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We were talking a bit about a split body effect in astral, I had a trip last night that brought it up

Was in a building with 5 others in astral and we decided to see if we can obe, we separated from those bodies and went exploring with the second body (however everything was completely different,very dark environment, I could not see my companion and had to hold their hand, I could not manipulate environment at all (I tried to make an energy ball of different colours but all I managed to make was a vibrating energy ball, I then passed it around and it remained stable)

Then we "returned" into our first astral bodies, environment was full of colour and normal now, another person joined us and I explained to her what we just did and asked her if she wanted to do it with us again

Very strange experience

I noticed newbies are picking the hardest way to enter into astral and are facing huge amount of difficulties, thus this post to help.

There are 4 types of entries into the astral (non physical) reality, and they differ by difficulty.

These differ hugely in terms of how difficult they are and how many months it takes to be able to enter (based on astral research institutes statistics (I'm basing things on a russian institute that does statistics on newbies trying to enter astral for first time).

In terms of difficulty (with highest starting the first) the 4 methods of entry are:

1. OBE Meditation ('obe-ing', closing eyes trying to 'exit' the physical body, you end up next to your body in the physical environment then from there you go wherever you want. This is most difficult, usually takes many months of hardcore daily practice and even then you may end up nowhere as a lot of things affect the success of this method. Plus when you do enter you are faced with all kinds of difficulties from difficulty in sight, to difficulties in movement (due to physical body's magnetism). some of the most advanced astral adventurers don't even bother with this method as its considered not efficient.

2. Phase Meditation ('phasing', close eyes and shift focus away from the physical into the non-physical until a natural separation occurs and you end up in 3D environment in the non-physical. This is just as difficult as the OBE Meditation and takes multiple months of training to be able to get anywhere (even with the magical hemi-sync tapes). However here you don't have the problem of difficult sight/movement as the physical body's magnetism does not apply as much, as you are not 'next' to it so much.

3. Lucid Dreaming ('LD'ing', you simply become aware within a dream that you are dreaming and then go exploring the dream (astral) reality. This is much easier than above methods, people often have the first lucid dream simply after reading some stuff about lucid dreaming (the very next night!), then they can have multiple lucid dreams per night. Unlike above methods, this method can be developed and used within about 1 week or so, but definintely not months if the person seriously wants to LD and does what needs to be done (eg: keeping dream journal, etc).

4. Indirect phasing method (This is when as soon as you wake up you don't move an inch, don't open your eyes, and you have about 40 seconds within which the body is completely relaxed and the mind is not quite in physical yet. This state is also known as body asleep/mind awake state (F10). While in the OBE/Phase meditation it may take you 30 minutes to get into this state and even then it may not be as deep as this, if you simply wake up and don't move or open your eyes you are immeidately in a very deep F10 state + your awareness is not fully in physical yet either, its half here and half 'there'.

During those 40 seconds you can phase out by simply intending to phase out or by imagining an environment, or anything as such. The key here is not to move at all (this may take a bit of practice as usually people move automatically when they wake up).

This method is considered by researchers the fastest way to enter astral for newbies. No wonder, you are already in F10 and half in astral with your awareness.

I think the russian institute statistics was like 80+% of newbies who tried this method entered astral within 3 days of trying (they tried at least 3 times I think per morning)) (Its a couple of thousand newbies they evaluated during their training programs if I am not mistaken).

(pm me if you need an indirect entry manual, its free from the russian researchers and its in english).

With the indirect method you basically have all the work cut out for you, you simply need to intend and off you go. You can go into the RTZ (i.e. next to your physical body, like an 'obe') or you can go directly into the astral environments.

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Most newbies are trying to enter via the hardest method for some reason - the OBE or Phase Meditations. This is great but be prepared it may easily take up to many months or more for you to actually be able to do anything via this method and many years (yes years!) before you can use this method to enter at will! By this time most people simply give up and think that none of this is stuff is real or possible, or that they are somehow not 'special' enough to be able to enter.

The problem is they do not understand what method they have picked, direct entry method is a seriously hardcore method, meditators can only use it after a couple of years of various meditations. I am part of a meditative school and in my school this method is taught after like 4 years of meditating, this is how hardcore the OBE/Phase method really is. No wonder people fail with it all the time.

Unless you have spent previous lives meditating day and night (eg: like Rob Monroe did in his previous life when he was a monk) you may not trip for many months with this method.

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It might be more beneficial to spread your efforts between hard and easy methods, or as researchers typically suggest to focus all your efforts on the easiest methods first (indirect and lucid dreaming) enter via those quickly and start to experience astral and understand what is what, and only later think about developing the harder methods (obe/phase meditations).

Plus if you become quite adept at lucid dreaming and indirect entry you are basically doing a phasing meditation, in the morning you wake up and within a couple of minutes you consciously phase into the astral. You get kicked out of astral, then you are back in the body, then you simply phase back out again within a minute or so. I once kept doing this over and over just to see how many times I can do it, I don't think there is a limit. I started having 5 trips in a row by simply re-entering as soon as I was back in the physical (enter - explore - kicked out, enter again - explore - kicked out, enter again and so on). And all I use to enter is lucid dreaming and indirect method - I can't enter via a phasing/obe method (at will).

So, make your life much easier and more enjoyable, pick an easier method of entry and start exploring the astral with that first, rather than try to go from the opposite end and experience nothing at all.

I guess this post is more for newbies who want to meet their guide. I understand the more advanced practitioners here have their own techniques and skills already so may not find any use in this post. However it would be nice to get some experience feedback from the practitioners if they observed similar effects or had different experiences.
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Last night I used a trick to meet my guide for the second time now and have a conversation with him.
This is second time I use this trick, both times it worked perfectly (I met my guide and talked with him), i'l include it in my book as well now as it seems to work quite well.

Trick is very simple.

1.Whenever you are "there" (via whatever method be it obe/lucid dream/phase etc), simply look for a person. This is often not difficult as there are usually "people" around. If there are no people then think about people and go thru a wall or a window or any kind of solid thing (it will change the scene to meet the expectation)

2. When you see a person, go to this person and ask them anything (eg: "What's your name?) and listen to their reply. This "person" will either be an independent energy or a projection from your mind. If its an independent energy their reply will usually be quite "original" (eg they will give you an original name or a usual name, or react to you "originally/unusually" (eg start laughing, poke you in the face with a finger, call their friends, anything at all in my experience).

If they are a projection they will give you whatever name you are thinking about at the time or a name very close to what you are thinking or a nonsense answer (eg: "I'm a dhgss") or freeze and not reply at all, and their reaction to you being there is usually very "usual/dull/boring" (they just stand there like a robot, or if they are busy doing something they will keep doing it like a robot while you are talking to them). That's how you can know if they are a projection or an independent energy, to start with.

Although this step is not strictly necessary it's a great way to prepare yourself for the conversation with your guide that is to follow as it sets the intention and prepares the atmosphere.

Here's a practical example from last night:
I see a woman in the corridor.
I understand I can now use her to meet "my guide"
I go up to her and ask her "What is your name?"
She freezes and does not reply at all.
I'm thinking in my mind (looks like a projection)
Next I'm thinking about my guide.
She then replies "I'm Clyde"
I now understand this is a projection not an independent energy (my exact thought when I asked her her name was "my guide" - her reply was "I'm Clyde" - it's just my thoughts answering instead for her, she is my projection, not an independent energy)

Last time i met my guide an independent energy pointed me to him but now here i am standing with a projection. So the "person" may appear to be a projection. However this does not mean you can not "use" them to meet your guide. Common sense would dictate that you can't, but last night I found out you can.

3. What you can do next is even thought this is a projection of your mind, still go ahead and ask her "Where can I meet my guide?". This may or may not change things.

I went ahead and asked this lady that, expecting her to not be able to answer anything (as she is a projection + I'm expecting nothing = usually means the projection will do what i expect, based on my experience of messing about with my projections).

However situation changed dramatically. There I was standing with a 'smirk' on my face thinking I just tricked another one of my projections into some dumb answer, but the woman replied intelligently.

She said "No, I'm not your guide. You can find your guide there (pointing at a door) His name is Armany.)"

Now this is what an independent energy would typically do (give an unexpected "original" response and react in some unexpected way). So now this caught me by surprise, I didn't an expect a projection to suddenly act "wise" and independent like that.

I went, opened the door, and there was my guide. We talked for next few minutes about my current life plans and what I am to do next.

The point of story is a practical one. Although not all "people" you see may be independent energies (some but not all) you can use even a projection to help you find your guide if you ask it (maybe the guide takes over the projection and answers for her, I honestly don't know).

However you can't use projections for other things. I tried to use projections for other purposes in the past but they are like dumb logs of wood, they can't even answer intelligently usually (eg my projections can't even finish 1 sentence without their answer becoming gibberish or they just repeat what I think. Try to seek information about an astral level or energies there from a "person" who can't even put words together coherently in a sentence, it's impossible, one needs independent energies for that)

So, if you are obe/ld/phas-ing, you could meet your guide quite early on if you try and use a technique like this, as it's a very clear technique (the "person" points you where to go, and it's a very easy one to administer (eg you are verbally talking to the guide in "typical language sentences" rather than downloading chapters of information telepathically). So I believe this method is quite a good one for total newbies to obe/ld/phasing etc.

But think in advance what to ask your guide. First time I met my guide I was stunned and didn't know at all what to ask. Last night I spoke to him and again I had only a few questions.

Now I have more questions and tasks to do with him, but that's cos I thought about it for longer and he told me what we need to do next.

Also what you expect to happen is likely will not happen when you meet your guide. I know theory says otherwise but my practice shows this is the case. So drop off all your expectations as much as you can or they will be limiting your experience.

For example, I always thought my guide would be dressed in white robes and look like a white monk and that's how I imagined him, however first time I met him he looked like a simple janitor fixing the problems in the building and he was Latino/Black not white at all. Last night I met him he was a busiessman again not white at all but Indian/Black. I asked him last night if it's all him or if I have different guides, he explained to me that it's him, but he takes different appearances to teach me a diversity lesson (I.e to teach me to be more open minded, just because I'm white I'm expecting a "white" guide, so he appears latino, black and Indian instead - teaching me to transcend skin colour)

So if you are expecting an Angel to show up as your guide, drop your expectations, as your guide may take up the form of a homeless guy covered in own urine instead to teach you a lesson

I hope newbies and practitioners will share experiences here

By the way this forum is amazing!
I have been lurking it for quite some time now quietly in the background and learnt a huge deal, Frank has been an inspiration, Lionheart has been an inspiration, Xanth has been of great guidance, Andrew is a legend for organising and keeping it all together, and everyone else who is involved with this forum - thank you all for this, it is a wonderful resource, very helpful and motivational!

Now that I got bored with lurking, it's time to do the talking...to help me with my 'walking'

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Sorry with all the questions guys, I'm just happy to have found you all : )

So here's another one:

1. What kind of scenarios/scenes do people play through when they are doing their Phase Meditations (i.e. Frank described his scenario in quite detail - I think it was walking on gold sand with white stones, he used the scenario with the F10 tape from Gateway Voyage if I'm not mistaken, thats what I mean in the question).

2. What kinds of 'unexpected' things happened to you in your scenario (if you remember, when you were practicing your phase sessions)?

3. Do you phase out during the scenario practice and literally appear in the scene, or if not then what else happens (i.e. do you phase out and appear in another scene, what kind of scene)?

What techniques do you guys personally use to understand where you are in the astral?

Eg: The only technique I know of is to talk to the first person you see to see if their reply will be intelligible (past F2) or unintelligible (F2), but what other techniques exist?

My entry point is usually via lucid dreams

Hey guys, some questions if you don't mind for those who 'travel'

1. How early/late (i.e. how many trips) in your projection/phasing/obe-ing, did you meet your guide the first time?
2. What did they look like?
3. What was the scene?
4. What was the conversation about?
5. When did you meet them again next time (how many trips later)?
6. How do you meet them now (i.e. what is your method of meeting them)?
7. How regularly do you work with them now (i.e. every trip, once every 10 trips, etc?