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I found the most effective technique for ap.  They say if you can keep your mind on one thing while drifting off to sleep you can ap.  Only problem with this is your mind wanders or thoughts enter the mind a lot.  You should check out the koan and duality techniques that are offered at mysticweb.org investigative course after you taken astral/self knowledge/journey to enlightment you can enrol in the investigative course.  To make a short story short the koan technique is to give your mind a question or situation that it cannot answer and it will silence itself as a result duality is like substitute the opposite of any thought that enters the mind to neutralize it.  If you want to learn what the techniques are in detail best to enrol in the course.  I can't believe I was able to do it even my awareness was low ie I ap'd but I was drowsy cause I projected before I went to bed but somehow this silencing of thoughts technique is what did it the other techniques are like awareness think at one thing at a time can also help you ap as well.  I did the koan I had a few thoughts I neutralized it with duality technique I had the falling sensation which meant my body was falling asleep then I knew at that point I can just walk out and I did.  This I have to admit is my first conscious ap and I was lying down in bed, other ap techniques that helped before was going to sleep 4 1/2 hours wakeup wash face stay awake and aware drop back to sleep with awareness of one thing ie visualize an object or something then have it in the mind etc..

I've had many successful methods which I attribute to http://mysticweb.org they offer a free course no strings attached.  I finished the astral projection course and going into the self knowledge course which just started this week I think you can still apply this week.  What has worked is the sleep technique mentioned there and also concentration, what I also like they have a private forum for students who are enrolled in the course to ask questions and get responses from masters at it.  For one thing nobody told me what the ego is or I didn't have an understanding now and why you have to do these concentration exercises basically what it boils down to what you do in the physical is carried in the astral/dream state and you want to carry that awareness with you, or what is the projection of the mind versus seeing the true spirit world its really good and thorough course.

I'm beginning to wonder after reading robert's book again, its not explained exactly what the point of awareness is?  (scenario #1) I've been doing it this way just imagining energy running through my body and my point awareness is at my head feeling the sensation running through my body is that the proper point of awareness? This sounds sucky because it feels like you are in your physical body as being the dominant thing/thought and the body awareness/energy as secondary.  (scenario#2) The other way I'm thinking is if you imagine you are completely and entirely at the spot ie say at your feet and no other thought/feeling you allow come into your mind or push it aside that you are at your head feeling the tingling at your feet?  In this scenario you're allowing your dominant thought of the stimulation all at the point and secondary be the least to even think of being at your head feeling tingling at your body part.  I'm just wondering which is the better scenario is it #2 where you imagine you are completely at that point or another way of putting it if you were in your etheric body the entire etheric body would be at that point that is being stimulated and completely or almost completely forget you are at the point of your physical head feeling the tingling throughout your body parts?  I think scenario #2 is powerful because you concentrate less on the physical body because its similar to imagining that you are standing next to your bed or some other point outside of the body and forget the thought that you are lying on your bed, same as the body parts you imagine you are at that spot of the body and not in your physical body feeling the heart being stimulated, so thus you are shutting down the sensory input from the rest of the body parts cause you're awareness is just not there anymore. I heard people obe just by concentrating on one physical body part of awareness ie the heart for example?  Just want some input on those who successfully obe and tell me which scenario you choose, I think I've been doing the wrong scenario (#1) for a long time now and I realize why I haven't produced a lot of good results, mind you I have produced some results with scenario #1 but only when my body was in a drowsy/alert state.

What makes me wonder is how can I do scenario#2 if its supposed to be the most powerful with split awareness. Its easy to imagine energy running through your body starting from legs upto hips/back of head, hands upto back of head then down the front of head to the naval (scenario#1). But in scenario#2 when you are exactly at the point of awareness and then you have to imagine you are at two points or four points at the same time ie both your legs and at the same time as you move up there are two more point of awarenessess then as you move up two more points are added ie now the two hands and feet at the same time) tricky stuff/imagination there, how do you pull it off in scenario#2? The only way to pull it off is to imagine the two points of awareness of the legs go upto the hip then merge into one point of awareness. Then as you move upto the back of your chest with only one point of awareness you imagine both your hands to your arms merging with your back of the chest awareness and then as one awareness going up around the head to the naval is that the best way to do it if its scenario#2?

I'm just wondering I pulled off my first obe by doing body awareness exercises (with the help of hemi-sync tapes/immunizing/focus 10 by monroe institute).  Just wondering when I had my first obe I did not do anything but body awareness exercises and the feel of good energy channeling through my body all of a sudden I had a surge to my left lobe then hit my chest a lot I continued then instantly when I channelled energy through legs to the head then to the third eye/chest/belly/naval I heard a static noise then I was free automatically except my legs.  I used other methods when my feet were stuck (ie do awareness on feet then I Was completely free).  I thought this can also be used for physical energy as well (if you have a physical ailment ie immune system boost) but nothing happened in that aspect when the energy surged.  From what I hear from robert bruce you get two added benefits of body awareness exercises which he says we should do atleast an hour or so a day the benefits are you open your energy centers channel more energy to them so in a sense you increase your body's immune system/energy?  Just wondering anyone who obe'd did they just do body awareness exercises alone to obe and for those who use it for physical healing when did you start seeing results?  So in other words anyone here who has done robert's new system body awareness if you had any physical ailment what was it and how much did it help and how long you've been doing new?  And for those who do obe was body awareness alone the most important thing to obe and the others are just in case you're stuck to your body?

I was searching the internet with a fine tooth comb on eeg machines because I first got interested in the hemisync monroe tapes they talked about theta/alpha states is where to get the mind at to achieve obe theta is for near the brink of sleep lucid dreaming but spikes of alpha are good for some alertness/awareness like the hemisync wave1 intro to focus10 does with those sound spikes.  But anyways I found out its even more powerful to have a biofeedback machine that tells you or records your eeg readings so you know if you are in alpha/theta (shut off the chatterbox beta) so then with time and training you can do it with your will.  Only problem these machines are for practitioners only they cost an arm and a leg to buy one from $1k upto $8k.  However there is a group now in interest of having it public domain for its called the openeeg project http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/buildeeg and mailing list at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=openeeg-list
they have several software written for the hardware device and schematics how to build one it only costs $200 (in parts assemble yourself) if you source the parts from 4 vendors they say if they can mass produce these things they can get the price down to $100.  This is a major breakthrough a lot of people can own this device for personal use very soon in the upcoming months some vendors will be selling them already assembled but if you can't wait you can buy the parts and assemble yourself.

has anyone tried this affirmation I read it from this website http://mymysteries.net lesson#1 on mystic awareness or conscious awareness raising?  Like you affirm it with feeling and of joy for a few weeks the word "wake up!" to yourself in a mirror and to the family or to the world you view etc..  I think this can trickle down to the subconscious and then start triggering things like being aware you are dreaming or maybe even be intuitive on situations etc..  I know this kind of thing does work because one time I did body awareness exercises fell asleep and realized in one dream sequence I said to myself hey this is not real I'm in my body in my bedroom doing my body awareness exercises and became lucid and aware of it but its freaky to use this "wake up!" affirmation because it can lead to many possibilities besides lucid dreaming to obe.  any comments on this?

they are called kong-ans and they are used by monks to answer dharmas and questions.  I have a whole book of 236 of them.

check out www.wilddivine.com for a new game that comes with equipment to monitor heart and GSR.

You have an interesting subject and it may be yet another shortcut into AP practice.  I assume that you have not tried it yet. I checked out your 3 links and thought the first one had the most practical data. I intend to get some ping pong balls and try it out and will post the results here and you can do the same if you decide to try it. Thanks for your post.

Well if Mysticweb and Robert Bruce say so, then oh, boy...must be true

Nay.

I'm only 17 and don't have cards like Visa so i can buy books on Amazon.. Wanna buy RB's AD and other OBE books. What can I do [V]?

Hi Weagle
  Water is one of the best places to do a self-exorcism. The sulfur added in from a hot springs will help this along. I also like to do a lot of banishings and mental work while I am in a shower or water to rid myself of unwanted influences.
  Nita

I have read about the spin technique but haven't managed to pull it off properly yet. Interesting technique you describe with the "Shhh" noise, I'll have to try that. The method I use to prolong lucid dreams is to focus and look at the palms of my hands. It is my personal trigger to "wake up" during the dream as it confirms 100% I am dreaming. If you look at your palm, you will see that your palm lines are completely random and not structured like in real life. Looking back at my palms every now and then keeps me focused in my dream. Last time I used this, I remember clearly looking at them at least 20 times, and that lucid dream lasted seemingly hours!! It was amazing!

Slow down. You said you just started doing NEW within the last week and that you are using it on primary energy centers. Worse, you are using sexual energy already with it. You are supposed to just work on mobile body awareness (MBA) and tactile imagery (TI) at first. These are used to develop the secondary energy centers at first. A period of at least three months is suggested, and that means daily practice. Then you can consider working with the primary energy centers. When you have been doing that for a while it is safe to begin using sexual energy, but only as much as you can control easily. Rushing ahead the way you are doing will only make things worse.

Hey Weagle,

I can comment about the voice thing. I have tried to scream before while out and it was as if I had a very soar throat. No sound was coming out and I couldn't even hear myself. I think it is because in the astral we have to think the talking more than talk the talking. Experiment with it and let me know how it goes.

Thanks for sharing your experiences Weagle!

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I'll check it out-I have done Tibetian diety meditations before and I liked them because you do a mantra along with a visualization-it's great because the more things your mind is busy with the less it can roam-that is if you keep bringing it back to the concentration at hand.

found some answers to my questions I might as well post it to others here is a site that describes verbal techniques to bypass do checks on the body its at http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/tips1.html

basically as you drift to sleep mentally have a song running in your mind and keep on focusing on it only while watching the images and don't let any other verbal thought enter your mind towards the hypnagogic images as you just see them only, if you see you are messing up the song then start doing some checks(ie body heaviness/vibrations/physical body perception if you feel them then try to walk out of your body) then go back to recounting again if you don't feel the checks.  Interesting technique I'll probably give it a shot especially when falling asleep (let alone the 5hour sleep wakeup 30min then try technique).  There are some other interesting techniques if you wake up in a lucid dream and have a fake obe (dreambody) and want the dreambody to be more alert instead of partially alert its described there as well.  I'd have to give this person the credit for the techniques cause I have yet to see anyone else talk about them.

Thank you! Thank you! I never knew they had such places in Toronto! I've been searching for some time now... and was just about to give up!

I just hope that this isn't a sham... and that it's safe. Do you know anyone that has already taken the course? Online or at the actual workshops? Cause, although I want to believe that everything's all good and safe, the sceptic and cautious side of me is questioning...

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to achieve.

If you mean obe (real-time projection) I guess you'll have to be charged with etheric energy. They say that kind of energy is stored around the navel chakra, and when one leaves the body thinking it's dying it causes an amount of etheric matter to be channeled to the astral body. Maybe it is possible to have the same result by suggestion and indution.

If you mean projecting to higher planes you could go about projecting your astral body and then project your mental body from within the astral. Put your astral body aside in a comfortable position and elevate your thoughts. It's like meditating in the astral, but instead of just feeling the expanded awareness you'll go and leave your astral body behind.


I've used those techniques for lucid dreaming and they worked pretty well, but only in the dreams. They don't seem effective when I obe. But yes, if you start spinning in the dream and keep on spinning non-stop after everything goes black you'll find youself floating around the bedroom.

Well, imo, it looks like a well concieved hoax.

quote:Originally posted by weagle


Another weird thing is sometimes when I listen to the hemisync tapes and concentrate on the body awareness exercises the volume goes mute for a second. I know the tapes are fine I believe my mind is so focused on the body awareness exercise somtimes I enter a split second trance state then get out of it.

That was an enjoyable read and it sounds like you are making good progress. The observation in the quote above I recognise very well. It happens to me in the early part of my projection rundown, and it's one of the markers I use that tells me my physical body is on the verge of dropping off to sleep.

As regards the "spirit beings" I think you might feel more comfortable if you thought of them as normal people. Only they are "normal" in the sense of being non-physical. It's just like on the Physical where, depending on genetic heritage, people's skin colour can be a lot lighter than others. Or their facial features may differ quite significantly. In a similar vein, some Astral residents can come across in a "ghostly" kind of way. Others you can chat to and you'd swear blind they were Physical. To the extent where you find yourself questioning, "Am I within Physical or Astral right now?" Higher-level residents, in their raw form, come across as a bundle of sparkly white light. Like a twinkling star surrounded by a radiant aura.

It's just one of the things you have to get used to. In that you have to encompass the idea that this Physical reality is not the only reality that exists. There are people living within the Physical realm and there are people living within the Astral realm. I used to make the mistake of calling them "entities". Now I use the term "residents" in the sense of Astral residents and Physical residents.

One of the confusing aspects about the real-time zone is the possibility of having familiar scenes of your home/garden/neighbourhood, and so forth, in some way implanted in another - often very different - set of circumstances. The real-time zone is a buffer zone between Astral-matter and Physical-matter. As such, you can find yourself in a situation where you are half out of one, and half in another. Which is a bit freaky to get used to at first. With me, at the point of projection into the real-time zone, I often hear people chatting or get scenes of people moving around in my vicinity. At first I'd get mighty confused and think, "Hey, hold on a minute, these people shouldn't be in my house!"

Also, the static sounds you hear, I get that too especially at the point of projection. Plus, don't be surprised if you get to hear all kinds of other popping, banging and stomping sounds; tearing noises like Velcro coming apart, and all kinds of other weird stuff.

For example: I don't know why but, for about two weeks now, just prior to projection, I've been hearing feint music like it was drifting over from a distance. The first couple of mornings I actually stopped to get up and check whether someone in the vicinity was having an early-morning party, or maybe a radio had accidentally been set on a timer, or something. But no, everything was dead quiet as per usual. This morning I came to project and there's no music. So quite why this should come and go is something of a mystery.

Anyhow congrats on your progress, and do please try not to get fearful. There really is nothing to be frightened of. But I know only too well that's ever so much easier to say than to do at the time.

The best state of mind IMO is to maintain an air of mild curiosity. And the best "protection" you can give yourself is to always bear in mind that you are within a realm where the uncontrolled release of thought-release-emotion leads to reality fluctuations. These fluctuations can - and often do! - range from mild to wild. If you persist, they can very easily switch to crazy and then to insane.

So if you find yourself losing it, it's far far better to zip back to Physical (C1) and project again - rather than try and somehow "make it right" within the projection.

Best of luck.

Yours,
Frank

anything that deeply preoccupies your subconscious mind so that you don't get distracted easily is a good way to induce trance. it allows your conscious mind to focus more intently without being bothered by the subconscious's stupid habit of never shutting up.

"If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid." -"Murphy's" Laws of Combat

~kakkarot

Sound's very dodgy to me.

have you ever tried calea zacheticci or something like it, its called dream herb, unofficially. It's supposed to do the same thing, heck, might even be the same thing. I was just curious if you've had any luck with it.
thanks,
Wonderboy

here's 2nd lucid inducer at:
http://stealthassassins.20m.com/cgi-bin/i/images/lucid_helper.gif
or go to
http://stealthassassins.20m.com/cgi-bin/i/images
then click lucid_helper.gif if it says can't link.

I'm not at all familiar with this technique. What little I know is I think this place  studies the differences between regular dreams and lucid dreams.
Have you tried this link?  http://www.lucidity.com/

i wonder if you can purchase this stuff in the uk?

                         Lysear

I believe the only difference between what you have experienced and what you call a full-blown OBE is your level of conscious awareness.  

For example, let's just say for arguements sake that you were only dreaming.  I have had many dreams which 'seemed' real....which suddenly forced my awareness to increase and BOOM!  I found myself out of body!  

Why did that happen?  Simply because while dreaming, my awareness wasn't that clear.  The experience was just real enough for me to follow along, but not real enough for me to interact with anything.  Once I started to become aware, I found myself out of my body with my full waking consciousness with me.

Think of it this way.  Right now, as you are reading this, you think of yourself in the physical world.  So where is this astral world right now?  Does it not exist?  Of course it does.  So why aren't you able to see and interact in this astral world right now?  Simply because you aren't aware of it!  By relaxing our bodies and meditating, we bring ourselves closer to this threshold where we can project into this other world (which is really layered right on top of the physical world).

Just my two cents!


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My personal opinion is that many of these experiences are hard to pinpoint because of the reasons you state.  I think you are seeing the plasticity of the astral experience - that what you think can manifest. This is one reason it is so hard to get a good firm handle on what might be going on. (Also why it would be hard to take up something like the Randi challenge with any confidence of success.)

Were you separate from your body? Maybe. Did you create the images that seemed out of place? Probably. Why? Well, maybe a way of your 'self' easing you into the experience, or maybe because your physical body and your astral body were still connected and you were getting feedback from one to the other.

I think the most important question is "Is it a worthwhile experience?" You are the best person to answer that, but I believe that if it expands your understanding of what it means to be 'you' then absolutely yes.

(I guess a lot of us hope for the concrete astral experience that doesn't have mis-information in it, equally a lot of us are more interested in the 'higher' level astral experiences that have little to do with the physical realm.)

Patty

it seems like everyone has different experiences while out of body and in the process of getting there. i still can't see much. sometimes you can dream it however the real obe seems dreamlike sometimes. sometimes you can get out but not move very far. keep trying.