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Hi! Something weird happened to me yesterday before I went to sleep. I didn't know where to post it, but I suppose here is fine.

I was lying in my bed, waiting for a message to arrive at my cell phone. I silenced it so that it doesn't wake my room mates. I was tired so I closed my eyes, because I expected that I would be able to see it light on through my closed eye lids. I wasn't just expecting the message, I was absolutely sure that it will arrive in a few seconds. I saw very bright light through my eye lids. I thought that the message had arrived, but when I opened my eyes, I saw that it didn't.

I just read Mary Sparrowdancer's book 'The Love Song of the Universe'. In it, I read that Mary put some stones under her pillow one night, and because of those stones she had an extraordinary the following night. I have a few stones of my own, and so I decided to place them under my pillow, just to see if it would have any effect. I couldn't sleep, so I started playing a game with my thoughts. I imagined that  those stones under my pillow were really magical and that they had the ability to heal me. I imagined that there were rays of light coming from the stones and going through my body. I soon discovered that this type of action stimulated my energy body, because I was trying to feel the rays with my body. I liked it so I continued doing it. I thought that it would perhaps be more efficient if the stones were on my chest, because then rays would spread throughout my whole body more easily. I didn't move the stones to my chest, I just imagined that they were now placed on my chest. I slowly stimulated my body with my imagined rays of light, starting from my feet. When they reached my head, I once again saw very bright light behind my closed eye lids. There were white rays of light coming from a bright violet source. I changed my eye focus to the source of the light, and then it all disappeared instantly. I have somehow seen those imagined rays of light. Does anybody know what happened to me or did anyone have any similar experiences?

I had no extraordinary experiences the following night caused by the stones...

Hi, people!

I have a problem with projection. Every time I try to project out of my body I feel awful pain in my back, about in the middle of spine, a little to the left. As soon as I stop trying, the pain goes away.
At first it seems like it's just fine. Tingles and everything... HEAVY sensations. But then the pain starts. More I fight it, more it hurts.
I think it has something to do with a fall I had when I was younger. I fell badly on my back. It never hurt me before I tried to project at that spot, but I think that might be the cause because it's the only spinal damage I've ever had. Any suggestions?

Hi there!

I want to tell you about what happened to me yesterday.
I've been trying to OBE for about a week. I know it's not much. I know some people who needed several months of training before they could OBE. But I tried to supress my thoughts which were saying it's too early.

I relaxed in my favorite chair and started to pull my energy up my torso doing all the exercises needed for OBE. After about fifteen minutes I could feel my body being completly relaxed and stiff. I had no problem keeping my eyes calm. Time was passing by as I was trying to OBE. At moments I thought it was just a waste of energy, but I kept going. I was saying to myself in my head "I can do it. I'm gonna put all I have into this. It has to happen tonight." After much more trying, I started to feel that buzzing feeling inside my chest and my stomach being pulled inside my body like it had gained extra weight. I felt being pulled out of my body and I thought I was projecting well. But then, my closed eyes began to lose concentration on looking behind eye lids, and started seeing what what was really there - black eye lids. Sensation went away. I didn't know if I was on the right way. I felt kinda weird, so I thought that I had perhapse OBE'd and I opened my eyes. My room looked kinda different, but that was only an illusion. I felt very weird. Something like when you wake up, but still aren't sure if you are dreaming or awake. I had to put some effort in moving my arms and legs. Later that night, I tried to OBE once more, but I was too exhausted. What happened to me? Has anyone experienced this before?

Sorry for the poor grammar. I'm not very good at English.

I am not surprised you have feeling that it is useless trying to find methods on the net etc.

I have not had a TM initiation, but have had mantra initiations and would assume that TM initiation would not be dissimilar from the experiences I participated in and still enjoy.

However I had read about TM in the 70's and had come across an article where the journalist claimed to describe a process not unlike that which may have been used for TM. I decided to apply the methods described at the time and found them really useful. At the same time I also know people who have had TM initiation and derived benefits from the practice, but from chatting to them I was led to understand that the donation or cost of the process was prohibitively expensive (if anyone knows better do correct me! e.g. if it is means related or not).

The debate about the pros and cons of 'TM' have raged on and off for decades. I can only assume that you will only find the methods via initiation, and suspect that you would be sworn to secrecy about revealing it. Forgive me for leading you down that path of thinking!

I suspect you may find the simple summery article in the link by Octavian Sarbatoare useful - see: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3588/tm.htm

You may find it of benefit to spend a little time researching Initiation and Mantra mediation before handing over hard earned cash to any self proclaimed Guru or organisation, but don't let me hold you back as whatever you choose is of your own free will.

Why not allow to trust that the qualities you yourself have mentioned are already yours already to embrace and enjoy!

Good luck on your path,

All the best,


Stephen

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It sounds like you are flicking awareness, rather than pushing it all the way through.

It's good that you're getting some energy going to the sub-naval, I'm sure it's important to start storing some energy as soon as possible, and as your pathways develop & strengthen, more energy will start flowing through these areas.

quote:I think the reason why I don't fell those parts is because there are only a few secondary center there. In that case, other people should feel no sensations (or only weak sensations) there as well.

I think these pathways must be blocked.  Even if those pathways were very strong I think you should still be feeling some sensation -  I do - no sensation at all indicates blockages.

quote:From NEW
Connecting energy pathways in the energy body can become blocked and narrowed to the point where they become virtually disconnected ... Energy pathways can be healed and redefined by repeatedly drawing energy into, through and around them ... The more often energy is drawn through them the stronger and more well defined they become, and the more energy can thus be drawn through them

I don't know if you're bouncing or just moving the energy up your legs & arms, but the same principle applies.  I know Robert Bruce says there is a natural speed limit of about half a second each way, but I find for myself it is a lot longer - speed doesn't really matter.  If you can't feel anything with the sponging action, try stirring and brushing.  If all else fails, read the part in NEW where RB describes the slashing technique for people with spinal injuries, and use that technique for your leg - it works just as well on any part of the body.

quote:From NEW
Your body awareness is capable of lightning-fast movements and of flicking from one body part to another instantly, but not so when you are moving it through the energy body in this way.  Slowly increase the speed of this leg bounce and you will soon feel resistance to the bounce action ... If you move faster than this, your awareness will lose contact with the substance of your energy body and begin flicking from foot to hip and back, while skipping the leg in between.  Once this happens you are no longer driving your point of awareness through your energy body, and are therefore no longer stimulating it.

If you are just sponging without pre-stimulating, it might be worth backtracking a bit, focusing first on your toes, then feet, ankles, and so on, working your way up your legs (& arms) bit by bit, rather than trying to do too much too quickly.  If you're already pre-stimulating each part separately, then carry on what you're doing & your energy body will soon start to catch up.
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that is an awesome dream it sounds like. im not so sure that lady was a real person dreaming herself, she sounds a like she knew alot, maybe a guide. about making others lucid, im sorry too say i am in exactly the same position as you lol. my sister, who lucid dreams occasionally (like once every 2 months, not very often) told me to go wake her up if i ever become lucid. well i tried it. i became lucid, i think i was working at the time in my dream, then i said im going to cherri. i just thought about her and i appeared at her house. i told her she was dreaming, at first she was like no way man everythings normal here. but then she was soo happy she was dreaming and took off. in the morning, however, all she said was she remembered me in her dream, but thats it. i have tried waking her up about 3 more times, and mostly she ignores me and says im crazy...

I have ta admit i do

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quote:Originally posted by Rakon

2 days ago, before I slept, I told myself this a few times:
"The next thing I see after I close my eyes should be my room. If it isn't, I'm dreaming."
It worked 2 times out of 2.
The interesting thing is that as soon as the dream started, I became lucid. That was because I remembered my affirmation and as soon as I could see, I realised it was a dream.
Try it!

Anyone else knows a good affirmation?

Hello Rakon! Thats pretty cool, Ill have to try that tonight.
One affirmation I know is from Jonas Ridgeway's site:
"As I begin to dream, I will awaken within the dream and realise my true out of body condition."
A little confusing, but I suppose it would get the job done.
Alrighty, Ill try that affirmation tonight and let you know how it goes. Take care!

Way to go!!!
I'm not sure what it should be classified as but it was certaintly an extremely cool experience.

quote:1.There was no pain in my back, and there usually is no pain when I have a lucid dream projection.

How's that? Perhaps during an LD and an OBE you forget the physical sensations and thus experience no backpain? Do you have a bad back?

quote:2.Robert Bruce mentioned in his book that newcomers to OBE have a hard time with moving around the real-time zone. I didn't have that kind of problem.

Riding a bike downhill on the first attempt is easy. It's when you try to excert control that things may get a bit wobbly.These things are extremely subjective and individual. Don't be surprised though, if at some point in the future you have trouble. The first time is often the easiest as we aren't completely in control yet.

quote:3.At first everything DID look exactly like reality, but then I got into a desert, and into that cove... That doesn't seem to be real-time zone, nor the astral dimension (from what I know about astral dimension).

The astral dimension can be anything you wish and want. If it feels like reality, smells like reality, quacks like reality then it could be astral []

Whatever it was enjoy the memory and have another go [8D]

2cents & L&L
Jouni