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I had somewhat different experience recently so I thought I would post it. I found myself out near my bed but not really able to move much. Was able to pull myself through the wall and was still slugish so I thought maybe I would sit and meditate. I started to repeat a buddhist mantra I use but I just kept moving slowly. Now usually I find myself flying through the trees around my house, I suppose I have some fear about the obe state so maybe that is why I don't just stand around. Anyway I walked a while turned around and walked back toward my house still doing the mantra and had to get all the way back to my house to to get back in my body and wake up. When i woke i found that one arm was mostly asleep. Now usually when i have a slight bodily discomfort i have the sensation in the obe state and usually go back to my body quickly. Does anyone have comments about:

Doing meditation while obe? Could this have brought me deep into the obe state? I noticed that usually while obe I have no mental chatter, I remember some people reccomend keeping some mental dialog going for focus. I wonder about using something between chatter and just repeating a mantra? Maybe a focusing routine?

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It has been over a month since william buhlaman was interviewed on coast to coast, and I have been pondering his idea that you must keep thoughts running through your mind while obe, thereby 'grounding' yourself while obe. Seems contradictory since you have to go thoughtlessness to get out, and obe's seem like something ungrounded, however i can see the connection since i seem to maintain that thoughtlessness while obe, at least i thought so until i realized my problems of moving fast thru scenery and not having much sight was related to my fears of finding something scary there(keep moving and you won't see the bogeyman but you won't see much else)After i became aware of this problem I was able to stop and focus but not for long.Any thoughts and experiences about the thought process while obe?

After fighting cancer for five years my mothers cancer has gone to her brain. The drs. are doing what they can, but anyone feel free to keep her in your prayers,she seems relatively ok with it and iis noot in pain at least, just not much short term memmory.

I would have to say I have not been a big fan of phasing, maybe just because I have not had the time to explore it fully, even though I did some guided meditations once that would probably qualify. However last night after I awoke in the night I was doing chakra and obe stuff with a  good degree of relaxation but not really feeling any vibes I decided to not be aware of my body but just to keep aware that my mind was awake-and to see if any hypnogogics were appearing-when I found myself on a disneyland like ride- first seeing a blue pool of water-very similar to a real pool in a hotel in santa cruz, ca that i saw while riding a windowed elevator. Then the experience went into landforms and geometrics that just don't translate into this reality, then a being that implanted a roll of coin like device into my root chakra to help me ground, then i awoke. I think what led me into this experience was just giving up on awarenes of the body(i did not feel any vibes or other feelings before a typical obe)and trying to be aware of the "mind awake" state.

recently i started having OBE"s -mostly the exit occured while i was on the very edge of sleep when my mind was out of the way. now i find i can start the exit sensations via rope technique after i wake in the night, however my mind is more awake and i end up laying there going through the buzzing, heart rate, energy flow for maybe an hour, doing NEW stuff, chakra stuff, clearing my mind, but end up not exiting. just wondering what to do for the final push. last time it happened i stopped trying and waited to try when i was on the very edge of sleep again but no go. i suppose i will get past it but this leaves you very sore in the morning and i must have been right at the gateway a few times. i suppose if i do project while my mind is more alert the experience will be more vivid?

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Hi Icosa,interesting post. Did this just happen 2-3 days ago? I had an experience where I exited and was immeadiatly sucked downward at a rapid speed and ended up on some table and was looking up at some kind of symbol. It was somewhat dark in there and I felt creeped out so I woke up. My memory of the astal wind from the AD book is more of a gentle wind, not high velocity at all.
The only other times I have experienced something like that is going into an astral entry tunnel, maybe I felt it briefly then I was someplace else.
Hav you similar sensations when you go into the grid?

Happen to remember what the symbols looked like? because the mayans had 166 gods and goddesses and if it was a picture of one of them then it might explain a bit more about why you saw who u did. But the fact that you thought it was mayan might be forshadowing the 2012 end of hte world prediction :p. thanks for the experiance i love to hear them ^__^

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quote:A few days ago I looked at the stars again while obe and saw a swirling tornado of stars start to form but i did not enter.

Wow ! sounds like a pretty dramatic way to go !

Hi ralphm,

Thanks for the review. I went to Amazon to read a bit more and saw a high reader review rating. It looks like a fascinating read. I thought I'd post some of the Editorial Reviews below, in case anyone was interested.

"Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
The works of neurologist Oliver Sacks have a special place in the swarm of mind-brain studies. He has done as much as anyone to make nonspecialists aware of how much diversity gets lumped under the heading of "the human mind."

The stories in An Anthropologist on Mars are medical case reports not unlike the classic tales of Berton Roueché in
The Medical Detectives. Sacks's stories are of "differently brained" people, and they have the intrinsic human interest that spurred his book Awakenings to be re-created as a Robin Williams movie.

The title story in Anthropologist is that of autistic Temple Grandin, whose own book Thinking in Pictures gives her version of how she feels--as unlike other humans as a cow or a Martian. The other minds Sacks describes are equally remarkable: a surgeon with Tourette's syndrome, a painter who loses color vision, a blind man given the ambiguous gift of sight, artists with memories that overwhelm "real life," the autistic artist Stephen Wiltshire, and a man with memory damage for whom it is always 1968.

Oliver Sacks is the Carl Sagan or Stephen Jay Gould of his field; his books are true classics of medical writing, of the breadth of human mentality, and of the inner lives of the disabled. --Mary Ellen Curtin

From Publishers Weekly
Neurologist Sacks presents seven case studies of people whose "abnormalities" of brain function offer new insights into conceptions of human personality and consciousness.
Copyright 1996 Reed Business Information, Inc.

Book Description
To these seven narratives of neurological disorder Dr. Sacks brings the same humanity, poetic observation, and infectious sense of wonder that are apparent in his bestsellers Awakenings and The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat. These men, women, and one extraordinary child emerge as brilliantly adaptive personalities, whose conditions have not so much debilitated them as ushered them into another reality."

I've read alot of david ickes books, and quite enjoyed them. For the most part, I do agree with most of what he says, but with the reptillian part, thats a little hard to believe. Now, I'm not saying its not true, but I would be much more understanding if I were to witness something like this personally.
I think in this case, or most cases, it would be wise to seek out the answers for one's self before coming to a conclusion.

Go somewhere interesting - check out the pyramids at Giza or something, those stars you saw, have a go at visiting them. []

i'm confused about the eating thing.  you were more astral and not more ld right?

Once, when I dreamt of projecting I was so mad when I woke up and started analizing it. I was saying things like "Wait...that landscape looked suspiciously similar to that in the flight simulator game" or "didn't my friend move his furnature around last week" or "I seriously doubt that in my last life I was a walrus."
A couple of other times, a lucid dream became what seemed to be an OBE, execpt no exit or entry sensations. It is also difficult to move around. During one I was sure I had climbed out of my body onto the floor and crawling around, but I felt so much resistance I fell "back" to sleep. I latter realized that the around on the floor at was occupied by not only my shoes, but two chairs and a bicycle. Seeing as how I could see the far wall, it would seem that I could see those things. Is it possible I was half OBEing/lucid dreaming/halucinating, perhaps I had only partaily-projected and was stuck in place, perhpas this was my etheric body and it couldn't move beacuse of the mind-split effect. I don't know.
Anyway, it still makes me mad when I realize that not only had I not projected, but seeminly odvious inconsistancies do not become odvious untill later.

I was looking at another site. They were researching this subject. From all their test subjects, they concluded that people who could project also had more lucid dreams, and vise versa.  They go hand in hand.  Well, this a very simple conclusion after reading pages of statistics. Sorry about that. If you want to check it out for yourself, it's lucidity.com

I have never been aware of floating over my body like that.

I do find that the more I try to project, the less energy I have in reserves and the less impact an experience is likely to have. It sounds like you see something similar. Despite the lesser impact, I am trying ot project frequently, thinking that the more you use the system, the more energy you start to carry as a baseline.

Wish I could be of more help -

Patty

Wow, humanity survives another 5,000 years. I figured we would have killed our environment and nuked ourselves by then. What is it like 5,000 years from now?

Hrmph
At least your not stuck in the Real-Time

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