel them which is the same as this being giving you "ideas/brainwaves".

Oh I think I got it now but just to make sure, what do you guys think?

Holy spirit = personal higherselve

Sophia = spiritual wisdom from the heavens/dimentions

It looks right but the logic feels wrong... Cause the higherselve should comfort and guilde plus give wisdom and there won't be any reason to have poor Sophia....

Note: 
Just for the ones who don't know who Sophia is, she's the goddest of wisdom who Jesus spoke about in the new testement and her role is to give wisdom.

 Matthew 11:19 NIV
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom (Sophia) is proved right by her actions."

Luke 7:35 NIV
But wisdom (Sophia) is proved right by all her children."

Iv been thinking latly on why the new testement took things out of context from the old testement and what I think is going on is that they are showing that history is repeating itself. And if that's the reason why they did that then maby the hole books in the old testement is nothing but prophecys hidden in fiction storys. For sample: the tower of babel is a fufiled prophecy for the twin towers. The falling angels will be ufo's or beings comming from the sky to live on earth etc if this is how the writers of the new testement new how the old testement works then we have missed something very importent about the bible and it's hidden messages.
Someone found an intresting chapter and thinks it could relate to Jesus and his 12 desiples and this is in the old testement
http://the-red-thread.net/bands-beauty.html

http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm

it's kinda depressing but it was used back in the days where it was asepted by who ever was in this religion.
If anyone has read a few parts of the story I like to know what you think on the following.

1:Could the garden of Eden be some type of prision where you can never see dark only light?

2:What do you think of the 5 and a half day promise made to Adam?

When I think about the second one and how people say the earth is 6,000 years old i then started to do alittle maths. The bible god made the earth in 7th day and rested so that would take 7,000 years to put the earth together. After Adam got kicked out he promised him that Adam can come back in 5 days and a half which is 5,500 years so with alittle maths the total years would be 12,500 years. I'm also starting to wonder if this has anything to do with the 2012 thing.

Edited:
just done more maths and if this was to be true, the date  the "curse" would end would be in 2013 may 24th. That's 12,500 years

Like to know if anyone has read his book and your review ^^

Any idea why the storys 100% match here?

http://m.biblestudytools.com/2-kings/19.html

http://m.biblestudytools.com/isaiah/37.html

I wana see what your views are on the following. Could it be a prophecy that is  fulfilled? 


THE DISCIPLES SEE THE TEMPLE AND DISCUSS IT

They [said, "We have seen] a great [house with a large] altar [in it, and] twelve men—they are the priests, we would say—and a name; and a crowd of people is waiting at that altar, [until] the priests [... and receive] the offerings. [But] we kept waiting."
 
[Jesus said], "What are [the priests] like?"

They [said, "Some ...] two weeks; [some] sacrifice their own children, others their wives, in praise [and] humility with each other; some sleep with men; some are involved in [slaughter]; some commit a multitude of sins and deeds of lawlessness. And the men who stand [before] the altar invoke your [name], [39] and in all the deeds of their deficiency, the sacrifices are brought to completion [...]."
After they said this, they were quiet, for they were troubled.
 
 
 
JESUS OFFERS AN ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION OF THE VISION OF THE TEMPLE

Jesus said to them,
"Why are you troubled? Truly I say to you, all the priests who stand before that altar invoke my name. Again I say to you, my name has been written on this [...] of the generations of the stars through the human generations. [And they] have planted trees without fruit, in my name, in a shameful manner."
Jesus said to them,
"Those you have seen receiving the offerings at the altar—that is who you are. That is the god you serve, and you are those twelve men you have seen. The cattle you have seen brought for sacrifice are the many people you lead astray [40] before that altar. [...] will stand and make use of my name in this way, and generations of the pious will remain loyal to him.
 
After him another man will stand there from [the fornicators], and another [will] stand there from the slayers of children, and another from those who sleep with men, and those who abstain, and the rest of the people of pollution and lawlessness and error, and those who say, 'We are like angels'; they are the stars that bring everything to its conclusion. For to the human generations it has been said, 'Look, God has received your sacrifice from the hands of a priest'—that is, a minister of error. But it is the Lord, the Lord of the universe, who commands, 'On the last day they will be put to shame.'" [41]
Jesus said [to them],
"Stop sac[rificing ...] which you have [...] over the altar, since they are over your stars and your angels and have already come to their conclusion there. So let them be [ensnared] before you, and let them go [—about 15 lines missing—] generations [...]. A baker cannot feed all creation [42] under [heaven]. And [...] to them [...] and [...] to us and [...].
Jesus said to them,
"Stop struggling with me. Each of you has his own star, and every[body—about 17 lines missing—] [43] in [...] who has come [... spring] for the tree [...] of this aeon [...] for a time [...] but he has come to water God's paradise, and the [generation] that will last, because [he] will not defile the [walk of life of] that generation, but [...] for all eternity."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/gospel_judas.htm 

[putting this here since it's in our 2012 shadow goverment type thing]

Who else thinks he's a fake and working for the goverment? He only talks about fearful things and things to make you angry. Not once has he spoke about upcoming alien invasions or anything todo with who the "NWO" are. I know he knows about the alien invasion, he's a conspiracy type person so of cause he knows this stuff but he doesn't tell his viewers... And what bugs me is the fact his videos seems to show up in the highlights on YouTube! There's more importent things going on and its on YouTube but some how the only videos that show up on the highlights is alex jones talking crap and putting people in fear. He's useing fear tatics for some reason.

  "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - yoda 

While looking at both Hebrew and Gnostic (Greek) verson of the creation story. I notised that it's telling the same story but more clearer and shocking if you haven't relized what just happend between man and the gods.

"Then the seven of them together laid plans. They came up to Adam and Eve timidly: they said to him, "The fruit of all the trees created for you in Paradise shall be eaten; but as for the tree of knowledge, control yourselves and do not eat from it. If you eat, you will die." Having imparted great fear to them, they withdrew up to their authorities.

Then came the wisest of all creatures, who was called Beast. And when he saw the likeness of their mother Eve he said to her, "What did God say to you? Was it 'Do not eat from the tree of knowledge'?" She said, "He said not only, 'Do not eat from it', but, 'Do not touch it, lest you die.'" He said to her, "Do not be afraid. In death you shall not die. For he knows that when you eat from it, your intellect will become sober and you will come to be like gods, recognizing the difference that obtains between evil men and good ones. Indeed, it was in jealousy that he said this to you, so that you would not eat from it."

Now Eve had confidence in the words of the instructor. She gazed at the tree and saw that it was beautiful and appetizing, and liked it; she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she gave some also to her husband, and he too ate it. Then their intellect became open. For when they had eaten, the light of knowledge had shone upon them. When they clothed themselves with shame, they knew that they were naked of knowledge. When they became sober, they saw that they were naked and became enamored of one another. When they saw that the ones who had modelled them had the form of beasts, they loathed them: they were very aware.

Then when the rulers knew that they had broken their commandments, they entered Paradise and came to Adam and Eve with earthquake and great threatening, to see the effect of the aid. Then Adam and Eve trembled greatly and hid under the trees in Paradise. Then the rulers did not know where they were and said, "Adam, where are you?" He said, "I am here, for through fear of you I hid, being ashamed." And they said to him ignorantly, "Who told you about the shame with which you clothed yourself? - unless you have eaten from that tree!" He said, "The woman whom you gave me - it is she that gave to me and I ate." Then they said to the latter, "What is this that you have done?" She answered and said, "It is the instructor who urged me on, and I ate."

Then the rulers came up to the instructor. Their eyes became misty because of him, and they could not do anything to him. They cursed him, since they were powerless. Afterwards, they came up to the woman and cursed her and her offspring. After the woman, they cursed Adam, and the land because of him, and the crops; and all things they had created, they cursed. They have no blessing. Good cannot result from evil.

From that day, the authorities knew that truly there was something mightier than they: they recognized only that their commandments had not been kept. Great jealousy was brought into the world solely because of the immortal man. Now when the rulers saw that their Adam had entered into an alien state of knowledge, they desired to test him, and they gathered together all the domestic animals and the wild beasts of the earth and the birds of heaven and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. When he saw them, he gave names to their creatures.

They became troubled because Adam had recovered from all the trials. They assembled and laid plans, and they said, "Behold Adam! He has come to be like one of us, so that he knows the difference between the light and the darkness. Now perhaps he will be deceived, as in the case of the Tree of Knowledge, and also will come to the Tree of Life and eat from it, and become immortal, and become lord, and despise us and disdain us and all our glory! Then he will denounce us along with our universe. Come, let us expel him from Paradise, down to the land from which he was taken, so that henceforth he might not be able to recognize anything better than we can." And so they expelled Adam from Paradise, along with his wife. And this deed that they had done was not enough for them. Rather, they were afraid. They went in to the Tree of Life and surrounded it with great fearful things, fiery living creatures called "Cheroubin", and they put a flaming sword in their midst, fearfully twirling at all times, so that no earthly being might ever enter that place."

        VS the Hebrew verson (NIV) 

2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 

17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." 

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" 

3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 

3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 

7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. 

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 

9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" 

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." 

11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

 12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." 

13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." 

16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." 

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 

18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 

19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."  

22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 

23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 

24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Tree of life and tree of knowledge.
 
Adam and eve were mortals and dumb down till they took the fruit of knowledge and there awereness grew, "knowing good and evil". Then the gods kicked them out without haven the fruit from the tree of life so they only went out with just knowledge. This shows how unperfect they were before they touched the fruit...
They were in "perfect" health, but that's about it.

I then remmber a quote made by Jesus when he spoke to the Jews

John 8:31
 "Then said Jesus to those Jews ..."

8:42
"'...If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God..."

8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.'"

The only founder of the Jews/Israel is the Hebrew god Yahweh and it can't be Satan cause he is just a title and only does what Yahweh commands him to do. 

And then there's this quote from one of the gnostic writings

The text The Apokryphon of John (or The Secret Book of John) states:

"He is impious in his madness, she who dwells in him. For he said, 'I am God and no other god exists except me', since he is ignorant of the place from which his strength had come"

If this sounds impossable then consider the following verse.

John 8:3-11
"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

The law on adultery being referred to here is Deut 22:22 and Lev 20:10 which state:

Deut 22:22
"If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel."

Lev 20:10
"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

The laws that the Jews are following is yaweh's and Jesus saved the woman from being stoned to death.
The laws by "god" is "perfect" and "eternal" and the Jews still follow yaweh's "perfect" laws till this day.

Jesus also broke the laws about Sabbath day. Another "perfect" law by Yahweh    

 Exo 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death

Anyone who does any work on the Sabbath must be put to death. As it shown here: 

Num 15:32-36
"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses."

Another intresting finding 

John 8:54-55
"Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying(laws)."

Surly Jesus isn't talking about yahweh cause 1: he is rejecting all the "perfect" laws set by Yahweh and 2: he always talks about how loving and careing his "father" is. So who is this being that Jesus is talking about here?

Conclusion:
I belive that some how the Greek religion got mixed with the Jewish Hebrew religion and there's a huge battle between the old testament and the new testament. If we to take the bible serously I would say the real evil in the book of the bible is Yahweh and Jesus came to put a stop to his unjust laws and got killed by yahweh's followers. Jesus came and teach about forgiving and love and showing us the right path to follow.
If Jesus was with Yahweh when he told Moses to stone a guy for picking sticks, would he stand by Yahweh's side and watch? Would Jesus watch all the murders Yahweh caused and orderd his people to kill little babys and children? I think not... Jesus showed a diffent side, a loving for all babies and children and forgivness for all sins for it is said "god is love and just" if Jesus was truly yahweh's son, he would take a sword and follow the "perfect" laws of lord Yahweh.     

Just wanted to share some intresting findings iv reserched latly. I was looking into Taze Russell and what he truly belived wich is a total opposite to what the Jehovahs witness teaches. (Taze Russel was not the founder of the JW cuilt) and what I found was that he belived that everyone will have a second chance in the kingdom of god wich is on earth. But this is a "try out" if you like cause if you continue to "sin" for like a few thousand years then your get what is called "second death" meaning everything about you no longer exist forever. I found this quite intresting and it makes more sence since this god is pose to be all love and forgiving so why not give the humans a second chance?
I then continued to search more about this belief and found a site called bible students (not jw related) and they have the same beliefs as taze Russell did
http://www.biblestudents.com/BibleTopics.cfm
Here's some quotes I found from them:

1- Jesus Christ gave his life as a "ransom for all" 1 Timothy 2:6. That through his obedience to the Heavenly Father all of mankind will receive the opportunity for eternal life in the 1,000 year millennial age mentioned in Revelation the 20th chapter, and in Isaiah the 35th chapter of the Holy Bible.

We accept Christ as our personal Savior, and that he died not only for the Christian, but for the whole world. (1 Timothy 2:5,6; 4:10; John 3:16)

1 timothy4:10 For to this end we are working hard and exerting ourselves, because we have rested our hope on a living God, who is a Savior of all sorts of men, especially of faithful ones.

Many are not aware that the Bible teaches two salvation's. In brief, Christians are called to follow in Jesus' footsteps by sacrificing their earthly aims, wills and ambitions and all future earthly rights and resurrection hope, that they might gain a greater, higher reward. The Scriptures teach if we give up all to follow Jesus, and we do so faithfully unto death, we are promised a spiritual reward. That is, to be resurrected with a spirit body like Jesus was resurrected with. That reward also includes being associated with Jesus in his Kingdom Reign when he and his bride, The Church shall bless all the nations of the earth with all truth and peace and love.

Revelation 20:4,6
The second salvation applies to everyone else that has ever lived all the back to and including Adam. They shall be resurrected back to the earth to receive the blessings God has always intended for them through the Christ, Jesus and the Church.

Isaiah 35:5-10
This will be the answer to the prayer so oft prayed "Thy Kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven"

Matthew 6:10
Not understanding these two salvation's taught by the Scriptures has been a great source of confusion for almost all of Christianity. Those who realize it can be the only answer to harmonizing the word of God and study it out for themselves find this Truth to be a great door to understanding many other truths intended only for those God has desired to call.

I Tim 2:4-6,
"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Romans 6:23,
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

If god truly is real then this is what he would do for us. of cause there will be non belivers and people with other beliefs! Doesn't mean this being can just kill all things that isn't following it's rules, and dont forget

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

so why not show them and give them a second chance of knowing who the one true god is and to live in peace. This to me makes more sence then the hole "worship him or die" or "go to hell" what ever your twisted suffering Is >_>

It seems there are 2 judgment concept here. 1: all faithful followers get a bonus reward and be with Jesus
2: all the dead and non belivers (including Adam and eve I guess) will be on earth to be judge and if they continue to "sin" then it's the "second death"
To me this makes alot of sence and I like to know what you guys think ^^

Our ego's controls the heart so what ever the ego wants the heart will project it into reality so my question is. How can I get the heart to control the ego? I hope you guys understand what I mean ^^