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#1
Morning Vibration Activity:



I seem to come to consciousness @ about 8.20 in the morning feeling passive but semi-aware of my surroundings; next,  something peculiar happens, I start to get the vibrations rapidly occurring throughout my mind and body, then a  silent inner drone effect , followed by a spinning feeling in a clockwise direction , I lose conscious vision but am partly awake still.

The spinning sensation seemed to send my conscious perspective round and round ; it reminded me a bit like a merry go round that kids ride on in a park when they are spinning rapidly ever increasing the speed to send them dizzy.

Next, I seem to be rising and flying near my body, but cannot prove this because my vision seems to be minimal. I go in one direction upwards, followed by a sideward motion, very quickly and feel the butterfly effect in my stomach area while doing so. My vision seems thwarted and I can't seem to make out my surroundings and feel like I am inside a wall at this point (half in and half out). I check the urges to move my physical body( as if weighing up paralysis activity )but cannot detect it. My senses of feel seem to kick into play even though I have minimal vision abilities. I remember the technique to make myself appear less dense through mind power to squeeze back out of the wall and come into close proximity of my body.

Next, I aggressively float straight through my bedroom window and seem to be in mid air now, just outside my bedroom window and my vision has come back to me. I see a car parked up across the road about to leave the street , It was a  modern silver looking car, a bit like a Granada , it starts to reverse and backs up and I notice the back lights light up as it reverses ,and it drives away while I watch from outside my front door hovering just above it.

Next, a very peculiar sensation comes over me, I feel like there is someone behind me preventing me from moving anywhere, although I cannot see them, but sense it is a female presence (it might have been reality fluctuations dragging me back to my body because I was to close), every time I move I struggle to bring it into motion, as if this feeling is weighing me down. I fight back frantically to continue moving in my  current state , and do manage to move, but can feel the extra weight of this feeling attached to me from behind , but can never see them, at this point I wake up in my bed and immediately look out my bedroom window to try and spot the silver car, it is not their , but notice track marks in the snow at where a car had left and reversed and left the street.

If I did leave my body and this experience was genuine I wander why I did not feel the vibrations again upon entering the body? (the same as when I disengaged). It seemed like I woke up fully  in a flash from a semi-con state of awareness without feeling vibrations?.
#2
point being :


when improviseing in a style of music like  " funk fusion " or funk& jazz orrientational music " in some cases  "  " while you are improviseing and allowing your mind to drift with playing ability  within random ideas( as in experimenting to find tunes )  , you suddenly become aware that you are " createing tunes ,  you are finding ideas on a instrument , to lock in and remember ,  This process is like useing your imaginitive side to explore  and search and find melodies without prior knoledge or influence by other musicains ideas or songs .

I had this philosphy or idea if you like , that if you are nt playing a tune from what someone else wrote , or from somthing academical that you are reading or being influenced by , then where is it coming from  ,somthing you v tapped in to to get access to the  creativity , to be able to write tunes from nowhere , or dropp melodies that you did nt think   you could of known . It lead me to a metaphysical link ?

Maybe in some cases , its actually possible that the mind  actually links to some type of universal conscuiosness  as like elements in psychic phenomina , mediums , clairvoyants , ect, ect , , certain musicain types links simular when finding tunes on instruments .

Maybe that sounds farr out  to some poeple , but when theorizeing and looking at possibilities , its best to cover all angles .


regards   experimental





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#3
Welcome to Dreams! / Experimentation
December 14, 2004, 15:33:28
weev got the original thread back lol














Hi Guys....something went wrong with the forums when I was trying to reply to your post, Experimental..... I ended up posting about 5 times, then trying to delete them & for some reason the whole thread has disappeared ! I've retrieved the text (below) & hope you guys can post again !! sorry .....

I had a idea last nite that confused me somewhat ...

It was the fact that if you are trying to proove to yourself you have
left your body , through useing a number or a playing card, which was
previously hidden out of site to you from a freind or someone in the
physical . Then if i was in a Lucid dream , then that number or card
may appear wrong to the true physical counterpart ? , because while we
are lucid the expereince is more subjective...

If i m thinking right , then if i m haveing a subjective expereince ,
i have the power to shape shift the dimension i m percieving ( Lucid )
shapeing the enviroment useing my imagination , even if i m unaware of
that at times , so if i suddenly wake up with the dream in mind with
the number or card in my mind , then it should be the wrong number or
card , because the expereince was Lucid ? . Like for example if i
slightly thaught of the number as being " 57 " lets say , then the
number would appear as that number. ( as aposed to the true number )

But if the number matched up to the true physical number when coming
back awake as i remembered it or seen it , it would suggest that i was
percieving objectivly somewhat , which would explain what type of
expereinceing i was haveing , IE : either astral orientated or dream
related ?

I knows it sounds abit confuseing, its head doing lol , but very intersting

Experimental

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bmw

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
Posts: 56
Location: USA
Posted: 11 Dec 2004 06:36 Post subject:

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hmmm... actually I like the idea. I sounds as if it would work.
There's only two potential obstacles I can think of. First, you're
subconscious might clairvoyantyly read the card and put it in your
dream (pretty unlikely, but possible). Second, if you are indeed out
of body, your subconscious might start affecting the real-time zone,
changing the card value you see. Either way, you subconscious might
get in the way of objectivity. On the flipside, however, I would say
that this problem isn't too major unless you're in the real-time zone
for a long time, so all in all you theory should work. Awesome idea!
I'll have to give it a shot.

Cheers,
bmw
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experimental

Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 13
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 11 Dec 2004 07:53 Post subject:

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Hi bmw

I guess after reading roberts first book nearly twice and
experimenting in different states, its projecting my own creative
aspect to experiment within my own ideas, which is great.

My next difficulty in the dream states is identifying or verifying
results against the physical reality" for example the number " or card
identifying , after becomeing lucid a few times it suddenly dawned on
me , that being lucid is subjective, so its possible i could change
the number without knowing through my imagination influencing the
enviroment around me without me being aware of it. If i can stregnthen
my imaginitive state to keep the enviroment " physically real as i can
" then i l know then that the card or number has got to be the same
number or card in the physuical i m percieving .

But if that happens , the questions then raised , what dimension am i
in lol , the real time zone ? or a created Lucid enviroment ? the real
time zone is a reflection of the physical world , so objects are a
reflection of real physical objects, in that case i m in the real time
zone and matching results should proove correct .

If its a dream enviroment , maybe that is possible , that your sub-con
can become clairvoyant and give you the real results to the physical
object your locking on to for all your in a dream , maybe in the
actual dream , it can create a perfect copy of the physical enviroment
your percieving as a temporory enviroment .

I l stop their because it can get abit to deep i think lol

Thanks for your response anyways, i m gonna keep experimenting when i can

experimental ; )

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catmeow

Joined: 11 Apr 2004
Posts: 87
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Yesterday at 04:26 Post subject:

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Hello experimental

My experience of LD'ing is that it does occasionally yield information
which is a refelection of the physical, although this is the exception
rather than the rule. And I believe this is due to (very) heightened
ESP ability during dreams.

But I do have a problem with reading during LD. I don't mean I can't
read, I can read very easily, it's just that every time I look back at
the thing I just read, I see different words!

So if I was reading a number, every time I looked, the number would
change! I haven't tried this with playing cards, perhaps these might
be more stable. I suspect this "property" of LD'ing (ie everytime you
read something the words change) can be a useful method of
distinguishing LD from OBE.

I've posted about this before and would be really interested to hear
other people's experience of reading in LD.

I must put a playing card out tonight on top of the wardrobe!

catmeow
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Magamba

Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Posts: 12
Location: USA
Posted: Today at 10:49 Post subject:

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I have been experimenting with this for a while now. Each time I find
myself in the so called RTZ to look at the card there are reality
fluctuations and I am never sure if it is a lucid dream or OBE.
Regardless, I am able to guess correctly. My instincts tell me that
there is dimensional overlap and possibly that I am not actually
reading the card but accessing the information psychically. For
instance, there were other cards and objects there that were not
really there. (Possibly fingerprints from another time?) I did not
know which card to look at and then I noticed there was a box. Inside
this box was only one card so I figured that this must be it. It was
as if I just knew how to sift through the other stuff. Before reading
the card, you must consciously blank your mind from any expectations
and glace at it quickly or it will start to change according to what
you expect to see. Also, there can be metaphors that your unconscious
sets up. Another time there was no card at all but there was a note
that said, " Happy birthday Giza". BTW, Giza is the name of my dog. I
did not understand this at first but upon checking the card, it made
sense that it was a 5 and my dog is 5 years old. My next experiment is
to materialize the card in a lucid dream from wherever I am rather
than trying to go to the card location. If this works that would mean
that I am accessing the info from some sort of universal
conscienceness.
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experimental

Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 13
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Today at 19:34 Post subject:

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yeah i like that idea, very intersting , make the object materialize
instead of searching for it at the location . That would be great if
you could make that happen , but you d still have to verify the
results with the physical counterpart to see wether or not it was the
true perception you were locking on to .

And that point about " other things or objects part of a different
time lingering in the imediate atmosphire of the dimension your
percieving is a nice possibility to , maybe thats a logical idea,
because if everything is reflected into the real time zones from the
physical, then even objects that have died out in physical time may
still have left their essence in that identical space .

I m still struggling to make a lucid expereince consistant delibritly
, but when i do become aware ( generly when i start levatateing in a
dream ) , i m experimenting still with checking out the level of
reality to the enviroment i m percieving

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tombodenmann

Joined: 15 Jul 2003
Posts: 194
Location: Switzerland
Posted: Today at 21:00 Post subject:

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@Magamba "For instance, there were other cards and objects there that
were not really there. (Possibly fingerprints from another time?) I
did not know which card to look at and then I noticed there was a box.
Inside this box was only one card so I figured that this must be it.
It was as if I just knew how to sift through the other stuff"

Very Interesting !So you guessed the right card then? Do you usually
get it right or not?

@catmeow

I experience the same, words and numbers always mutate inside my lucid
dreams (which is very wired, since the mind knows they shouldn't, if
it is a subjectiv reality why does the mind not create it like it
thinks it should be?)
I really wonder if Numbers and Writings are supposed to be stable
inside OBE's has anybody verified this?
I once did a experiment with an other Projector from Brazil, I tried
to guess the name of his mother. I decided to look at a wall inside
the dream while aiming for the name I first saw the name "Berta" I
think which latter turned out to be the name of his oldest sister
which was about 45 years old. Then the word changed into Belta, Beate,
Belte etc

Anyways one other lucid dreamer told me that he learned to read
correctly inside dreams and sometimes reads books there!

confusing stuff!
Cheers Tom


Clandestino :
great point, experimental.... does a failed card experiment simply
mean you were experiencing a lucid dream ?!!

I'd like to throw in one more point.....does the fact that you
correctly identified a card, prove that you actually physically
left your body ?! hmmmm.....

kind regards, Confused

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#4
Welcome to Dreams! / another idea
December 14, 2004, 09:22:44
I had another idea this morning lol




It was the fact that when a ghost  is in a physical space of someone with a video camera , sometimes suposedly " orbs  " are caught on camera  passing randomly on the screen , i m unsure to the level of " truth "  there is in this , meaning " orbs  being  spirits or energys on a higher dimension  coming into our physical space and then being captured on video footage " ,

But imagine as a experiment , trying to slip into a lucid dream delibritly or make a  " conscious exit " out of body, then go and stand infront of a webcam recording on a computer, and try and make yourself appear or materialize  while the webcam is recording in the physical ?  lol  

I know it sounds crazy , but i wander if anyone has tried this experiment b4 ?


experimental

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#5
Welcome to Dreams! / awareness whilst Lucid
December 12, 2004, 12:01:44
awareness whilst Lucid




It seems imperitive  that expereinces within some forms of dreams ,that  brings the dreamer to awareness makes me question the level of reality of it , but determining what type of enviroment we are percieving takes abit more curiosity , because for starters , "can a dream create a perfect copy of the physical space you are dreaming in easily " ? , to make the dreamer think their could be in the real time zone instead of a created dream version of it.

A tell tale expereince i had the other nite  pointed in this direction . The fact that i suddenly woke up and thaught i was awake, but  surpriseingly found out i was hovering instead of walking towards a door ,it seemed to kick in a  concsious intervension that had never happened b4 this way . It told me that if i was in the real time zone projected out of body, then " the level of reality in the physical aspect should not have changed thus appearing objective ( the enviroment ) , and that if anything seemed out of place or odd  to the physical aspect ( as in objects )  then that told me i was flying in a dream instead .

Well ... when i was hovering above the bed , everything looked spot on in place ,  the bed and the walls and carpet and the  door and colours , includeing my partner , which suggested i was in the real time zone   ... but 1 thing i noticed that made me question the level of reality, and that was the fact that " my quilt rose up and hovered wrapped around me aswell as the same time i was hovering . Because i thaught  "if this was the real time zones, i would of just  slotted inbetween the quilt and rose up above it instead ".

This pointed to the fact that  my sub-con had tempororaly created the quilt still in the same place ( thus makeing me question that i was in a dream ) instead of being in the real time zones .  If i m thinking correct, the real time zone appears  solid to that aspect and objects cant be effected or the use of the imagination cant effect the real time zones aspects ( dimensional objects  )  ?

Feelings of flying or becoming conscuiosly aware that you are " flying " while a dream is occuring , is suggesting your Lucid , or getting mixed cross fire of a projection expereince mixed in with a dream awareness at the same time maybe .


Regards experimental

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#6
Hi everyone


I was just wandering like everything else in reality checking , you do it to bring on a  awareness in the dream states .

I was just thinking that when i fly in my dreams it seems to autimatically bring me to parcail conscious , as if the flying aspect  is a trigger to bring me aware . The flying feels that good or the levatateing , that its implanted the desire in my conscuios mind that much that i barely miss a flying expereince when it occurs .

The problem seems to be with me anyways , is delibritly bringing that flight dream on , i struggle to make a dream like this occur , it seems that their only happen when there feel like it , but when it does happen , it makes sure most of the time that i get some conscuios intervention within the expereince


experimental ; )
#7
Welcome to Dreams! / Lucidity experiment
December 10, 2004, 10:06:28
I had a idea last nite that confused me somewhat ...

It was the fact that if you are trying to  proove to yourself you have   left your body , through useing a number or a  playing card, which was previously hidden out of site to you from a freind or someone in the physical . Then if i was in a Lucid dream , then that number or card may appear wrong to the true physical counterpart ?  , because while we are lucid the expereince is more subjective...

If i m thinking right , then if i m haveing a subjective expereince , i have the power to shape shift the dimension i m percieving  ( Lucid )   shapeing the enviroment useing my imagination , even if i m unaware of that at times , so if i suddenly wake up with the dream in mind  with the number or card in my mind , then it should be the wrong number or card , because the expereince was Lucid ? .  Like for example if i slightly thaught of the number as being " 57 " lets say , then the number would appear as that number. ( as aposed to the true number )

But if the number  matched up  to the true physical number when coming back awake as i remembered it or seen it , it would suggest that i was percieving objectivly  somewhat  , which would explain what type of expereinceing i was haveing , IE : either  astral orientated or dream related ?

I knows it sounds abit confuseing, its head doing lol , but very intersting


Experimental  

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#8
Welcome to Dreams! / false Awakenings
December 09, 2004, 17:31:07
8th dec 2004

I had a mad expereince last night . I was lieing in bed struggling to fall asleep , i went into a semi-con state twice , but woke up twice and new i was awake , but the third time i woke up  i was still in a dream . In the dream everything looked normal in the room, nothing had changed  and everything looked very solid and physical , just like the last 2 occations i awoke up b4 it , it seemed exactly the same , so i thaught nothing of it until i tried to get up and moove to get a drink from the kitchen ,

Suddenly instead of mooveing towards standing upright and walking , i started hovering above the bed, and i started to float with the quilt still covering me towards the bedroom door, i  started laughing and was getting exited , at this point it dawned on me i had became lucid or was takeing some form of control of this particular dream, it was as if i used the flying ability to acknoledge i was in a dream ,

Thats the first time i had a expereince like this b4 a ( false awakening ) , it was awesome , i just wander what i done to bring this effect on , because i had nt planned it to happen ,

The only way i thaught this was possible, as  if i intented to dream of being in a awake state in the here and now just lieing in bed trying to sleep, and also its as if the flying element in a dream  acts as a trigger to remind my concsuios mind " yes i m now dreaming and expereinceing it "

Has anyone had a simular experience ?

Regards Experimental

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