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Hello well I had another one of those APS where ITs Astral then it becomes lucid but im not sure, everything seemed so real and astral until the end.

Ok, I was sleeping then I was like in a dream so I willed me self out So I got excited and i stapped back, then I tried to leave, and I opened my eyes and found m self on top of the cieling. It was awsome, I was trying to float and everythin. I said to myself, " I ask for Clarity", then i casted a circle. So then I floated out of my Room and into my dad office. Then I went outside. This is where It gets confusing. For some reaosn when im at the ritz in my house I ALWAYS see friends and family there. Maybe they are Guides? Or maybe I made them up? Or something. So anyway I started floating inthe air. It was hard for me at first to fly, but Little by little i was able to fly higher then last time. There was like a friend on the cieling too, cheerin me on i think. Then I went inside, and I decciededd to look at my hands, they were not fading instead they were gettong LONG and going backwards like something was ucking them. So then I went outside, And I wanted to see my Guide, so I called on him, I siad STORM SHOW YOURSELF, and then all of a sudden a Huge white dragon from the sky is flying twords me, he is so huge,it scares me! I hide behind someone infront of me until he coems down, then we he comes down, he look like a fireball. Like a huge white tiger with wings. It was not storm , storm is black and has scales. Anyway, Then my grandma there and she tells me she got him at a birthday party, then we all go inside and eat, and im stil floatng, and in my mind i know im APING. Then I want to go back into my body becausefor some reason i think its school. So i go there and try to look for my body but dont see it, so I just on top of my beed, and say I WILL REMEMER EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED, then moments later i get sucked in and half a very short false awakening, then i wake up for reals, and rememeber everythign that happened.

Ok now i hate when this happens because it doesnt seem like an OBE because of the extra people and all, but it felt like one, Maybe it was Lucid? but why did then I leave mt body. I need some real help, this is the second time this has happened lol where i leave my body then ot becomes somewhat lucid with extra people and all.

What do you think?

WOW, well I dont know where to start, I had a recent Lucid dream in Mexico like last week, but im proud to say I had an OBE and an LD tonight this morning.

Before goign to bed I was trying to the WILD LD technique, when All of a sudden i start to feel electrical vibes ( iv never felt this before in my life) they were running from my left leg, then a bit to my side then my right leg then my brain or head lol. I woke up here and there during the nights, each time trying to remember my Dream so i can contiintue it when i woke up and so then it will become lucid. Then I woke up in the Early morning about 6 probably, and icouldnt go to bed, my legs didnt feel like staying still. So i switched from postition to position, trying to remember my dreams that night, then decided what the heck im still tired and its way to early to wake up, so i started relaxing and thinking of my last dream getting more into detail tryin to imagine what WOULD happen in my dream, until i like lost though because i dont remember anything and
I saw Tiger eyes in my mind and a Ladies Voice saying roaring with SOUND and Vibrations saying
" I will help you AP just like i did with your early Father"
I got kinda of Scared but then I started feeling very Vibraty, and I started slowly falling out of my body from the side , like rolliing. When i finally did get out I wassss soooo happy because this was my first OBE at WILL the others were like i was sleeping and woke up paralized and willed myself out but thuis one i earned through work through the night []

So I slipped out of my body, and I couldn't really breath so i looked at my body and it looked fine, I decided i never wanted to go back to my body until i felt like it lol, but thatw as a wrong idea and mentalaty to have youll see why.


I decided to look at my mom doing her exercies in the living room to see if she was still doing them, so I think i floated or walked not sure to see her but i dont remember anything, and then I go to the pool and theres other people, and I think it becomes lucid, because im talking to my sister and my friend franky, and my dad sees me and stuff. But I was Lucid all the way [] because then I deicded to go back in the house and do some stuff.

I then saw my dad going to my body ( remember I think I am Lucid because It doesnt feel like an OBE anymore like in the beinning). My dad trys to wake me up but i hold on to the wall while im like being magnatized to my body, then he gives up. For some reason then i think my sister is my body and i ty to mix with her but its impossible so I get kinda worried but i thought itll work later.

I was sooooo bummed because while i was having this lucid dream I thought I was STILL APing like in the beginning. So I casted a Magick circle and my Energy comingfrom my hand was purple. then I decided to get out, and asked my guides to be present, but they told me its not the right time yet. Then I wanted to og somewhere else, So i try finding a portal to leave from to the Astral, but find none so i decided to create my own and step into it and nothin happens. Its also really hard for me to go through physical things except for one time when i went through my door.

I could float when I want too so i start floating, but then Kinda bored stuck in my home, I thought of my Friend whos known here as TKMAN i think, and he said he used to fly and zoom, so I decided to do that, so i go to the back yard, and Run and jump but i cnat FLY!!!!!! and then my dad from the window, looks at me. Im like what the heck!!! I thought this was an OBE everyone knows me . And then Im starting to wake up and im exicted so I can write it down.

Then here i am lol

From what I know this expeirence WAS an OBE in the beginng which was done by a technique, then turned lucid when i went into the pool. I just know when its an OBE and a LD, because In an OBE i dont look at myself from afar, i am the person in an OBE. and in a LD it doesnt really seem so Vibraty and Energetic and REAL.

I hated how in my OBE i couldnt fly anywhere or do anything miuch. Just float around, Maybe im have to get used to it because maybe it was like that because i was mixing it with an OBE?

Why wasnt I able to do the things I tried, like go to the Astral by looking for  a portal? was it because it wasnt an OBE just an LD.

There are major diffrences from an OBE and LD in m opinion, and Since maybe I was trying to do things  a normal person would do in an  OBE, maybe thats why nothign worked cus it was lucid?

WHo was the tiger lady who talked to me before i left my body?

My last Question is it possible to to have an OBE then your OBE turns LUCID???

Thanks for anyone who helps me ![]

Blessings

Hello MusterSeed [].

 Iv been reading posted and Saw your replies and stuff. I just had A few Questions, I would of PM you but My account isnt working much.

From the looks of it you are a Christian ( so am I), But I think i also heard you talk about Astral projection and lucid dreaming and psychic stuff not sure. I also try to practice those stuff mostly metaphysical stuff.

I was just wondering if you can share with about your Beelifs or Religeon, because you seem to know ALOT about scripture and at the same time firm of your beleifs and also practicing Astral projection I think right?

My main question is if your a christian do you think Astral projection is wrong, do you beleive in 1 evill who controls all other evil ( satan?).

Im Just wdonering Because Im kinda lost in my belifs because I want to be christian but then everyone else tells me what im doing is wrong and against God.

Thanks

God Bless

quote:Originally posted by MAGUS89

Everytime I try to manipulate energy and i look at my hands especially when i put my fingertips kinda close to eachother and imagnie switching enery frmo one hand to the next, i see silvery white lightning type threads flowing from my fingers kinda like electricyt but in white form. Can someone please explain what this is?

Thank you
and Blessings!

Hello Magus89, I believe the white threads you see coming from your fingertips may be the energy you manipulated. Do they feel tingly? What do they feel like. Try and experiment with them.

hey AL!  this is chris, GReat post! sounds like yu had a blast inthat experience. th reason you couldnt move migh of been partial sleep paralysis you just gotta elax, if it wasnt tht then maybe ifyou were to ask for movement of mobility. the eyesight is also the same, just ask for clarity or eyesight. Your thirdeye may need reactivated or centered and ballanced with the other chakras.
ttyl! have a nice trip back from mexico! MP BB

T_man0610

Well, its good you had that experience because it now makes you want to keep on trying. []

heya!

I believe that it was half OBE have lucid dream because thats happened to me before..if u are really tired and are really close to the awake/asleep line then it is possible to fall asleep while OBEing. About your dragon, it doesnt mean that he doesnt exist, it just means either he has more than one form or he might be difficult to meet with.

The part about the feary and the pool were probably a lucid dream because its not that common (at least for me) to see a lot of people when OBEing, and even less of a chance to see something like a faery. Also, your first few times you OBE it is very difficult to control (trust me.. i was happy that i just flew up to the ceiling) which is probably just becasue you are not used to having no real physical body and all of the laws that effect you on the physical plane are now gone so like whenever you try new things, its going to be a bit hard at first but the more you do it, the easier it will get. (whoops that was a run on sentance..oh well). For now, dont try to transport places, work on easier things such as moving around, flying (like u did) and getting used to what its like. Take a look at your hands next time..its pretty cool how they melt... after a few practice OBEs try to do harder stuff like thought transportation.

One last note-- half of the time i OBE i just wake up either in the body asleep/mind awake state or im just out already. So theres a high chance it was an OBE. Best of luck with it

~*~Mazdaaf~*~

As far as I know.... you never open you physical eyes to AP. You keep them shut and the darkness will eventually turn to light. Revealing the room around you.

80% of people have never done it at all or at least don't remember doing it so don't feel bad about just getting out twice...

I don't know the anwser to your questions... Heck I'd like to know why I can't do it at will too but so far i've not figured out any easy anwsers.

I take that back, not everythign was the same as i saw a book on my shelf i dont have lol .

http://www.learntarot.com/top.htm   []

Congratulation!  [|)]
So, what's your plan for the next OBE...?

Sounds to me that you were in the RTZ, so yes you were OOB.[]

Nay

battle you, like in an energy fight? if yes, then meditate ALL THE TIME and create a mirror sheild around you so some attacks may backfire.

I don't see why you cannot use any tool you think suitable for the task as long as they provide you with a strong link to what you hope to achieve.

The tools you mention are of the 4 elements just make sure you engrave or paint on them the various sigils and names of God/power.
And remember you will need two wands one to represent the element of fire the other is an extension of your WILL and is used for acts of evocation etc.

With regards to your cauldron I assume you wish to use this for skying. As long as you cannot see any distracting reflections in it this will be fine.

I wish you well.